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by Untecna » Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:04 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:32 pm
Chessmistress wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
A very important point indeed.
I'll also add that in addition to Team 1930s production dropping due to the vulnerability of the Caucasus and other areas to long range bombing by jet fighters and cruise missiles (they won't have 3+ years to hit those peaks),
the USA's massive production is in this case is going towards Team 2020. As is China, 2020's number one top manufacturer of goods and one of the modern world's largest economies.
Soviet Union also wouldn't be getting Lend-Lease, and neither will Great Britain.
USA 1939 is useless for 2020 powers, perhaps apart from providing some raw materials but they're too far from the theatre, so it's not economically wise to get materials from them.
China already got Malaysia oilfields (British Empire), there's no need to get oil from USA.
Turkey is gonna getting Iraq and Kuwait (both British), not just the Caucasus.
by Kannap » Fri Jan 21, 2022 8:10 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Chessmistress wrote:
USA 1939 is useless for 2020 powers, perhaps apart from providing some raw materials but they're too far from the theatre, so it's not economically wise to get materials from them.
China already got Malaysia oilfields (British Empire), there's no need to get oil from USA.
Turkey is gonna getting Iraq and Kuwait (both British), not just the Caucasus.
Yeah having Turkey is a real game changer eh?
All that access to oil. I do like the idea of Greece and Turkey, traditional rivals, overcoming their differences and standing side by side.
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by Heloin » Fri Jan 21, 2022 8:15 pm
Kannap wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
Yeah having Turkey is a real game changer eh?
All that access to oil. I do like the idea of Greece and Turkey, traditional rivals, overcoming their differences and standing side by side.
Which begs the question: Why would Greece and Turkey - who are constantly at each others throats and the source of various incidents between each other even to the modern day - work together? Seems to me more likely if you teleported them back in time to a warzone, they'd finally have the chains off to go to war with each other.
by Neanderthaland » Fri Jan 21, 2022 8:18 pm
Heloin wrote:Kannap wrote:
Which begs the question: Why would Greece and Turkey - who are constantly at each others throats and the source of various incidents between each other even to the modern day - work together? Seems to me more likely if you teleported them back in time to a warzone, they'd finally have the chains off to go to war with each other.
Greece would sooner work with Nazi Germany. So would Turkey.
by Kannap » Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:54 pm
Heloin wrote:Kannap wrote:
Which begs the question: Why would Greece and Turkey - who are constantly at each others throats and the source of various incidents between each other even to the modern day - work together? Seems to me more likely if you teleported them back in time to a warzone, they'd finally have the chains off to go to war with each other.
Greece would sooner work with Nazi Germany. So would Turkey.
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by Heloin » Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:55 pm
Kannap wrote:Heloin wrote:Greece would sooner work with Nazi Germany. So would Turkey.
The whole Greek alliance in this scenario is more likely to instantly be at each other's throats than work together. I mean - the descendants of Yugoslavia? You want Serbia to work with Croatia? You want Bosnia and Herzegovina to work with either of them? You think Kosovo is going to go along with any of Serbia's bullshit? Bulgaria working with Greece? Ha, they've had their eyes on the land they lost to the Greeks over a century ago. North Macedonia is on the chopping block if Greece has any say on the matter. Romania working with Hungary instead of fighting each other over Transylvania? Albania will probably be at Serbia's throat if Serbia bombs Kosovo (there's a sizable Albanian population living in Kosovo). Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!
This whole scenario is loosely held together by the lack of understanding that all of these people hate each other.
by Infected Mushroom » Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:59 pm
by New Baltenstein » Sat Jan 22, 2022 1:19 am
Kannap wrote:Heloin wrote:Greece would sooner work with Nazi Germany. So would Turkey.
The whole Greek alliance in this scenario is more likely to instantly be at each other's throats than work together. I mean - the descendants of Yugoslavia? You want Serbia to work with Croatia? You want Bosnia and Herzegovina to work with either of them? You think Kosovo is going to go along with any of Serbia's bullshit? Bulgaria working with Greece? Ha, they've had their eyes on the land they lost to the Greeks over a century ago. North Macedonia is on the chopping block if Greece has any say on the matter. Romania working with Hungary instead of fighting each other over Transylvania? Albania will probably be at Serbia's throat if Serbia bombs Kosovo (there's a sizable Albanian population living in Kosovo). Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!
This whole scenario is loosely held together by the lack of understanding that all of these people hate each other.
by Ifreann » Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:48 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:A 2.0 version of this thread (with new alliances) is underway and scheduled for launch in a few weeks-1 month, taking into account all constructive criticisms.
by Untecna » Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:19 am
by Ifreann » Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:32 am
by Kannap » Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:14 am
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by Infected Mushroom » Sat Jan 22, 2022 1:29 pm
by Ifreann » Sat Jan 22, 2022 1:58 pm
by Socialist States of Ludistan » Sat Jan 22, 2022 2:03 pm
by Neanderthaland » Sat Jan 22, 2022 2:50 pm
Socialist States of Ludistan wrote:So you’re asking what would happen if every single superpower had one goal in mind, and that goal was to destroy Greece? In that case Greece would get destroyed, big time, it wouldn’t at all matter that they had modern equipment. Greece wouldn’t not stand a chance.
by The Two Jerseys » Sat Jan 22, 2022 3:48 pm
Neanderthaland wrote:Socialist States of Ludistan wrote:So you’re asking what would happen if every single superpower had one goal in mind, and that goal was to destroy Greece? In that case Greece would get destroyed, big time, it wouldn’t at all matter that they had modern equipment. Greece wouldn’t not stand a chance.
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by Chessmistress » Sun Jan 23, 2022 4:42 pm
Socialist States of Ludistan wrote:So you’re asking what would happen if every single superpower had one goal in mind, and that goal was to destroy Greece? In that case Greece would get destroyed, big time, it wouldn’t at all matter that they had modern equipment. Greece wouldn’t not stand a chance.
by Chessmistress » Sun Jan 23, 2022 5:04 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:A 2.0 version of this thread (with new alliances) is underway and scheduled for launch in a few weeks-1 month, taking into account all constructive criticisms.
I want to take the time to thank everyone for contributing. In the meantime, please carry on.
by Latorik » Sun Jan 23, 2022 5:07 pm
Chessmistress wrote:Socialist States of Ludistan wrote:So you’re asking what would happen if every single superpower had one goal in mind, and that goal was to destroy Greece? In that case Greece would get destroyed, big time, it wouldn’t at all matter that they had modern equipment. Greece wouldn’t not stand a chance.
No, in IM scenario there aren't superpowers against Greece 2020:
There are Soviet Union 1939, Nazi Germany 1939, British Empire 1939, French Empire 1939, Japan 1939, Italy 1939. Nothing more.
Since it's 1939 all of them are weak, very different from their 1944 version.
Then together with Greece 2020 there's China 2020, Turkey 2020, Poland 2020, Romania 2020, Bulgaria 2020, Hungary 2020, and some others.
The above is a force able to easily destroy the 1939 powers: 1939 powers will never reach 1944 level.
To better understand the difference between 1939 and 1944:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War ... production
In 1939 USSR produced 10,000 planes, in 1944 they produced 40,000 planes.
In 1939 Nazi Germany produced 8,000 planes, in 1944 they produced 39,000 planes.
The numbers in the 1939 column are NOT going to improve in 1940 and they aren't going to reach 1944 levels.
Because the 2020 powers are more than able to destroy all enemy infrastructures, while the 1939 powers cannot destroy the 2020 infrastructures.
After months (not years, just months) the 1939 powers have no fuel, no airplanes, no tanks, they even lack rifles and bullets.
At such point USSR can send 20,000,000 soldiers but all of them have from zero to few bullets, many of them don't even have firearms, a lot of them don't have proper boots.
The above can't pass through Romania:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_e ... #Artillery
Their artillery and machine guns are already enough, then they have modern airplanes, etc.
That's considering just only Romania as it is right now, but in the scenario China is sending help: China can just embark 200 rocket launchers, outdated, and 5000 machine guns, outdated, and send it to Romania. Those weapons are "outdated" in 2020, but it's equipment from 1960-1970 and it's a monster against the above Soviet force.
by Infected Mushroom » Sun Jan 23, 2022 9:22 pm
Chessmistress wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:A 2.0 version of this thread (with new alliances) is underway and scheduled for launch in a few weeks-1 month, taking into account all constructive criticisms.
I want to take the time to thank everyone for contributing. In the meantime, please carry on.
I suggest to read this, it's four books:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwar_ ... rst_series
It's very close to your scenario: the aliens have weapons roughly comparable to Earth 2020.
They invade Earth in May 1942.
The major difference is that Earth 1942 it's not Earth 1939: all the nations have already mobilized their production power, furthermore here the enemy is clueless aliens, not other humans.
by Stellar Colonies » Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:29 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Chessmistress wrote:
I suggest to read this, it's four books:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwar_ ... rst_series
It's very close to your scenario: the aliens have weapons roughly comparable to Earth 2020.
They invade Earth in May 1942.
The major difference is that Earth 1942 it's not Earth 1939: all the nations have already mobilized their production power, furthermore here the enemy is clueless aliens, not other humans.
Thank you. I will be taking a look.
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