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Postby Union Princes » Mon Mar 28, 2022 7:47 pm

How does Anglois feel China and National Socialism spreading into South East Asia?
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Postby Hypron » Mon Mar 28, 2022 7:49 pm

Union Princes wrote:How does Anglois feel China and National Socialism spreading into South East Asia?

Don't bother Singapore and Malaysia, and I don't care. I have no concerns in the Far East besides the Indian Ocean Triangle, which Singapore is key to, which means I need to keep Malaysia in the Commonwealth (as their history hasn't been changed yet.)
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Postby Kenobot » Mon Mar 28, 2022 7:59 pm

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Kenobot wrote:We don't have a government in exile but can we have a Rapid Reaction Division :unsure:

Overthrow your current Commie gov't, survive long enough, and you'll hear the roar of transports above.

That shouldn't be a problem given Poland's history with the Russians. Just hope things don't go nuclear
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Postby Chedastan » Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:29 pm

Hypron wrote:
Kenobot wrote:We don't have a government in exile but can we have a Rapid Reaction Division :unsure:

Overthrow your current Commie gov't, survive long enough, and you'll hear the roar of transports above.

His Majesty's Most Loyal Airborne Brigade moment.
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Postby Hypron » Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:32 pm

Chedastan wrote:
Hypron wrote:Overthrow your current Commie gov't, survive long enough, and you'll hear the roar of transports above.

His Majesty's Most Loyal Airborne Brigade moment.

Nah, I'll just send in the Welsh division.

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Postby Chedastan » Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:43 pm

Hypron wrote:
Chedastan wrote:His Majesty's Most Loyal Airborne Brigade moment.

Nah, I'll just send in the Welsh division.

I mean fair, I'm just thinking of the Romanian expatriates who would want to join in on the ensuing chaos :p
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Nationstates Name - Shohun
Nation Name - Empire of Japan
Capital - Tokyo
Type of Government - Unitary Parliamentary Semi-constitutional Monarchy
Ideological Leanings - Japanese Militarism
Party in Power - Rikken Seiyūkai (Association of Friends of Constitutional Government)
Head of State - Emperor Naruhito
Image of HoS - Emperor
Executive Title - Emperor of Japan
Head of Government - Prime Minister Shinzo Abe
Image of HoG - Prime Minister
Executive Title - Minister of the Comprehensive Administration of the Cabinet of the State of Japan
Flag - The Hinomaru

Total Population - 225,860,290 (Includes Republic of Chōsen [Korea])
Demographics - In homeland Japan, the population is mostly native Japanese at 96.1% of the country. The other groups include 1.5% Taiwanese, 1.1% Korean, and 1.3% other, including mainland Chinese, Russians, and others. However Korea is mostly Korean, with 85% of the country being native Korean, 12% Japanese, 2% Chinese/Taiwanese, and 1% Other. Combined however, Japanese only make up 64% of the population, making them the majority compared to 33% of the Empire being Korean.

Military Branches - The Imperial Japanese Army, Imperial Japanese Navy, Imperial Japanese Air Corps, and Imperial Japanese Strategic Force make up the imperial Japanese Armed Forces, while the Republic of Chōsen Armed Forces consists of the RoC Army, the RoC Navy, the RoC Air Force, The RoC Territorial Forces and the RoC Republican Guard.
Total military size - The Imperial Armed Forces consists of 620,000 active and 600,000 in reserve soldiers, while the Republic of Chōsen Armed Forces consists of 250,000 active and 900,000 reserve troops.
Breakdown of Ground Sector -IJA: 420,000 active / 500,000 reserve

3,300 Tanks
35,500 Armored Vehicles
750 SPG
2,280 Towed Artillery
1,400 MRLS
900 SAM Systems
750 ASM Systems
700 Transport/Attack Helicopters

The Imperial Japanese Army is largely an all professional force, with all active personnel being volunteer troops. Its units are deployed across the Empire to protect strategic locations, with a sizable portion deployed to Korea to fight insurgents and protect against Chinese aggression. The Imperial Army is structured in an Army - Division - Brigade format, following the tradition of flexible, independent command by junior officers. The Imperial Army has three main Army Groups in charge of the defense of the Empire: the Home Army Group responsible for the main islands, the Northern Army Group, responsible for the defense of Karafuto and the Kuril, as well as the Chōsen Army Group. The most elite forces of the IJA are the Imperial Guard, the Teishin Shudan (paratroopers), and the feared Kenpeitai (military police).

RoCA: 150,000 active / 90,000 reserve
RoCTF: 800,000 reserve
RoCRG: 10,000 active

1,900 Tanks
12,000 Armored Vehicles
250 SPG
6,000 Towed Artillery
200 MRLS
50 SAM Systems
500 Transport/Attack Helicopters

The Republic of Chōsen relies more heavily on conscription to fill its ranks as opposed to the IJA, but still a significant number of Koreans are volunteer troops. The Army and Republican Guard are all volunteer forces, while the Territorial Forces tend to be poorly trained reservists or veterans. Most Korean units serve under the command of Japanese commanders or advisors, but a level of autonomy is permitted among smaller units. Nowadays many Koreans are willing to join up, at least serve in the reserves all for the economic and social benefits that comes with service. While elements of the military experience significant corruption, ever since the 2012 reforms some young Koreans feel the incentive to join up, based on the higher pay than numerous industries, the social status given to the soldiers, and access to higher education.

Yet the Army and Territorial Forces lag far behind most modern militaries. The Korean military is primarily provided with old Japanese equipment, due to Japanese distrust of Korean capability and loyalty. Training is limited due to the very same distrust, with Japanese commanders careful to ensure that Korean military personnel will not be able to rise up against their colonial masters. Only the most loyal Koreans serve in the elite Republican Guard, which reports directly to the Japanese Advisory Resident-General of Korea. The Republican Guard is given the best Japanese equipment and is trained by the Japanese Imperial Guard.

Breakdown of Naval Sector - IJN: 100,000 active personnel / 50,000 reserve

2 Aircraft Carriers
4 Light Aircraft Carriers
1 Battleship
10 Cruisers
60 Destroyers
20 Frigates
6 Destroyer Escorts
30 Minesweepers
350 Patrol Ships
1 Ballistic Missile Submarine
22 Attack Submarines
10 Amphibious Warfare Ships
Numerous Auxiliary and Support Ships
501 Aircraft
145 Helicopters

In the wake of the Second World War, the Imperial Navy went suffered and thrived through differing phases of Japanese politics. But now in modern day, the focus has been shifting towards a more defensive nature. While a very formidable force, the Imperial Navy's primary job is to defend the home islands from attack. With attitudes shifting, the military and political establishments have decreased expansionist ideas towards more of a deterrence, as well as putting a focus on China. Since most Japanese territories are close enough to protect from ground-based missiles or from land-based aircraft, the Imperial Navy has increased its air power and ground systems over the years, decreasing reliance on aircraft carriers and retiring several. The main duties of the Imperial Navy also include coast guard duties, given that there is no coast guard in Japan.

But the pride of the fleet will continue to be the nuclear-power battleship Kōkoku. Built in 1974, the ship is old, but a symbol of the Empire's power on the world stage. Despite being considered obsolete, the ship has been completely modernized, prized for its massive 50 cm guns and hundreds of missile cells. The ship is well suited for supporting against insurgent conflicts in Korea and would dominate in a close-combat skirmish, but mostly is the symbol of Japanese military might that citizens flock to see.

The Imperial Navy does include the Special Naval Landing Forces, the Japanese equivalent of marines. There are 5 main units of the SNLF, which operate a number of the Navy's ASM and SAM batteries as well as serving as shock troops for naval assaults. 3 of the Yokosuka SNLF Brigades are trained as paratroopers, forming an elite unit of paratrooper-marines.

RoCN: 50,000 active

1 Light Aircraft Carrier
2 Destroyers
20 Corvettes
30 Missile Ships
20 Minesweepers
220 Patrol Ships
2 Attack Submarines
Numerous Auxiliary and Support Ships
170 Aircraft
125 Helicopters

The Korean Navy is more of a heavily armed coast guard than anything else. Despite operating an older light aircraft carrier, the IJN has refused to provide its carrier aircraft to the Korean Navy, rendering it effectively just a helicopter carrier. Otherwise the Korean fleet consists of older Japanese models, the exception being several newer missile boats built specifically for the Korean Navy. It's main duties are patrolling the Yalu River and its territorial waters.

The Korean Navy does not have a dedicated marine unit, however one of Japan's SNLF units is stationed in Korea. However it does possess several small units responsible for manning the limited number of ASM and SAM batteries at Korean bases.

Breakdown of Airforce Sector - IJAC: 70,000 active / 50,000 reserve

820 Combat Jets
120 Strategic Bombers
190 Transports
425 Trainers
30 AWACs
1 Reconnaissance
5 Electronic Warfare
164 Patrol Aircraft
17 Tankers
170 Transport/Utility Helicopters
Hundreds of Drones
30 SAM Systems

RoCAF: 40,000 active / 10,000 reserve

170 Combat Jets
120 Transports
300 Trainers
20 Reconnaissance
120 Patrol Aircraft
1 Tanker
220 Utility Helicopters
Hundreds of Drones

The Korean Air Force is largely made up of older Japanese planes. However, it does possess a large number of old aircraft that have been left in storage, under the Japanese belief that the older planes either operated autonomously or with a Korean pilot could be used as cannon fodder for enemy SAMs in the event of conflict.

Major foreign military suppliers [If Applicable] - The Empire largely has its own military industry, however in recent years has expressed willingness to purchase Soviet, Columbian, and European weapons.
Extra military information - Another branch that operates separate from the rest of the military is the Imperial Japanese Strategic Force which consists of 30,000 active personnel. These units are responsible for the Empire's ballistic and cruise missile arsenals outside of that belonging to the other branches. A large number of SF bases are in Korea, due to the advantageous location for launching strikes on Japan's primary adversary; China. This is used as a military deterrence factor, something the Empire has relied upon by building thousands of conventional ballistic missiles instead of a nuclear arsenal like other states.
GDP - 5.3 Trillion USD
Currency - Japanese Yen and Korean Yen
Major import/export partners - Columbia, USSR, India, Philippines, Australasia, and some of the Middle East and South America

Public Goals - Build up economic growth / secure Pacific trading routes / counter Chinese influence / improve relations with the West and USSR / unite Asia as brotherly nations / maintain security in Korea
Private Goals - Maintain domination over Korea, suppress dissident, and expand trading ports in the Pacific
Major Domestic Issues - Economic disparity, government corruption, Korean dissident, declining Japanese population and birthrate, and political infighting.
Major Foreign Issues - Territorial disputes with China and issues with the Pacific countries.

History -

The oldest Empire in the world starting with Emperor Jimmu's reign, leaders in the early 20th century sought to expand across Asia. Winning war after war over three decades, Imperial forces were confident when they invaded Manchuria in 1932, and later mainland China. As resistance mounted, the Empire saw its chance to gain necessary resources when Europe fell into conflict, taking the opportunity to seize European and Columbian possessions across the Pacific. But attacking Columbia proved Japan's fatal mistake. Being pushed back in China due to Columbian support for the Chinese, and losing naval battle after another, by 1944 things were becoming desperate. Yet the militarists demanded to to continue on the fight and so the Empire continued its war. The Army and Navy pushed its resources in fighting costly battles with the Columbians, wearing them down in one battle after another. Whole units of Japanese forces were destroyed to defend a small island, but in doing so cost the Columbians dearly. Over the months Japanese forces were being built up in Kyushu, swelling to 2 million personnel. Despite having to pull forces from China and Taiwan, it was considered to be of the greatest importance that the home islands did not fall. In January of 1944 the Army slogan had become: "The sooner the Columbians come, the better...One hundred million die proudly," a display of the confidence of Japanese military leadership that they could defend Japan.

By the time of the invasion of Kyushu by Columbian forces in 1944, the Army and Navy had devised Operation Ketsu-go, for the first time stressing inter-service coordination and unity of command. With Columbian transports approaching Japanese shores, the Navy sought to eliminate them before they ever got to shore, sending waves of hundreds of Kamikaze aircraft, boats, and midget subs into battle. As Columbians descended on Japanese positions, Army forces fought fiercely for their nation. So despite the horrific casualties on the Japanese side, the Columbian public at home could not accept the casualties they were suffering, and they called for peace. In the Treaty of Bangkok on November 21st, 1944, peace in Asia was finally achieved. Despite losing many of its wartime gains, the Empire had settled the war on comparatively favorable terms, managing to keep Korea and its territories in Karafuto.

All of Japan rejoiced as the Emperor read a victory speech over the radio, a rare momentous occasion for the Japanese people. The public was not told of the cost of the war besides the obvious losses and many militarists were left confused and angry at the concessions they were forced into. But this was all drowned out by the call to rebuild. Divisions simmered beneath the surface among the political parties, but they were all united in the effort to rebuild the nation. While differing in their reasons, the militarists wanting to expand again while the left sought peace, the Imperial Rule Assistance Association continued for 5 more years.

It was not until 1949 that the Imperial Rule Assistance Association was disbanded, with political parties no longer united by war or rebuilding. But slowly and steadily Japan rebuilt itself, its cities, its economy, and culture. In this time the military fell into a period of neglect, with all funding going towards rebuilding the country. But that did not last for long. When open resistance in Korea began to grow, combined with a rising China, the powerful USSR, and Columbia, the Empire soon had no choice but to begin rearmament. By 1953 it had fought a short and brutal war with Korean resistance, nearly wiping out the entire resistance in the south. The first nuclear test in 1955 was the wake-up call though, and while Japanese leaders were too slow to develop a program of their own, the Empire developed a policy of using its chemical and biological weapons as its deterrence capability.

Across the Empire the first steps at reform were made in 1957, to quell Korean and leftist dissent by ending the Kenpeitai police powers over civilians, scaling back political prosecutions, expanding elementary education in Korea, stepping up investment in Korea and Karafuto, as well as increasing autonomy of local government in Korea. Laws were passed to increase domestic food and rare material production, so the Empire would be less reliant on foreign supplies and colonies, while the Empire began to reach out to other countries. In 1958 the Empire under Prime Minister Nobusuke Kishi began an extensive program of diplomacy, reaching out to the Soviet Union, the West, the Middle East, South America, and other Pacific states to normalize relations, increase or reestablish trade, and increase cooperation. The Empire also began an extensive program of industrialization in South Korea and South Karafuto, as a measure to increase both jobs and economic output.

In 1959 the Empire formally created the Imperial Air Corps, forming a branch distinct of the Army and Navy for the first time. The same year, despite being still a member of the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere, Kishi came out with a plan for an Asian Development Fund, calling for the investment of millions of yen into Southeast Asia. While meeting only limited success, Kishi pushed forwards with plans to improve relations in Southeast Asia by making a deal with Indonesia and several Asian countries for Japan to payout its war reparations. Under Kishi, who was one of the most pro-Columbian figures in Japanese politics of the time, Japan sought to increase trade with Columbia, as well as cooperation against China. The same year Kishi approved the first set of funding for the 'Tsushima Tunnel' an expensive project to build a tunnel to connect Japan and Korea. Further rail lines were also funded for construction throughout the north and Korea, meant to provide jobs and speed transportation in the country.

The following years would be more quiet for the country. Despite militarist rhetoric, the nation was content with peace. Japan would have to stand and protect its interests in Asia, but in this time the Empire had developed a policy of deterrence. By 1967 the Empire founded the Imperial Japanese Strategic Force, a special branch of the military dedicated to Japanese WMD deterrence weapons and ballistic missiles. The same year the nation built its first civilian nuclear reactor to provide energy for Japan, allowing it to decrease reliance on oil and coal imports. By this time things were ramping up once again in Asia with the Sino-Soviet split in 1966. Sensing an opportunity to gain favor with the Soviets, when China invaded Vietnam a few years later, Japan was quick to provide economic and humanitarian assistance to the country. While not much, and also strongly opposed to communism, Japan saw every victory against China as a victory for Japan.

In 1970 Japan conducted its first successful satellite launch, marking a significant technological development for the country. In following years, the space program would launch dozens more satellites, cumulating in the secret development of Japanese ICBMs. In 1974 the pride of the Japanese navy was completed, the first Japanese battleship built in decades. Despite being obsolete long ago, the ship was built to stir up patriotism among the population, and showcase Japanese navy might. Not to mention it provided a significant platform for Japanese missiles and large artillery, making it useful in bombardments against Korean resistance fighters.

Due to increasing calls within Korea, in 1980 Korea was declared to be officially "independent" from Japan as the Republic of Chōsen. While still being under a puppet government and Japanese military control, the step satisfied many in Korea for the time being. The same year the country was given its own military, with a focus on defending from Chinese or Soviet aggression. Due to successful propaganda efforts, many in the industrialized south would come to favor Japanese rule over communism, growing successful business under Japanese control. While the north remained unruly, a sort of real autonomy was beginning to take place on a local level in southern Korea.

In 1982 after years of delay the Tsushima Tunnel project was finally completed, allowing a road and railway between the two countries. Such would provide great economic benefits domestically, cutting shipping costs by 30%. In this time, Japan also began to increase its energy supply as well, increasing oil drilling off Takeshima and Karafuto. As it prospered in peace, Japan steadily grew into a formidable nation once again, both economically and militarily. Boosting relations with Middle Eastern countries, Japan sought to increase its influence in the region. Sending diplomats and offering investment, efforts were made to make new allies. If Japan could not have its GEACPS, it would find allies elsewhere in the world.

By 2006, the Rikken Seiyūkai had the government firmly in its grasp, and Prime Minister Abe was elected for his first term in office. Under his administration, a new naval program was created, to replace aging Japanese carriers and other ships. The same year the two Hyūga-class light carriers were built, followed by two Izumo-class light carriers planned to begin construction in 2010 and two Amatsukaze-class carriers planned for 2014. The military was being built up, and investment into the Korean Armed Forces followed. Despite losing control in 2007, Abe regained power in 2012, embarking on new reform. Despite being considered a hardliner, Abe brought new reforms in the Empire, changing conscription laws to be more fair for the poor and minorities, pushing against corruption, and allowing more Koreans into Japanese higher education. The same year the first colleges in decades were built in Korea for poorer students, and the IJA opened for more Korean servicemembers, as well as increasing economic incentives for service.

By 2017 new economic aid packages were given for the northern portion of Korea to quell dissident. Things had come increasingly calm up until the 2019 abdication of Emperor Akihito. With the new Emperor Naruhito in power, Japan now steps out more ambitious than ever to secure its economic and political position in the world. In recent months the Emperor has openly said, "While the Soviet Union and Japan are on two different sides of the political spectrum, we are neighbor countries. If the Soviets do not press their politics on us, if they do not seek to use us as a pawn, we are very open to increasing economic and security collaboration with the Soviet Union. The same goes for the West. Containment of China must be our number one policy if we are to have lasting peace in the Orient." So now the question is asked; What will happen under the new leadership? Continued peace, or new expansion, both economically and militarily?
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Postby Union Princes » Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:14 pm

Japan doesnt have Korea anymore or Taiwan nor have any holding on mainland China. The Co Prosperity Sphere is literally reduced to Japan itself
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Postby Shohun » Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:30 pm

Union Princes wrote:Japan doesnt have Korea anymore or Taiwan nor have any holding on mainland China. The Co Prosperity Sphere is literally reduced to Japan itself


I believe the OP expressed that he wanted Japan to retain Korea, but correct me if I'm wrong.

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I like it, lots of good work there UP but as I said, there's alot to unpack here too. I'd be willing to go with some of the changes to the established lore, I would be willing to have the Protected Republic of China not exist, so Dailan, Quingdao and Taiwan would be Chinese, as well as Hong Kong (Suuuure you're all right with that Hypron???). Tibet would be a nominally independent state, but safely in the SCO and given China's large economic and political influence would functionally more or less be a Chinese province. Spontaneously I'd like Korea to remain as it is, being the only other member of the GEACPS if we go with the Protected Republic never existing, lots of potential for shenanigans. I would appreciate something on the Vietnam War as well, as part of the Sino-Soviet Split and perhaps leading to Dai Li making the decision to modernize China in it's wake leading to the massive economic boom later.

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Postby Union Princes » Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:35 pm

Except that makes no sense for Korea to remain in the Japanese Sphere post-WWII when it clearly lost the Pacific War. Even in your post, you've written that you stripped all overseas colonies of garrisons to reinforce the home islands. Can you make the argument that the KMT, after liberating Manchuria and having the military support of the USSR, will not just march down south into Japanese-held Korea when it's clearly open for invasion?

Japan from 1944 to 45 has no navy, industry, or army strong enough to mount a counterattack against China if they choose to march into the Korean Peninsula. Despite the destructive war, the KMT is unified enough to have just the right amount of steam to force Japan to dismantle its empire.
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Postby Shohun » Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:45 pm

Union Princes wrote:Except that makes no sense for Korea to remain in the Japanese Sphere post-WWII when it clearly lost the Pacific War. Even in your post, you've written that you stripped all overseas colonies of garrisons to reinforce the home islands. Can you make the argument that the KMT, after liberating Manchuria and having the military support of the USSR, will not just march down south into Japanese-held Korea when it's clearly open for invasion?

Japan from 1944 to 45 has no navy, industry, or army strong enough to mount a counterattack against China if they choose to march into the Korean Peninsula. Despite the destructive war, the KMT is unified enough to have just the right amount of steam to force Japan to dismantle its empire.


I'm just going with what the OP said. As I envision it, if we go off WW2 numbers Japan had around 6 million troops by the end of the war, of which 4 million were in Japan, hundreds of thousands in Taiwan, and many still in Korea. Since the USSR isn't directly intervening, Japan has hundreds of thousands of troops still in Manchuria left as well. So even with significant Chinese advances, Japan would be able to muster at least a million troops in Korea to defend it. Chinese troops would have to cross the Yalu, which wouldn't be exactly easy either. Possibly an urge to end the war and other factors would play into it as well. Maybe trading Korea for Taiwan and the other islands Japan had taken. I don't know.

But if you want to make that argument, that is fine by me. I am willing to trade Taiwan, Hainan, and the Kinmen for Korea, since it would be very difficult for China to mount a naval invasion of them if they drew the war out.

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Postby Union Princes » Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:48 pm

Yeah no, Korea will have to be liberated and is under Chinese influence. I had written that it was the threat of the Soviet Union intervening on behalf of China that forced Japan to surrender all occupied territory back to China and for the independence of Korea.
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Postby Shohun » Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:55 pm

Union Princes wrote:Yeah no, Korea will have to be liberated and is under Chinese influence. I had written that it was the threat of the Soviet Union intervening on behalf of China that forced Japan to surrender all occupied territory back to China and for the independence of Korea.

I think I will wait for the OP decision, since I am pretty sure he as the USSR in his lore did not demand the independence of Korea. If we go by the premise and his lore, then China invading Korea would be its own war, distinct from WW2.

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Is any country in particular needed? I was looking at Cape, but I don’t know if I’ll have much to do there.
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Postby Chewion » Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:21 am

Rodez wrote:Is any country in particular needed? I was looking at Cape, but I don’t know if I’ll have much to do there.

I think India might add some spice. Or Indonesia.
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Can I reserve India?
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Postby Rodez » Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:39 am

Chewion wrote:
Rodez wrote:Is any country in particular needed? I was looking at Cape, but I don’t know if I’ll have much to do there.

I think India might add some spice. Or Indonesia.

India appears unaligned so that could be interesting, yeah. What’s a modern RP without an Indo-Paki war?

But then I also have some fun ideas for what to do with Cape. I’ll have to think on that, but consider this a reservation for the Cape Republic for the time being.
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Postby Kenobot » Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:40 am

Rodez wrote:Is any country in particular needed? I was looking at Cape, but I don’t know if I’ll have much to do there.

Czechoslovakia and Hungary are in need of a player if that is something you'd be keen for. Lots of action happening in Eastern Europe. Otherwise for a more mild experience there's always Ireland, Scotland, Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines. Occitaine is another weird potentially interesting one
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Postby Rodez » Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:52 am

Kenobot wrote:
Rodez wrote:Is any country in particular needed? I was looking at Cape, but I don’t know if I’ll have much to do there.

Czechoslovakia and Hungary are in need of a player if that is something you'd be keen for. Lots of action happening in Eastern Europe. Otherwise for a more mild experience there's always Ireland, Scotland, Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines. Occitaine is another weird potentially interesting one

Oh I forgot about Hungary - it looks like they’re stuck out there as the eastern vanguard for the EC, sandwiched between communist Serbia, Czechoslovakia and Romania. That could be very exciting indeed. And so many poor Hungarians stuck behind their borders! They’d probably need to have Israeli or South Korean tier mobilization, just out of necessity.
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Postby The National Dominion of Hungary » Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:17 am

Damn, I get up and there's three new pages, aren't you guys productive :D

Hypron wrote:Yay, I'm now seeing the Entente Cordiale having an Anglois faction and a European faction. They're not hostile with each other, but the Entente seems to be divided in half between Anglois and its former Empire and the remaining states.


That's what I had in mind sort of, the Entente is strong economically and militarily, but the challenge comes in managing the three major members and their interests, with the Anglois focused on their former colonies and reaping the economic benefits they have in Africa and Asia, Italy which is focused on the Mediterranean while Germany looks eastward, either to defend it's remaining eastern territories or perhaps looking for an opportunity to retake what was lost in the Second Great War to reincorporate Bohemia and parts of Poland should the Comintern go through a phase of unrest if going on a more revanchist path, after all, it took the Germans until the 90's to fully recognize the Polish-German borders IRL. Tough that up to the German player.

Hypron wrote:I just thought of 2 more things:

1. Is the Dai Nippon Teikoku still ruled by the Taisei Yokusankai, or has their government changed in the 60+ years since the end of the Second World War?

2. Was the Anglois contribution to the Pacific War larger due to not having to fight a naval war in the Atlantic?


1: Up to the Japan player :)

2: Hmmm, I didn't mention much on Anglois involvement in the Pacific War as I figured the Japanese wanted to make sure Colombia stays out, not attacking any European possessions before that.

Chewion wrote:
Awesome! I can remake it as a Kingdom, I was mainly going for empire due to other kings and the fact that it’s a multi-ethnic state.


Good good! Kingdoms can be diverse too. :)

Danceria wrote:A few questions for the creation of the app of Iberia:

1) was there any French Revolution/Napoleon analogues?

2) Any former colonies of Iberia have some history you want to discuss with me?

4) How involved is the current Comintern in influencing other socialist parties in senovereign nations?

4) what the hell is an austerity crisis and why is 40% of my youth population unemployed aaa


1: Ask Hypron :)

2: None apped for currently.

3: I bet representatives of worldwide socialist parties attend the bi-annual Internationale and that the USSR does endorse at least some of them.

Chedastan wrote:Now to plot for 89' Revolution Part Deux, 30 whole years in the making.



Y'know curiously, and I always kept forgetting this until I play as Romania, but Romania do be having a domestic arms manufacturing industry going on. The TR-85 deserving special mention, though I have no clue how capable they would really be in the current year, considering they're based on T-55s, a rather antiquated platform at this point. On the plus side they fire sabot so that's something.


Yeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaah :p

Honghai wrote:Sweet lord


While I do appreciate creativity, this too out there. Gonna have to deny.

Kenobot wrote:Hmmm would a hypothetical Yugoslavia, Finland, Bulgaria or Hungary join up I wonder…
But would probably make more sense for us to seek the Entente’s protection, but more specifically the Anglois


Hmm, Hungary is already part of the EC, they would probably simply look for signs of weakness to press for Transsylvania and Southern Slovakia while Finland, at least in the IRL cold war pursued armed neutrality.

Bulgaria... possibly, if the regime falls, otherwise it would probably aid if the Comintern is forced to intervene in Romania again.

Chedastan wrote:... it would heavily hinge on what the Soviets would do in response to mass revolts within its buffer states in Eastern Europe...


Carrot and stick in Romania, attempt to strengthen the Iliescu regime's and Comintern's legitimacy by investment and by progress in Bosnia, Kosovo and the UAR and, after a suitable successor is chosen by Moscow, mediate between the Party and the opposition. Poland though, where significant portions of the police and military act erratically, I do expect some kind of coup attempt by the rightist armed forces. So while the USSR would attempt to uphold hegemony while keeping things from spiraling out of control and into violence, may have to use Poland to make an example, if things go the USSR's way. Should Poland be made an example of, the Romanian opposition would hopefully be more willing to come to the table and hammer out some kind of agreed-upon reform plan.

Hypron wrote:I've been silently wanting one of those, just to show far-off exclaves of alliances. For example, Singapore is in the Entente Cordiale, but no one could tell if I didn't brag about it so much. Plus, most of Africa is in the Entente, but I can't tell what states exactly without pulling up a global map.


You guys want a faction map? I could make one if enough people do.

Also... maybe a numbered map for Africa so people know which country is which since decolonization happened so much differently in this timeline.

Sao Nova Europa wrote:Are there any plans to create a EU?


I don't see the need, the Entente is an economic and military alliance, but maybe some kind of ECC could be formed to try and bring in non-members like Iberia or Occitaine, at least economically.

Kenobot wrote:I mean it's probably not what you're thinking it is. It's more a potential casus belli for the Soviets, but there's another one prior to that might start things anyway.


*Cracks knuckles

Shohun wrote:Very good Japanese app!


Absolutely loving this Shohun! Great job on the app :)

Shohun wrote:
Union Princes wrote:Yeah no, Korea will have to be liberated and is under Chinese influence. I had written that it was the threat of the Soviet Union intervening on behalf of China that forced Japan to surrender all occupied territory back to China and for the independence of Korea.

I think I will wait for the OP decision, since I am pretty sure he as the USSR in his lore did not demand the independence of Korea. If we go by the premise and his lore, then China invading Korea would be its own war, distinct from WW2.


The Japanese app is accepted, I already said Korea will remain in the Co Prosperity Sphere. I have already departed very significantly from the lore regarding China and strengthened it in Asia in contrast to the balance of power that I had originally envisioned. There needs to be a counterweight in the region, just as the Comintern and Entente in Europe. Also not sure why a Bukharinist USSR would enter a war in Asia in the immediate aftermath of the Second Great War to support a China where the people Bukharin purged to secure his power are deeply entrenched in the regime. They probably would have let rival Japan and the nation harboring two high profile "enemies of the people" bleed eachother pale. Almost makes me reconsider some of the retconns I made tbh.

The Omniversal Union of Anglosphere wrote:Can I reserve India?


Of course!

Rodez wrote:What’s a modern RP without an Indo-Paki war?


Couldn't have said it better lol :p

Kenobot wrote:Czechoslovakia and Hungary are in need of a player if that is something you'd be keen for. Lots of action happening in Eastern Europe. Otherwise for a more mild experience there's always Ireland, Scotland, Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines. Occitaine is another weird potentially interesting one


Czechoslovakia would be interesting with a destabilizing Poland in the north, a Romania that may destabilize in the southeast and a possibly revanchist Germany in the west.

Otherwise the Philippines could be cool, the vanguard of the GC in Asia contesting the nine-dash line with the Chinese. Or Scotland, I would love a Scotland, even though that would mean mostly focusing on internal politics.
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Postby Hypron » Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:22 am

A weird thing I thought about Scotland is this: They don't have the money from the British Empire, which means they're much weaker economically.

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Postby The National Dominion of Hungary » Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:24 am

Hypron wrote:A weird thing I thought about Scotland is this: They don't have the money from the British Empire, which means they're much weaker economically.


True true, unless they somehow managed to develop their offshore oil, but then again establishing that kind of infrastructure is expensive

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Postby Rygondria » Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:25 am

And depending on Italy’s relationship with Somalia, they could extend their reach into the Red Sea and East Africa if the really wanted too

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Postby Chewion » Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:47 am

Been working on the app and hope to have it done in the next day or so. I have down for two carriers and three LHDs because Australasia’s main focus is its navy with it being basically a bunch of islands and having an increased water territory. If that’s too much however please let me know. The carriers are a design I found that someone made including specs that is based on the UK’s Queen Elizabeth but with some significant differences. The LHDs are just three Canberra class LHDs like the two that Australia has irl.
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Postby Hypron » Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:59 am

The National Dominion of Hungary wrote:
Hypron wrote:Yay, I'm now seeing the Entente Cordiale having an Anglois faction and a European faction. They're not hostile with each other, but the Entente seems to be divided in half between Anglois and its former Empire and the remaining states.


That's what I had in mind sort of, the Entente is strong economically and militarily, but the challenge comes in managing the three major members and their interests, with the Anglois focused on their former colonies and reaping the economic benefits they have in Africa and Asia, Italy which is focused on the Mediterranean while Germany looks eastward, either to defend it's remaining eastern territories or perhaps looking for an opportunity to retake what was lost in the Second Great War to reincorporate Bohemia and parts of Poland should the Comintern go through a phase of unrest if going on a more revanchist path, after all, it took the Germans until the 90's to fully recognize the Polish-German borders IRL. Tough that up to the German player.

So, we have 3 spheres of influence combined into one, which in modern times, each nation is basically like this:
The United Anglois Kingdom - The face of the alliance, and the one with the most overseas power.
The German Empire - The strength of the alliance, and the strongest militarily (although probably not naval wise, that would be the Royal Navy).
The Kingdom of Italy - The underdog of the alliance, and the one who can afford to influence in Europe more than Anglois and Germany can.
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