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Extreme Lag?

Postby Altmoras » Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:15 pm

Pretty much what the title says, my loadtimes are spiking between 50 and 35000 ms seemingly without rhyme or reason. Many others are currently experiencing the same thing. What's going on? Is the server hamster okay?
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Postby Quebecshire XL » Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:18 pm

Just wanted to also add to this issue the one of update length. Is there a particular reason or thing happening that has caused the last few updates to spike? An obscure server issue? Some update/new thing? Dunno, but it's definitely notable :P

Edit: To clarify, last major before this one came just shy of three hours, and minor was longer than two hours today, which is twice as long as normal for both of them.
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Postby Refuge Isle » Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:19 pm

Altmoras wrote:Pretty much what the title says, my loadtimes are spiking between 50 and 35000 ms seemingly without rhyme or reason. Many others are currently experiencing the same thing. What's going on? Is the server hamster okay?

Also worth mentioning that the last two updates took about twice as long as normal.

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Postby Merni18 » Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:48 pm

Refuge Isle wrote:
Altmoras wrote:Pretty much what the title says, my loadtimes are spiking between 50 and 35000 ms seemingly without rhyme or reason. Many others are currently experiencing the same thing. What's going on? Is the server hamster okay?

Also worth mentioning that the last two updates took about twice as long as normal.

And today, at 47 minutes since the start of update, we are where we would usually be about 10-12 minutes in. - Merni
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Postby CardFarmer55006079 » Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:57 pm

The lag after answering an issue is a serious problem: sometimes, it will just fail to load, the area in which the results of answering the issue end up blank.
If reloading, it say "issue already processed".
I wonder how many card packs I missed because of that?

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Postby Domais » Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:01 pm

CardFarmer55006079 wrote:The lag after answering an issue is a serious problem: sometimes, it will just fail to load, the area in which the results of answering the issue end up blank.
If reloading, it say "issue already processed".
I wonder how many card packs I missed because of that?

The issue was probably processed. You should check your deck to see if you have any up-opened packs.
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Postby Altmoras » Fri Dec 31, 2021 12:42 am

In related news, update is still going. The South Pacific, which typically updates about 100 minutes before now is currently updating and has been updating for the past 11 minutes.

That doesn't seem right.
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Fri Dec 31, 2021 1:09 am

If this is related to Cards Season 3 like some people are conspiring to think, methinks we need to focus on site stability before rolling that out.
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Postby Fauzjhia » Fri Dec 31, 2021 9:10 am

I've been experiencing this kind of lag as well
you answer an issues, and the page does not load. seeing if you get a pack aint hard.
but what interest me right now, is how the policy modify my stats, well. I can't see it

the server seem to have problem returning information.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sat Jan 01, 2022 7:16 am

Tim-Opolis wrote:If this is related to Cards Season 3 like some people are conspiring to think, methinks we need to focus on site stability before rolling that out.


That is unfounded speculation.

We're looking into the issue but I can tell you that it bears no relation to a new card season.
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Postby Durm » Sat Jan 01, 2022 9:25 am

I think the last 2 updates were almost normal.
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Postby Giraffeton » Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:43 pm

i tried opening a pack and it wouldn't load and so i tried reloading the page and doing it again but when it finally all loaded i had 10 extra cards and i'm pretty sure i only had one unopened pack
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Postby Fauzjhia » Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:41 pm

Giraffeton wrote:i tried opening a pack and it wouldn't load and so i tried reloading the page and doing it again but when it finally all loaded i had 10 extra cards and i'm pretty sure i only had one unopened pack


I saw this on two puppets.
this is certainly related to the server problem we see right now.
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Postby [violet] » Wed Jan 05, 2022 7:23 pm

Should be fixed now. A player decided to rent some Amazon servers to send 50GB worth of bot requests to the Challenge page.

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Postby Fauzjhia » Wed Jan 05, 2022 7:28 pm

Could this related to this bizarre I encountered a while ago

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1 the nation (Rouge Thy Bat has answered 4 issues, but it only received 3.... when this picture was taken, it had received issues 2, 14 and 20 hours ago.

I'm kinda wondering if this is related to this bot-using player.
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Postby Ankuran » Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:41 pm

[violet] wrote:Should be fixed now. A player decided to rent some Amazon servers to send 50GB worth of bot requests to the Challenge page.


Man, that's ridiculous.

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Postby Domais » Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:55 pm

Ankuran wrote:
[violet] wrote:Should be fixed now. A player decided to rent some Amazon servers to send 50GB worth of bot requests to the Challenge page.


Man, that's ridiculous.

My question is why the Challenge's page and will this fix major/minor lag?
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Postby Giraffeton » Wed Jan 05, 2022 9:05 pm

Domais wrote:
Ankuran wrote:
Man, that's ridiculous.

My question is why the Challenge's page and will this fix major/minor lag?

they want wins/points and yes it will fix lag as the NS servers are no longer busy dealing with challenge requests and can focus on other site requests
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Postby Panagouge » Wed Jan 05, 2022 9:55 pm

[violet] wrote:Should be fixed now. A player decided to rent some Amazon servers to send 50GB worth of bot requests to the Challenge page.

This certainly sounds like a series security gap in terms of site stability. Are there any plans or ideas to limit how much data's worth of requests can be sent to prevent this problem in the future?
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Postby [violet] » Wed Jan 05, 2022 11:44 pm

Panagouge wrote:Are there any plans or ideas to limit how much data's worth of requests can be sent to prevent this problem in the future?

I haven't in the past because (a) it means engaging in an endless arms race / game of whack-a-mole with people who have more free time than I do; and (b) I can't really believe that people can be so determined to earn meaningless Challenge points. But I probably should.

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Postby Giraffeton » Thu Jan 06, 2022 3:14 pm

i mean i do wonder who they are just so i can see how many wins and points they got....
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:11 pm

[violet] wrote:Should be fixed now. A player decided to rent some Amazon servers to send 50GB worth of bot requests to the Challenge page.

Still wildly unstable, [v].

15s expected trigger ran 70s, GCR updates in particular are incredibly unstable, mid-size (sub-300) UCRs taking over a minute to update. Server instability cost us a high-stakes liberation there.
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Postby Onionist Randosia » Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:29 pm

I have been having serious lag issues, not getting the stat changes from issues, unable to send TGs most of the time and also this weird bug where everything I type (not on the forums though) is struck through with random bbcodes. Any idea if there is an underlying problem? It is on all my alts to varying degrees as well
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Postby Harenhime » Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:41 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:
[violet] wrote:Should be fixed now. A player decided to rent some Amazon servers to send 50GB worth of bot requests to the Challenge page.

Still wildly unstable, [v].

15s expected trigger ran 70s, GCR updates in particular are incredibly unstable, mid-size (sub-300) UCRs taking over a minute to update. Server instability cost us a high-stakes liberation there.


For it to have "cost you" anything, you'd have to have had enough people jump in the first place, which you did not even with 69 seconds, much less 15 seconds. With number of bans and late moving liberators adjusted for a 15s trigger, it would have still been a roughly 20-40 endo gap.

Not to downplay the variance, it's just pretty disingenuous to present it as the make or break here.

....and triggers that close to a GCR are always hard, even when the site is healthy.
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Fri Jan 07, 2022 2:22 am

Harenhime wrote:
Tim-Opolis wrote:Still wildly unstable, [v].

15s expected trigger ran 70s, GCR updates in particular are incredibly unstable, mid-size (sub-300) UCRs taking over a minute to update. Server instability cost us a high-stakes liberation there.


For it to have "cost you" anything, you'd have to have had enough people jump in the first place, which you did not even with 69 seconds, much less 15 seconds. With number of bans and late moving liberators adjusted for a 15s trigger, it would have still been a roughly 20-40 endo gap.

Not to downplay the variance, it's just pretty disingenuous to present it as the make or break here.

....and triggers that close to a GCR are always hard, even when the site is healthy.


A Liberal Haven under the conditions we have been used to for months should not be taking a minute to update. By my count, it should be running ~30 seconds even with the number of produced happenings.

TRR, following a second glance at it all, actually ran relatively fine. Trigger should have been a 12s, nation went off 8s before TRR finished, something broke after TRR.

You're correct, we likely don't win that, but our beachhead is likely sitting at 110+ instead of ~70. That's absolutely enough of a difference to significantly cost us down the line. However, this isn't the place for posturing. You're not mistaken with your pointing out that it didn't directly cost us the operation, but I don't think we need to be deflecting IC talking points into a clear and blatant continued issue with site stability that Admin tends to be very uncommunicative on. I'll be better on that front too and be more objective with my statements.

Let's focus on the variance and site lag, shall we? I know those more involved with the raid experienced horrendous lagspikes on their Border Control rotations as well, this is something that's hurting both sides quite a bit.
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