[Abortion Thread] (POLL 4) A compromising position...

[Arlenton]

More electoral votes and congressional seats for Southern states.

Because the southern states wanted to maintain slavery.

Basic history facts. Thank you.

[Neutraligon]

Correct, they are forcing states to allow women the choice. No one in federal power is mandating women get an abortion.

And the point is?

Point being no one is forced to get an abortion, and what you advocate is attempting to force women not to have an abortion which will in turn kill more individuals, and permanently disable many more due to them having unsafe abortions.

[Neanderthaland]

Why does the fetus get the right to steal a women's body?

Rape is the more pressing problem.

Terrorism is the more pressing problem (you see how this doesn't actually address the point, and is stupid?)

[Sundiata]

Rape is the more pressing problem.

Terrorism is the more pressing problem (you see how this doesn't actually address the point, and is stupid?)

Rape doesn't make abortion right.

[Neutraligon]

Terrorism is the more pressing problem (you see how this doesn't actually address the point, and is stupid?)

Rape doesn't make abortion right.

Your comment on rape is pretty much irrelevant to abortion.

[Neanderthaland]

Terrorism is the more pressing problem (you see how this doesn't actually address the point, and is stupid?)

Rape doesn't make abortion right.

Another thing that has nothing at all to do with the point being made. People don't have the right to occupy other people's bodies without their consent. That applies to both the born and the unborn.

[Spirit of Hope]

Why does the fetus get the right to steal a women's body?

Rape is the more pressing problem.

Not to someone who wants to get an abortion. You didn't actually answer the question but instead deflected.

Second, who is being killed in the 99% of abortions that take place before the fetus even has a brain?

The embryo, that human being.

Embryo isn't a person. Doesn't have any ability to be a person.

[Arlenton]

I don't think that anyone has any right to an abortion. Abortion is not simply a woman's issue. It's an issue of killing.

Why does the fetus get the right to steal a women's body?

Second, who is being killed in the 99% of abortions that take place before the fetus even has a brain?

No one. But there are people currently, as in it is currently the law now, using federal power that is forcing state policy on abortion.

Right, forcing the states to let women have abortions. No one is forcing anyone to have abortions though. So no one is actually forcing you to do anything you don't want to do, they are just not letting you force other people to do something they don't want to do.

So again, why should you be able to dictate if someone else can or can't have an abortion?

The things others are trying to force me to do are outside of abortion and outside the scope of this thread, yet are very much by I support the McConnell court strategy.

As for abortion, I do oppose Roe on states' rights grounds. In the case of abortion, something I tend to believe should be legal, this is more of a "how the government(s) should function" issue to me as opposed to whether I think abortion should be legal or not.

[Sundiata]

Rape doesn't make abortion right.

Your comment on rape is pretty much irrelevant to abortion.

It's wrong to abort a pregnancy for being unwanted.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Your comment on rape is pretty much irrelevant to abortion.

It's wrong to abort a pregnancy for being unwanted.

Your opinion is unwanted.

[Sundiata]

It's wrong to abort a pregnancy for being unwanted.

Your opinion is unwanted.

Ok.

[Neanderthaland]

Your comment on rape is pretty much irrelevant to abortion.

It's wrong to abort a pregnancy for being unwanted.

Just constant non-sequiturs with you. Jesus. It's like talking to a bot.

[Arlenton]

Your comment on rape is pretty much irrelevant to abortion.

It's wrong to abort a pregnancy for being unwanted.

Maybe to some, not everyone.

[Sundiata]

Embryo isn't a person. Doesn't have any ability to be a person.

Why do you say that? That doesn't sound true.

[Spirit of Hope]

Why does the fetus get the right to steal a women's body?

Second, who is being killed in the 99% of abortions that take place before the fetus even has a brain?



Right, forcing the states to let women have abortions. No one is forcing anyone to have abortions though. So no one is actually forcing you to do anything you don't want to do, they are just not letting you force other people to do something they don't want to do.

So again, why should you be able to dictate if someone else can or can't have an abortion?

The things others are trying to force me to do are outside of abortion and outside the scope of this thread, yet are very much by I support the McConnell court strategy.

As for abortion, I do oppose Roe on states' rights grounds. In the case of abortion, something I tend to believe should be legal, this is more of a "how the government(s) should function" issue to me as opposed to whether I think abortion should be legal or not.

The government shouldn't take peoples rights away because it offends some people morality. You are directly arguing that the government should have the right to take peoples rights away because someone finds it objectionable and then turning around and complaining when someone is doing that to you.

Your comment on rape is pretty much irrelevant to abortion.

It's wrong to abort a pregnancy for being unwanted.

Doesn't answer why the fetus should be able to highjack a woman's body. You can believe something is morally wrong, that doesn't give you the right to deny other people the ability to do it.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Abolish the 2nd amendment because civvies with guns personally offends me lmao

[Sundiata]

Doesn't answer why the fetus should be able to highjack a woman's body. You can believe something is morally wrong, that doesn't give you the right to deny other people the ability to do it.

It absolutely does if I'm right.

[Spirit of Hope]

Embryo isn't a person. Doesn't have any ability to be a person.

Why do you say that? That doesn't sound true.

A fetus before 20 weeks (when 99% of abortions take place) doesn't have a brain. You require a brain to do things like breath or think or feel.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Doesn't answer why the fetus should be able to highjack a woman's body. You can believe something is morally wrong, that doesn't give you the right to deny other people the ability to do it.

It absolutely does if I'm right.

consider: Thinking that you are 100% right all the time is the sin of hubris.

[Sundiata]

It absolutely does if I'm right.

consider: Thinking that you are 100% right all the time is the sin of hubris.

I agree with that premise.

[Spirit of Hope]

Doesn't answer why the fetus should be able to highjack a woman's body. You can believe something is morally wrong, that doesn't give you the right to deny other people the ability to do it.

It absolutely does if I'm right.

I think Catholicism is immoral, should I be allowed to ban Catholicism?

[Sundiata]

Why do you say that? That doesn't sound true.

A fetus before 20 weeks (when 99% of abortions take place) doesn't have a brain. You require a brain to do things like breath or think or feel.

But some people can't do things like breath, or think or feel. These people should still have rights.

[Sundiata]

It absolutely does if I'm right.

I think Catholicism is immoral, should I be allowed to ban Catholicism?

If you're right, yes.

[Spirit of Hope]

A fetus before 20 weeks (when 99% of abortions take place) doesn't have a brain. You require a brain to do things like breath or think or feel.

But some people can't do things like breath, or think or feel. These people should still have rights.

A fetus has no brain, they are brain dead. Are you arguing that dead people should have more rights than living people?

I think Catholicism is immoral, should I be allowed to ban Catholicism?

If you're right, yes.

So how do you define "right?"

[Sundiata]

But some people can't do things like breath, or think or feel. These people should still have rights.

A fetus has no brain, they are brain dead. Are you arguing that dead people should have more rights than living people?

No, I'm arguing that brain-dead people should have the same rights as people who are not brain-dead.