Capitalism Forever?

[Infected Mushroom]

Please consider the following hypothetical:

There is a one-time button you can press, it expires in 24 hours. If you press it, capitalism in the entire world will be overthrown in a timeline ranging from a few months to a whole decades; a new political ideology and economic system will take over. You don’t know how (violently or peacefully), you don’t know how fast, you don’t know how many will die, you don’t know what ideology or system will replace it, you don’t know whether the alternative will work or not.

If you don’t press the button though, then capitalism will be fated to NEVER be overthrown in the entire world. We will have capitalism until the end of human civilization, whenever that is. No matter what systemic pressures emerge, no matter how unsustainable or unworkable it may become, somehow the global capitalist elite will keep holding on to power and keep it running. A permanent world of consumerism, exploitation of labour, profiteering, stock markets, corporations etc…

Do you press the button? Why?

It’s a hard one but I would probably press it. Capitalism is probably not the end stage of political/economic evolution and freezing us there in the alternative would be a mistake. At the same time, I am a bit concerned about what chaos could be unleashed but it may be a necessary risk.

[Untecna]

I would press it. Despite not knowing how things will happen, its better to hope for the best.

[Haruhi Japan]

Capitalism is based so no.

[Kerwa]

It doesn’t matter. People are howling shits with little to no control over their actions. Press it, or not, people will still be foul to each other and make each other miserable.

(If you even can overthrow “capitalism”)

[Jerzylvania]

Please consider the following hypothetical:

There is a one-time button you can press, it expires in 24 hours. If you press it, capitalism in the entire world will be overthrown in a timeline ranging from a few months to a whole decades; a new political ideology and economic system will take over. You don’t know how (violently or peacefully), you don’t know how fast, you don’t know how many will die, you don’t know what ideology or system will replace it, you don’t know whether the alternative will work or not.

If you don’t press the button though, then capitalism will be fated to NEVER be overthrown in the entire world. We will have capitalism until the end of human civilization, whenever that is. No matter what systemic pressures emerge, no matter how unsustainable or unworkable it may become, somehow the global capitalist elite will keep holding on to power and keep it running. A permanent world of consumerism, exploitation of labour, profiteering, stock markets, corporations etc…

Do you press the button? Why?

It’s a hard one but I would probably press it. Capitalism is probably not the end stage of political/economic evolution and freezing us there in the alternative would be a mistake. At the same time, I am a bit concerned about what chaos could be unleashed but it may be a necessary risk.

Wasn't that damn button removed?
Iirc it was about a week before Thanksgiving in November of 1963 ...in Texas.

[Jinggangshan]

Ok, that's just a no-brainer. *whistles internationale*

[Dexterra]

Let's see. I'm bracing myself to lose health insurance when I most need it, I have few functional or active labor and consumer rights, and in my nearest city, more and more people are quitting their jobs and living in tents. Meanwhile, memelord billionaires have recently been shooting off to space while the Arctic melts and millions starve from one of the largest, most egregiously profiteering extractions of wealth in human history.

I will spam that button like an F7 summerposter until even the mere thought of capitalism is forever extinguished from the Earth.

[Deblar]

I'm not just pressing that button, i'm clobbering it with a sledgehammer

[Jinggangshan]

Hey, let's just rename this one as "The Socialist Thread"

For some reason Internationalism always makes me happy... hi, comrades!

[Jadi-Gas]

This reminds me, I tried making my nation generally with a socialist-based economy and political system, however nationsates seems to only go in extremes. With that, I accidentally turned my country's economy Capitalist, not really willingly though (there's also been other instances where I accidentally made a decision that I don't agree with, however the alternative would've also been extreme. Such as in banning sports, abolishing prisons, having the death penalty, and compulsory organ harvesting after a citizen dies). Some of the prompts here can seem vague, or maybe I just don't know how to read lol.

Also this is my first post, and I don't really know how to word these, but hey, at least I can try I suppose.

[Jinggangshan]

This reminds me, I tried making my nation generally with a socialist-based economy and political system, however nationsates seems to only go in extremes. With that, I accidentally turned my country's economy Capitalist, not really willingly though (there's also been other instances where I accidentally made a decision that I don't agree with, however the alternative would've also been extreme. Such as in banning sports, abolishing prisons, having the death penalty, and compulsory organ harvesting after a citizen dies). Some of the prompts here can seem vague, or maybe I just don't know how to read lol.

Also this is my first post, and I don't really know how to word these, but hey, at least I can try I suppose.

seems to me the trick is having socialism installed on creation, and then slowly work up the economy as much as you can while maintaining proper policy on economics and civil rights.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Let's see. I'm bracing myself to lose health insurance when I most need it, I have few functional or active labor and consumer rights, and in my nearest city, more and more people are quitting their jobs and living in tents. Meanwhile, memelord billionaires have recently been shooting off to space while the Arctic melts and millions starve from one of the largest, most egregiously profiteering extractions of wealth in human history.

I will spam that button like an F7 summerposter until even the mere thought of capitalism is forever extinguished from the Earth.

This more or less perfectly captures my feelings.

[HISPIDA]

why in the world would you not press it

the only bad thing that can happen is if the new system is like, fascism or something
or God forbid trotskyism

[Infected Mushroom]

why in the world would you not press it

the only bad thing that can happen is if the new system is like, fascism or something
or God forbid trotskyism

Some people may value stability and worry about what they could lose

Most people my parent’s generation probably wouldn’t press it because they come from a time where capitalism was seen in a better light

[HISPIDA]

why in the world would you not press it

the only bad thing that can happen is if the new system is like, fascism or something
or God forbid trotskyism

Some people may value stability and worry about what they could lose

Most people my parent’s generation probably wouldn’t press it because they come from a time where capitalism was seen in a better light

to the people who value stability and the status quo i have three words: "cry about it"

the world is rapidly deteriorating and if action is not taken against the status quo now we might not even have a world in a few decades

[HISPIDA]

why in the world would you not press it

the only bad thing that can happen is if the new system is like, fascism or something
or God forbid trotskyism

Some people may value stability and worry about what they could lose

Most people my parent’s generation probably wouldn’t press it because they come from a time where capitalism was seen in a better light

to the people who value stability and the status quo i have three words: "cry about it"

the world is rapidly deteriorating and if action is not taken against the status quo now we might not even have a world in a few decades

[Cruciland]

why in the world would you not press it

the only bad thing that can happen is if the new system is like, fascism or something
or God forbid trotskyism

Honestly, fascism would be a blessing. It's one of the only alternatives to capitalism that didn't collapse under its own weight- massive foreign intervention was the only way it could end.

[Jadi-Gas]

seems to me the trick is having socialism installed on creation, and then slowly work up the economy as much as you can while maintaining proper policy on economics and civil rights.

Yeah, I think I just went too far on the whole thingy with Capitalism. But I generally did the other steps.

[Cannonio]

why in the world would you not press it

the only bad thing that can happen is if the new system is like, fascism or something
or God forbid trotskyism

Honestly, fascism would be a blessing. It's one of the only alternatives to capitalism that didn't collapse under its own weight- massive foreign intervention was the only way it could end.

What about a leaniant monarchy? Monarchies survived for centuries?

[HISPIDA]

why in the world would you not press it

the only bad thing that can happen is if the new system is like, fascism or something
or God forbid trotskyism

Honestly, fascism would be a blessing. It's one of the only alternatives to capitalism that didn't collapse under its own weight- massive foreign intervention was the only way it could end.

hahahahaha no

fascism is the ultimate enemy to basic morality and human individuality; it is defined on the elimination of the notion that the citizen and the state are different entities. it will eliminate anything -- anything -- that can be viewed as antithetical to the state: socialism, religion, individuality, feminism, &c.

and even then... yes, fascism did collapse under its own weight
nazi germany was on the brink of economic collapse in 1939 and the production of both italy and japan was extremely low compared to the demands of the state. north korea is only surviving because of chinese support and the PRC is still alive because it has a strange mix of capitalism and corporatism and hasn't fully committed to either, making it a rather unique example of productive fascism; but this is the exception, not the example. a lot of the PRC's production is also rooted in the transitioning-to-capitalism era and the socialist era, not the modern fascist era, making the argument that it's efficient because of fascism pretty redundant

[Washington Resistance Army]

why in the world would you not press it

the only bad thing that can happen is if the new system is like, fascism or something
or God forbid trotskyism

Honestly, fascism would be a blessing. It's one of the only alternatives to capitalism that didn't collapse under its own weight- massive foreign intervention was the only way it could end.

This is really only true of Fascist Italy and that isn't exactly a model to appeal to given its vast array of failures; Germany was on the fast track to total economic collapse because its economics were insanely unsustainable.

[Neanderthaland]

Please consider the following hypothetical:

There is a one-time button you can press

I press it.

I press the big red button.

I don't care what it does.

[Dominioan]

Violently could mean that some random guy is the last person surviving after the world collapses, so technically it means capitalism is overthrown.

I ain't pushing that button. There's way too many reprehensible ideologies in the world.

[Fauzjhia]

Yes I do press the button.
Without any doubt.

[Dominioan]

Yes I do press the button.
Without any doubt.

So you're willing to accept a high chance of fascism, or totalitarian communism?