Galapagos Negotiations [IC]

[Texkentuck]

OOC: ICly, we wouldn't need to move locations to negotiate, as moving to a different country to negotiate again isn't worth it when we could just continue here.

IC: We don't see the need to change where we negotiate, and while we appreciate the attempt at trying again at negotiations, we still believe that it can be done here. Anyway, we propose that an election is held in the Galapagos within a year after the treaty is signed, and that, the Deblarian founded Galapagos and the GLA work to establish a democracy. After the elections happen, the GLA is reduced to a non-political army, and the representatives for the Free State of the Galapagos are replaced by whoever wins the elections. Only war criminals from the coalition government will face trial, and the trial must be fair and just, so that only people who actually commited war crimes will face punishment. Immigrants will be protected by law, though there can be a campaign to encourage them to migrate back. Does that seem good?

[Hilda Takes a puff]
I think for the sake of the people of Galapagos a war trial should not be held but to have pardon. The King Ilses needs to reduce troops in the nation. I think we need to think of the people of Galapagos only. A foreign government did a deal with their dictator old government. I think it's best to establish an election then to insure our nations have an embassy in their nation. The citizens of Galapagos are angry and the last we want to do is incite more anger among the populace. If their are trials members from King Isle military leaders should face war crimes as well. Beating up Soverein citizens in the streets and taking their resources because a corrupt dictator said they could is not good....I believe all parties should be pardoned. I think the best way to move forward is to establish an election for only eligible native citizens. As for second hand citizens they should wait to be allowed in future elections. We urge nations to calm down tensions among the populace. We need for them to see our nations as looking after their best interest and first we do is take their resources isn't the best diplomatic way to do it. In taking resources from the deal it clearly shows the true motive of we've support the leader you hated and betrayed you. Now we are here to help but we have access to your nations resources. If a nation believes one party committed war crimes then take that nation to war....If it's not worth war then move forward. We are already planning to send in a group of diplomats to talk with the population and to move forward on an embassy but we will not help with rebuilding. This bickering is not constructive for this disaster of a nation that's quite rich...I could care less about the deals of old and the nation has it's own funds.....To smooth tensions make King Isles not take their resources for profit.

[Hilda takes a sip of TexkVodka]

We would build an embassy when the government asks us too....But it doesn't look promising....

We believe the new government from TFS coordinated by our nations will have---If not coordinated will have some of the following but no death camps. We believe the tention around this nation is turning them into what we fear…We are don’t believe our nation or any nation here can act constructive with this many nations involved…. Our nation believes all listed below may sadly follow.
A: Possible Death Camps created to persecute diffirent minorities or majority political ideology are exterminated.
B: No elections are held
C: They support a socialist or natzi regime that is very much ran by a dictator 100%.
A: The government favors communism or socialism.
B: The government allows for the promotion of the death penalty, racism, or abortion to be propagated.
C: The government speaks out against Texkentuck-U.C.C.R
D: The government doesn't recognize their is an all powerful one deity.
E: Most of all the government of Galapagos doesn't want our nations in their nation. As we stay they will institute the horrors of democracy....
Fellow nations we were hoping we could move constructively in building an embassy and setting up a process for fair elections. As many nations involved in these negotiations we believe it will lead to the people being cordinated into the most corrupt domocracy in the world do to the number of nations involved. For the best of democracy we are leaving the negotiations for the sake of not being apart of the stain of a constitution on the people with out their true consent. If this nation by any means never feels that they have true control trust our nation that you will make them into what you most fear.

I have a note from President Bram W. Schirkophf on behalf of parliament-
Our nation isn't going to be able to reach true grounds of sound negotiation with this many nations involved. We worn all nations involved that this is the perfect recipe to trigger all out rebellion again which will lead to death camps etc. We are staying away from this nation and it's negotiations. We believe at heart the populace isn't fascist but by the actions and name calling of the people they have reached a dangerious point to do whatever is neccessary to stop the foreigners. We are out....Galapagos has nothing to offer our nation and we believe the government set up will be very very very crooked.


The Vice-President thanks the nations for hearing our warnings. She then states we have other conflicts to solve. We are involved in helping an ally to achieve their goals and our goals for Taiwan Independence. King Ilses is a small matter. If they become the hellion of a nation we will stop them. At this point if your nations don't make them a democracy we will be the force to stop the oppression by being that force to convey power....If your nations are the oppressors then we will do all we can to get innocent people out of this once sad nation....

[Hilda walks out with security and speaks to the small press in Galapagos]

The meeting isn't constructive...The last thing the nations are talking of is moving forward in talking with the people and working with leaders to build a democracy. It will be very beucratic. We encourage the people to not focus on this meeting. Have your predominant leaders of your groups come together and build a constitution. The only way democracy will work is if one of your own was in the meeting I was just in and you weren't. We worn your leader if you all form death camps or this nation forms a dictatorship we will bomb this island and we will find a way to get innocent bystanders out. It's sad to inform you your nation is gone for good.... Also their are talks of them holding trials against members of this nation for war crimes as a result of a monarchy taking control of your nation by being in agreement with a former dictator who sold you all out 100%.....We worn you that in that building at the meeting are sharks out to get your nation unless you diplomatically and militarily get smart....Some of those nations do not care for our nation either. But we have are government and military...We fought our civil war and made leaders who we did not like stand down....This nation needs to first meet with them diplomatically. If that doesn't work. It's up to you what your citizens will do for your survival borders, language, and culture and freedom.......No place like Texkentuck-U.C.C.R- God be with your nation!
[The VP walks and gets into her motorcade for the airport and flies out on Owl Force Two]

Vice-President Melanie K. Hilda

[The Military State of the Galapagos]

I propose the Galapagosian written constitution becomes the official constitution of the Galapagos instead of SM’s “constitution” that was written with the aim of enslaving the Galapagos.

[The King Isle]

The King Isle votes nay for the treaty proposed by SM

[Southeast Marajarbia]

The King Isle votes nay for the treaty proposed by SM

Fred Edwards: “Then we shall edit the treaty, add in some new articles, and bring it to vote once again. Marajarbian troops have still initiated a pullout regardless.”

OOC: Sealand, telegram me to edit and discuss what more could be done to the treaty.

[The Territories of Sealand]

The changed Article 7:

Article 7: Should a new constitution be required, it would need to first be voted upon by the Parliament. Once that happens, the Government and Provisional Council will work together to ensure that the treaty isn’t going to be violated by the new constitution. If attempts to replace the Coalition made constitution fail, it is still subject to minor edits. This can include the additions of new articles and/or removal of articles. However, any edits made would require majority bipartisan support, and cannot violate the treaty.

[The Military State of the Galapagos]

The changed Article 7:

Article 7: Should a new constitution be required, it would need to first be voted upon by the Parliament. Once that happens, the Government and Provisional Council will work together to ensure that the treaty isn’t going to be violated by the new constitution. If attempts to replace the Coalition made constitution fail, it is still subject to minor edits. This can include the additions of new articles and/or removal of articles. However, any edits made would require majority bipartisan support, and cannot violate the treaty.

This is better yet it still ignores a demand of ours. The provisional government is to be disbanded and saying how apparently we can not punish them for their war crimes and crimes against humanity we must only ask that they be dissolved immediately

[The Territories of Sealand]

The changed Article 7:

Article 7: Should a new constitution be required, it would need to first be voted upon by the Parliament. Once that happens, the Government and Provisional Council will work together to ensure that the treaty isn’t going to be violated by the new constitution. If attempts to replace the Coalition made constitution fail, it is still subject to minor edits. This can include the additions of new articles and/or removal of articles. However, any edits made would require majority bipartisan support, and cannot violate the treaty.

This is better yet it still ignores a demand of ours. The provisional government is to be disbanded and saying how apparently we can not punish them for their war crimes and crimes against humanity we must only ask that they be dissolved immediately

The provisional government can be disbanded when possible, and council members who committed war crimes can be punished, as stated in the rest of the treaty. As for the part of Article 7 mentioning the provisional government, it could be changed to this (changes are bolded):

Article 7: Should a new constitution be required, it would need to first be voted upon by the Parliament. Once that happens, the Government and Provisional Council/neutral international observers (depending on what happens to the Provisional Government) will work together to ensure that the treaty isn’t going to be violated by the new constitution. If attempts to replace the Coalition made constitution fail, it is still subject to minor edits. This can include the additions of new articles and/or removal of articles. However, any edits made would require majority bipartisan support, and cannot violate the treaty.

[The Territories of Sealand]

/bump

[Southeast Marajarbia]

The changed Article 7:

Article 7: Should a new constitution be required, it would need to first be voted upon by the Parliament. Once that happens, the Government and Provisional Council will work together to ensure that the treaty isn’t going to be violated by the new constitution. If attempts to replace the Coalition made constitution fail, it is still subject to minor edits. This can include the additions of new articles and/or removal of articles. However, any edits made would require majority bipartisan support, and cannot violate the treaty.

This is better yet it still ignores a demand of ours. The provisional government is to be disbanded and saying how apparently we can not punish them for their war crimes and crimes against humanity we must only ask that they be dissolved immediately

Fred Edwards: "No, if the Provisional Council has to be dissolved, that is up to the next Galapagosian Government to decide. It isn’t up to the treaty, and it certainly isn't up to us."

[The Military State of the Galapagos]

We can have a vote after the peace negotiations are complete to see if the people want the provisional government. After all that is the democratic way to do things, not that your interested in creating a democracy

[The Territories of Sealand]

We can have a vote after the peace negotiations are complete to see if the people want the provisional government. After all that is the democratic way to do things, not that your interested in creating a democracy

Sure, that follows the treaty. If the provisional government does get dissolved, then the provisional council's role in Article 7 could be replaced with neutral international observers.

[The Military State of the Galapagos]

There should also be rules on what parties can run for the Galapagos elections. We put this out here because with the facist reign of the coalition Galapagos citizens were not able to set up parties unless they had a clear bias towards the slavers. There needs to be rules in place to prevent that. I propose another article,

Only legal Galapagos citizens may create political parties and vote on said parties. There is to be no parties set up by foreign countries and if there is any parties set up they can be legally taken down by the Galapagos government

[Southeast Marajarbia]

There should also be rules on what parties can run for the Galapagos elections. We put this out here because with the facist reign of the coalition Galapagos citizens were not able to set up parties unless they had a clear bias towards the slavers. There needs to be rules in place to prevent that. I propose another article,

Only legal Galapagos citizens may create political parties and vote on said parties. There is to be no parties set up by foreign countries and if there is any parties set up they can be legally taken down by the Galapagos government

Fred Edwards: “Unfortunately that violates Article 1. All parties should be allowed to participate, regardless of ideology or origin.”

[The Military State of the Galapagos]

There should also be rules on what parties can run for the Galapagos elections. We put this out here because with the facist reign of the coalition Galapagos citizens were not able to set up parties unless they had a clear bias towards the slavers. There needs to be rules in place to prevent that. I propose another article,

Only legal Galapagos citizens may create political parties and vote on said parties. There is to be no parties set up by foreign countries and if there is any parties set up they can be legally taken down by the Galapagos government

Fred Edwards: “Unfortunately that violates Article 1. All parties should be allowed to participate, regardless of ideology or origin.”

Incase you can’t tell this is directed at you and SO specially saying during the first “elections” if you can call them that it was only foreign countries parties that only served the interest of those countries. We are just making sure that that can never happen again.

[Southeast Marajarbia]

Fred Edwards: “Unfortunately that violates Article 1. All parties should be allowed to participate, regardless of ideology or origin.”

Incase you can’t tell this is directed at you and SO specially saying during the first “elections” if you can call them that it was only foreign countries parties that only served the interest of those countries. We are just making sure that that can never happen again.

Fred Edwards: “I reiterate, the Galapagos as a whole cannot violate this treaty, nor can articles that violate other articles be added. Article 1 allows for political parties regardless of origin or ideology to participate in the free and fair system known as the Democratic Process. Without a democratic process, what proof is there that the Galapagos under Galapagosian rule, especially in the past and present with the GLA, will be a democracy without a multi party system?”

[New Antarcticania]

There should also be rules on what parties can run for the Galapagos elections. We put this out here because with the facist reign of the coalition Galapagos citizens were not able to set up parties unless they had a clear bias towards the slavers. There needs to be rules in place to prevent that. I propose another article,

Only legal Galapagos citizens may create political parties and vote on said parties. There is to be no parties set up by foreign countries and if there is any parties set up they can be legally taken down by the Galapagos government

Fred Edwards: “Unfortunately that violates Article 1. All parties should be allowed to participate, regardless of ideology or origin.”

(Ladies and gentlemen, may i present to you, the dumbest objection in this thread.
There are many excellent canidates for this award, but, oh. This ones is the godamn cherry on the cake.)

[The Military State of the Galapagos]

Incase you can’t tell this is directed at you and SO specially saying during the first “elections” if you can call them that it was only foreign countries parties that only served the interest of those countries. We are just making sure that that can never happen again.

Fred Edwards: “I reiterate, the Galapagos as a whole cannot violate this treaty, nor can articles that violate other articles be added. Article 1 allows for political parties regardless of origin or ideology to participate in the free and fair system known as the Democratic Process. Without a democratic process, what proof is there that the Galapagos under Galapagosian rule, especially in the past and present with the GLA, will be a democracy without a multi party system?”

And tell us why you think that foreign countries should be able to set up parties in our sovereign state? Is it because you still have ambitions in the Galapagos? I speak for the Galapagos population here when I say there is to be no more foreign influence in this country. The only way for you to win a single seat is to rig the elections again. This is like saying we could create a Burn Down Constitution City Party in your nation.

[Hantuonia]

do I have any say in this? (OOC)

[Southeast Marajarbia]

do I have any say in this? (OOC)

OOC: Not yet. You would have to sign up. Plus, you’ve been inactive since Late October.

[Hantuonia]

do I have any say in this? (OOC)

OOC: Not yet. You would have to sign up. Plus, you’ve been inactive since Late October.

Oh, there are sign ups? Thanks.

[Hantuonia]

do I have any say in this? (OOC)

OOC: Not yet. You would have to sign up. Plus, you’ve been inactive since Late October.

Oh, there are sign ups? Thanks.

[The Military State of the Galapagos]

OOC: Not yet. You would have to sign up. Plus, you’ve been inactive since Late October.

Oh, there are sign ups? Thanks.

OOC:Quick question, are we still allies?

[Hantuonia]

Oh, there are sign ups? Thanks.

OOC:Quick question, are we still allies?

Once your government dissolved and you guys became terrorists our ties took a heavy hit. But as you are slowly growing back into a nation so are our ties, so yes, we are still allies but not as close as we were.

[The Military State of the Galapagos]

OOC:Quick question, are we still allies?

Once your government dissolved and you guys became terrorists our ties took a heavy hit. But as you are slowly growing back into a nation so are our ties, so yes, we are still allies but not as close as we were.

OOC: Ok fair enough

[The Military State of the Galapagos]

Fred Edwards: “I reiterate, the Galapagos as a whole cannot violate this treaty, nor can articles that violate other articles be added. Article 1 allows for political parties regardless of origin or ideology to participate in the free and fair system known as the Democratic Process. Without a democratic process, what proof is there that the Galapagos under Galapagosian rule, especially in the past and present with the GLA, will be a democracy without a multi party system?”

And tell us why you think that foreign countries should be able to set up parties in our sovereign state? Is it because you still have ambitions in the Galapagos? I speak for the Galapagos population here when I say there is to be no more foreign influence in this country. The only way for you to win a single seat is to rig the elections again. This is like saying we could create a Burn Down Constitution City Party in your nation.

/bump