2020: The Grand Game (CLOSED)

[Union Princes]

For the technology part of China, it has access to foriegn designs like computers, rocket engines, ships, and firearms. Like buying the license to produce these valuable parts for a modern army

[Deblar]

Could I reserve Kurdistan?

[The National Dominion of Hungary]

Nationstates Name - Mirum II
Nation Name - The German Empire (Germany)
Capital - Berlin
Type of Government - Parliamentary Monarchy
Ideological Leanings - Centrist / Centrist Conservative / Centrist Liberal
Party in Power - ICP (Imperial Centrist Party)
Head of State - Georg Friedrich
Image of HoS - (See Wikipedia)
Executive Title - Kaiser
Head of Government - Frank-Walter Steinmeier
Image of HoG - (See Wikipedia)
Executive Title - Grand Chancelor
Flag - (Image)

Total Population 84,234,324
Demographics 50% Ethnic German, 25% Austrian, 15% Danish, 10% Slavic, 5% Other

Military Branches - Imperial Army, Imperial Navy
Total military size - 3 million active, 6 million reserve, 12 million conscriptable
Breakdown of Ground Sector
- 1.5 million personnel
- 4000 Panzer XI Infantry IFVs
- 3500 Panzer X MBTs
- 1000 Archer SPGs
- 1000 M270 MRLS
- 500 MIM-104 Mobile SAM Batteries
- 250 Mark-97 Mobile Missile Batteries
Breakdown of Naval Sector
- 1 million personnel
- 500 U-1500 class Attack Submarines (85% are diesel-electric, 15% are nuclear)
- 250 Berlin class Corvettes
- 100 Bismark class Destroyers
- 5 Kaiser Wilhelm II class Aircraft Carriers
-- 75 FW-300 Raptor IIs and 25 V-22 VTOLs each

Breakdown of Air Sector
- 500k personnel
- 1000 FW-18E Raptor IIs
- 500 V-22 VTOLs
Major foreign military suppliers [If Applicable] - Columbia and United Anglois Kingdom (Bought Production Rights)
Extra military information - Limited conscription in effect, large budget. Mainly loyal to Kaiser, not nation or government.

GDP - 4.523 Trillion Imperial Marks
Currency - Imperial Mark
Major import/export partners - China, Greece, Italy, the Netherlands, Columbia, United Anglois Kingdom, UAR

Public Goals - Secure borders, extend influence across the globe, stop the Serbian Communist Insurgency in Bosnia, contain Communism.
Private Goals - Take/puppet Denmark as peacefully as possible, annex Poland and overthrow the dictatorship in Czhechloslovakia, topple the USSR.
Major Domestic Issues - Rising far-left-wing and far-right-wing causing political tensions, conscription laws being opposed.
Major Foreign Issues - High potential of being fully dragged into the Serbian Communist Insurgency in Bosnia and the UAR Civil War

History - WIP
(Basis: Wilhelm II and his descendants remain in power, set up a constitutional monarchy after the 1st Great War, attempted Far-Right coup fails after 2nd Great War but is kept secret. That’s all I’ve got so far.)

It's an okay start, just some thoughts though.

1: If you want you could up the population - Germany has over 80 million people today and Austria would add another 8-ish I think, other changes and a larger territory would mean you could have a population of around 95/100 million and it would probably be more german as well.

2: Regarding the military equipment you got alot of foreign-sourced gear. If you want some that's okay but if I were you I'd take a look here for suggestions on army equipment, here for suggestions on ships and here for suggestions on aircraft. Germany has a pretty robust defense industry, no need to source so much abroad. If you want to source some foreign stuff from for example the US, ask the future Columbian player as Germany and the UASC aren't part of the same block.

Also, there's not a single modern fleet with as many as 500 submarines.

[The National Dominion of Hungary]

Would Facism still have developed there or nah,I’m probably not going to do a fascist Italy I was just curious

Hmmm could have been? Or maybe Mussolini would have stayed Socialist, honestly haven't considered that part of the lore that much so I'll leave that to the Italian player.

Could I reserve Kurdistan?

I had hoped someone would say that

[Mirum II]

It's an okay start, just some thoughts though.

1: If you want you could up the population - Germany has over 80 million people today and Austria would add another 8-ish I think, other changes and a larger territory would mean you could have a population of around 95/100 million and it would probably be more german as well.

2: Regarding the military equipment you got alot of foreign-sourced gear. If you want some that's okay but if I were you I'd take a look here for suggestions on army equipment, here for suggestions on ships and here for suggestions on aircraft. Germany has a pretty robust defense industry, no need to source so much abroad. If you want to source some foreign stuff from for example the US, ask the future Columbian player as Germany and the UASC aren't part of the same block.

Also, there's not a single modern fleet with as many as 500 submarines.

Thanks for the reply, although I do have some comments.

1: I’ll be bumping up the population a bit, yes, and thanks for letting me know about this.

2: The equipment are equivalents of the real-world, but not exact copies, and are basically slightly modified designs (mainly inspired or “borrowed” ones). Some are bought (like the Patriot Missile Batteries) and I will discuss that with the appropriate players, but most are modified copies. And I’ll reduce the submarines to about 250.

[Union Princes]

Depending what the player changes on Columbia history, Japanese War criminals will get away scot free considering what i plan for China

[Hypron]

Can I reserve the United Anglois Kingdom?

[Rygondria]

Would Facism still have developed there or nah,I’m probably not going to do a fascist Italy I was just curious

Hmmm could have been? Or maybe Mussolini would have stayed Socialist, honestly haven't considered that part of the lore that much so I'll leave that to the Italian player.

Could I reserve Kurdistan?

I had hoped someone would say that

You know what, yeah I will reserve Italy, maybe make it a bit more assertive in this timeline compared too irl

[Deblar]

Just to be clear, that pink part of southeast Turkey is Kurdistan, right?

[Inazumaa]

hey do you mind if i reserve iran?

[The National Dominion of Hungary]

It's an okay start, just some thoughts though.

1: If you want you could up the population - Germany has over 80 million people today and Austria would add another 8-ish I think, other changes and a larger territory would mean you could have a population of around 95/100 million and it would probably be more german as well.

2: Regarding the military equipment you got alot of foreign-sourced gear. If you want some that's okay but if I were you I'd take a look here for suggestions on army equipment, here for suggestions on ships and here for suggestions on aircraft. Germany has a pretty robust defense industry, no need to source so much abroad. If you want to source some foreign stuff from for example the US, ask the future Columbian player as Germany and the UASC aren't part of the same block.

Also, there's not a single modern fleet with as many as 500 submarines.

Thanks for the reply, although I do have some comments.

1: I’ll be bumping up the population a bit, yes, and thanks for letting me know about this.

2: The equipment are equivalents of the real-world, but not exact copies, and are basically slightly modified designs (mainly inspired or “borrowed” ones). Some are bought (like the Patriot Missile Batteries) and I will discuss that with the appropriate players, but most are modified copies. And I’ll reduce the submarines to about 250.

Yeah, I suppose your population would be around 100 million-ish, but no more than 105 and around 80/85% German if Austrians are counted as Germans and Germany pursued a relatively open migration policy.

I get what you're saying, still, I would enjoy to see some diversity. Perhaps consider using stuff like the Puma, Boxer and the Marder IFV's to diversify the fleet a bit when it comes to ground vehicles, the PzH 2000 when it comes to SPA, it's a fantastic piece of kit, hell all of them are. Same goes for aircraft, the Eurofighter is pretty damn good, can totally see it as being a joint Anglois-German project in this timeline. Regarding the fleet there are also great German vessels like the Baden-Württemberg and Sachsen classes.

It's just a suggestion on my end, not gonna make or break the app in the end as long as Arvenia is cool with things. Just gonna need you to lower the sub fleet to around 100, the biggest IRL sub-fleet nowadays is China with around 90-something ships if I remember correctly. And replace the Iskander with some other type of Cruise Missile, maybe the ATACMS or something and you'll be pretty gucci.

[The National Dominion of Hungary]

Can I reserve the United Anglois Kingdom?

Of course! Very glad we get an Anglois player!

Just to be clear, that pink part of southeast Turkey is Kurdistan, right?

Yeah this pink thing in the middle with lakes Van and Urmia in it

hey do you mind if i reserve iran?

Not at all, I was hoping we'd get an Iran player, you gonna go with the Shah staying in power or something else?

[Rygondria]

I did reserve Italy btw

[Erie-Arcadia of Wombats]

Anything I should know about Sweden or Denmark?

[Erie-Arcadia of Wombats]

Anything I should know about Sweden or Denmark? Other post was made by an alt accidentally.
Edit: what the heck? Well this is supposed to be Huron League

[Hypron]

Nationstates Name - United Kingdom of Hypron
Nation Name - United Anglois Kingdom/Teyrnas yr Eingl Unedig/Royaume-Uni Anglois (English/Welsh/French)
Capitals - London and Paris
Type of Government - Parliamentary Monarchy
Ideological Leanings - Liberal Conservatism/National Liberalism (MUP) Democratic Socialism/Social Democracy (NSU)
Party in Power - Moderate Unionist Party/Plaid Unoliaethol Gymedrol/Parti Unioniste Modéré
Head of State - Elizabeth II of the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha/House of Windsor
Image of HoS -

Executive Title - Queen/Brenhines/Reine
Head of Government - Tim Farron
Image of HoG -

Executive Title - Prime Minister/Prif Weinidog/Premier Ministre

Flag -

Total Population - 151.35 million (East African territories not counted in the 2020 Census due to their status related to the crown being in dispute in the Imperial Parliament)
Demographics - The mainland territories of England, France, and Wales are mainly composed on English, French, Welsh, and Anglois culture groups, while the overseas territories in Ceylon and Singapore mainly have Malays, Chinese, Sinhalese, and a small minority of Indians.

Military Branches - Imperial Army, Royal Navy, Royal Air Force, Special Operations Executive
Total military size - 1.4 million soldiers standing, 2.1 million reservists
Breakdown of Ground Sector - The Imperial Army maintains a active force of 870,000 soldiers, due to peacetime measures being in place. These soldiers are mainly concentrated in 36 mechanized infantry divisions stationed throughout the UAK, with 24 in the mainland, 10 in forward deployment in Germany, and 2 in the coastal regions of East Africa. The UAK also employs 4 Armored Divisions, utilizing Challenger II MBTs for main assault power, Ajax IFVs for infantry transport, Eurocopter Tiger attack helicopters for airborne support, and AS-90 Braveheart's for artillery fire support. One of the 2 special forces units separated from the Special Operations Executive is the British Air Mobile Corps, consisting of 2 air assault divisions (The Princess Patricia Occitanian Light Infantry Division and the English 92nd Sussex Division) and 3 airborne divisions (English 1st Airborne Division, French 25e Division Aéroportée, and the Welsh 9fed Is-adran Awyr (which is the only Welsh-only division in the army). The remaining divisions are mainly garrison forces stationed across the Empire, mainly in East Africa and Singapore.
Meanwhile, the Special Operations Executive is the organization of all special forces of the UAK. Founded in 1947 by Scottish immigrant David Sterling from the Imperial Army, Christopher Lee as an representative from the RAF, and Admiral Francois Darlan as a representative from the Royal Navy, it was meant to organize all the land-based special forces of the UAK and its empire. Now it consists of 5 divisions of Special Forces, specifically 2 divisions of the Special Air Service, 1 division of the Special Boat Service, and 2 divisions of the French Foreign Legion.
Breakdown of Naval Sector - The pride of the UAK, the Royal Navy is one of the largest naval forces in the world. The Royal Navy's Carrier arm consists of 6 William Pitt class carriers manufactured by Cammell Laird and BAE Systems, and the UAK's only nuclear aircraft carrier Charles De Gaulle, which was named after the Prime Minister of France from 1950 to 1958. These carriers are capable of launching Rafale-M strike aircraft, while 2 of the William Pitts are receiving the first of the naval version of the RAF BAE P.125 fighters. Meanwhile, the Royal Navy also employs a (museum ship) battlecruiser, 24 destroyers, (16 Daring Class and 8 Sheffield Class), 32 frigates, (31 Duke Class and One recently completed Glasgow Class), and 15 submarines (10 Astute-class, 1 Barracuda Class, and 4 Vanguard Class)
Breakdown of Airforce Sector - The RAF has a total of 1,534 aircraft, with the main fighter force of 1,024 consisting of BAE P.125 and Eurofighter Typhoon fighters. The remaining 500 are mainly AWACS units, transport helicopters like the NH-90 Taipan, and transport aircraft.
Major foreign military suppliers [If Applicable]
Extra military information -

GDP - $6.14 trillion
Currency - Anglois Franc
Major import/export partners - German Empire, Italy, Australasia, China, members of the Entente Cordiale

Public Goals - Ensure continued stability of the Entente Cordiale, decide what to do about the East African situation, ensure a calm domestic situation
Private Goals - Ensure the East African nations remain in the Empire at all costs
Major Domestic Issues - New Government- The recent government was formed only in November 2019, so their actual agenda has not gotten underway yet and they are unproven to respond to crisis.
Mass Regionalism: Under the "Regional Stability Act of 1864", signed by Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli, the English and French both have Parliaments, which both answer to the Imperial Parliament in Westminster. This has lead to increasing Regionalism, but nationalism has been at an all time low.
Major Foreign Issues - The East African Revolt- With the East African Revolt still underway and tying up resources of the Special Operations Executive, this has been lowering the international credibility of the Sandringham Declaration and the Anglois Commitment to the End of Empire.
The Ceylon Debacle- Up until 2019, even after the halting to decolonization in Ceylon, the status quo was simple to maintain. However, in 2019, Ceylon sent a message to London asking to be formally integrated into the UAK. The issue is that it has divided the Imperial Parliament, with the MUP saying yes and the NSU saying no. However, with the MUP recently gaining the government, this issue should be solved shortly.

History - While the unification of the French and English Crowns happened formally in 1519, the beginning of the modern UAK didn't start until 1836, with the ascension of Victoria of the House of Hanover. The UAK was one of the great powers of the continent, but at the time, it was going through a period of nationalist instability. The Great French Revolt of 1818-1826 nearly tore the Dual Monarchies of England and France apart, and while it was crushed by English and Loyalist French forces, the effects would be felt for decades. Tensions came to a head again in 1848, with Nationalist fervor flaring up again not just in France, but also in Wales and the Kingdom of Hanover. While Victoria would abdicate the throne of Hanover, which was effectively handed to the King of Prussia, the other problems led to the Dual March, a march on London and Paris to demand changes to how the UAK functioned as a state.

These reforms, which began in 1848, where finalized in 1864 by Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli with the "Regional Stability Act of 1864." This established an French Parliament in Paris and a Welsh National Assembly in Cardiff, lessened the powers of the Imperial Parliament in Westminster to govern the regions, allowed for a French and English Prime Minister (depending on who the current Prime Minister is, they could fill the slots of both National and Regional Prime Minister) along with a Welsh "National Governor", and outlined the limits of both the Regional and National Governments.

This stabilized the situation, and slowly lead to the collapse of Nationalism within the European portions of the UAK, allowing the Kingdom to focus on colonization. Focusing on South Africa for the gold and diamonds, India for the vast wealth, and Western and Eastern Africa for the vast wealth of resources. This led to the Anglois Empire to become one of the largest and wealthiest nations on Earth, using it to build up the industrial power of the homeland. However, even the power of the Anglois Empire would not be immune to war.

The First and Second Great Wars damaged the Anglois Empire and it's hold on its colonies, same as with it's fellow Entente Cordiale member in the German Empire. This was critical in the 1954 Anglois Election, which saw Prime Minister Harold MacMillan come to power. In an Imperial tour in 1955 alongside Elizabeth II, in the Volksraad in the Union of South Africa, Harold MacMillan gave the now famous in Anglois history "Winds of Change" speech, calling for the decolonization of the Anglois Empire. This got the attention of German Reichskanzler (OOC: All German names are subject to change, I just need to put names here to not look as bad) Helmut Schmidt, who began discussions between the Anglois Empire and the German Empire on decolonization. This all came to a head in 1956, with Her Majesty Elizabeth II, Kaiser Wilhelm IV, Prime Minister MacMillan, and Reichskanzler Schmidt signing the "Sandringham Declaration" in Sandringham House in England, stating the intention of the 2 members of the Entente Cordiale to begin non-violent decolonization of its Empires, with the UAK making a symbolic first gesture by returning the Suez Canal to Egypt when the declaration was signed in exchange for guaranteed military access for the Royal Navy. This put pressure on the rest of the Entente Cordiale to do the same, with Iberia and Occitaine signing a similar document in 1960.

This meant the focus of the Anglois was the overall decolonization of Africa, which as of the 1980s, was going smoothly. However, the South African War threw a wrench in the plans, when Prime Minister Jacques Chirac, as the first Conservative Prime Minister after 13 years of Socialist domination of Parliament, called an halt to decolonization processes in East Africa and Ceylon, while holding referendums in Singapore to formally admit them into the UAK and returning Hong Kong to China in 1967 after negotiations between Anglois and China. Slowly, the resentment in East Africa began to build, and the 2008 Financial Crisis brought it all to an head. The "March on Nairobi" as it came to be called, began with nearly 50,000 East Africans marching on the Kenyan Administrative Zone's capital, holding signs such as "Live up to Sandringham" and "Follow MacMillan's Words!" The sheer amount of people lead to the deployment of the East African Corps to ensure stability. However, workers in what little industry East Africa had soon joined in the march, forcing the colonial administration to call upon London and Paris for assistance. Prime Minister François Hollande went south to negotiate with the East African marchers, successfully getting the moderates and the workers to stand down, ending the march. It didn't stop what followed after.

Members of the East African Liberation Movement (EALM) managed to sneak into Nairobi using the crowds to get in en masse. At the same time Hollande was on a plane back to London, over 2,000 EALM members raided armories in Nairobi and began shootouts with the EAC soldiers. Meanwhile, in a radio broadcast, the leader of the EALM declared a war of liberation against the United Anglois Kingdom, saying that his movement will live or die with a free East Africa. For the next 11 years, the UAK has been stuck in a war of insurgency with the EALM, seeing success in pushing them into the Western portions of East Africa, but not being able to eradicate them entirely.

[Union Princes]

Hey Hypron, we gonna have to talk about Hong Kong cause what you have written down will contradict my app history

[Hypron]

Hey Hypron, we gonna have to talk about Hong Kong cause what you have written down will contradict my app history

Hmmm. I mean, I am going off of this, quote: " Meanwhile, referendums were led in both Singapore and Hong Kong, where both colonies voted for integration into Anglois as full constituent regions."

[Union Princes]

Yeah, that would never happen with an independent China. A referendum that ended like that would prompt an immediate Chinese invasion. Something similar would happen with Singapore. With de-colonization in full swing, China will push for a return of Hong Kong without or without bloodshed

[Hypron]

Yeah, that would never happen with an independent China. A referendum that ended like that would prompt an immediate Chinese invasion. Something similar would happen with Singapore. With de-colonization in full swing, China will push for a return of Hong Kong without or without bloodshed

So, just a question, they'd be willing to risk nuclear war (even limited with the number of nukes we all have) over Hong Kong, Anglois?
God, I'm gonna have to get used to saying Anglois over Britain.

[Union Princes]

yes, they totally would. And nuking China would start world war 3 immediately since China, by the time it takes Hong Kong, will be aligned with the USSR.

[Hypron]

yes, they totally would. And nuking China would start world war 3 immediately since China, by the time it takes Hong Kong, will be aligned with the USSR.

Alright, just checking. I'll edit in the 1997 transfer because it wouldn't be transferred any earlier, no matter what.

[Union Princes]

1997? I envisioned it to be taken back as soon as decolonization hits in the 50s and 60s since China, having been betrayed by Columbia and encouraged by the USSR, would press for an immediate return of Hong Kong.

[Hypron]

1997? I envisioned it to be taken back as soon as decolonization hits in the 50s and 60s since China, having been betrayed by Columbia and encouraged by the USSR, would press for an immediate return of Hong Kong.

Why press for it when they can wait? 1997 is the return date of the New Territories, why threaten war with 3 Great Powers when they can just play the patient game and get it in '97? Even a encouraged and more aggressive China probably wouldn't attempt to defy a treaty when they win on time.

[Union Princes]

that's the thing, this China is done with waiting since they got left to dry by Columbia (though that can change with a Columbia player), so it is inclined to believe that if it doesn't press for a return now, the Anglois would never return it all. Going by the 1950s and 1960s perspective. If anything, they'll force Britain to renegotiate the treaty to speed up the return process.