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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:40 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:You write [snip Article d]. What if the conflict itself is over controls of the aid flows?

Unnecessary armed conflict is "organised armed conflict that neither serves to protect a member state from attack nor is necessary to prevent practices... that threaten the achievement of all sapient rights." While I understand that conflicts "over controls of the aid flows" may not necessarily fall under this description, why do you believe they should (or should not) be covered under Article d?

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Or if the aid flows are indirectly diverted by getting school funds, defunding the schools, then using the money for other things?

While I agree that member states should spend their budget as allocated rather than trying to artificially direct it all over the place, my proposal isn't quite there to solve that issue too :P

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Aid not some simplistic band-aid programme which can easily solve problems. It distorts domestic incentives and encourages rent-seeking. It is not some unalloyed good worth competing for (at least on the supply side; on the demand side people would kill to have a bite of it).

I am very much aware of your criticisms of foreign/humanitarian aid - I'm simply trying to regulate what it can and can't be used for :P
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Postby Thousand Branches » Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:09 pm

The Nectarine Coalition for the Universal Betterment of Penmanship (or NCUBP) wishes to extend to the author an index of edits for the improvement of this proposal. Here follows:



Tinhampton wrote:Believing that all inhabitants of member states should be able to benefit from the rights they possess (including the right to development), yet

Delete “be able to”.

An adjective for “the rights” would be recommended. Something like “natural” perhaps?

Tinhampton wrote:Recognising that all sapient rights are put in danger wherever unnecessary armed conflict occurs, and

The NCUBP would like to make a note that British spelling should be abolished due to the 10 minute argument that has just been held over the proper spelling of “recognizing” (OOC: Kidding… mostly).

Delete “all”.

“are put” —> “are often put”

Tinhampton wrote:Therefore seeking to disincentivise such conflict through means such as celebration, education and humanitarian aid regulation...

Delete “means such as”.

Admittedly, we’ve mostly agreed that “disincentivize” is also an odd word here. Perhaps you are discouraging or fighting back peacefully but I don’t think you’re necessarily removing an incentive for fighting, if so we’re happy to hear the explanation for it.

Tinhampton wrote:"development" means those non-violent acts taken with respect for sapient dignity which aim towards facilitating the achievement of all sapient rights,

“means those” —> “is defined as”

“which aim” —> “and aiming”

Delete “facilitating” and “all” (in “all sapient rights”).

Tinhampton wrote:“sustainable development" means development which also aims towards the long-term protection of the natural environment or the reduction of unnecessary armed conflict, and

“means” —> “is defined as”

“which also” —> “that additionally”

Tinhampton wrote:“unnecessary armed conflict" means organised armed conflict that neither serves to protect a member state from attack nor is necessary to prevent practices (such as terrorism, genocide, and other crimes against humanity) that threaten the achievement of all sapient rights.

“means” —> “is defined as”

Considering “armed conflict” is in the word defined, you should not also use it in the definition.

Parentheses stuff should instead be in em dashes.

Delete “all” in “all sapient rights”

Tinhampton wrote:The right to development: Members shall allow their inhabitants to engage in and benefit from development (including, in particular, sustainable development).

“Members” —> “Member states”

Parentheses wording can be pared down simply to “particularly sustainable development”.

Tinhampton wrote:Promotion of non-aggression: All members are encouraged to avoid unnecessary armed conflict.

“All members” —> “Member states”

Perhaps “encouraged” —> “heavily advised and encouraged” or something to that effect. Simply having “encouraged” feels too weak of wording.

Tinhampton wrote:Aid for peace: Donors of humanitarian aid within member states shall not tie its use to the perpetuation of unnecessary armed conflict. Recipients of humanitarian aid within member states shall not use it to perpetuate unnecessary armed conflict, and are further urged to use it for its specified purpose and for the benefit of as many of their inhabitants as possible.

The NCUBP has agreed unanimously to a rewrite of this clause:

Peaceful aid: Humanitarian aid within member states shall never be tied to or used for the perpetuation of unnecessary armed conflict, and member states are urged to use humanitarian aid for its assigned use or for the benefit of as many of their inhabitants as possible.”

Tinhampton wrote:Education: Members are strongly urged to educate all of their inhabitants about the relationship between peace, sustainable development, and sapient rights, and the important role that each of these factors play in helping to protect the other two.

Delete “all of”

“relationship” —> “relationships”

The comma after “sapient rights” should be a semicolon.

Tinhampton wrote:Peace Prize: The World Assembly Peace Prize (hereinafter the Prize) is established. To that effect, the WA Commission on Human Rights is tasked with:

(OOC: Not the WAPP ;-;)

Tinhampton wrote:receiving nominations for the Prize from anyone who works as a head of state or government, legislator, or professor in any member state, in addition to any leaders of member state delegations to the World Assembly; and disregarding nominations with the effect of such individuals nominating themselves, the entity who directly employs them or any other person currently being employed by that entity for the Prize,

Another unanimously agreed upon rewrite:

“receiving nominations for the Prize from any head of a member state or their delegation to the World Assembly, as well as any legislator or professor; and disregarding nominations with the effect of such individuals nominating themselves, the entity who directly employs them or any other person currently being employed by that entity.”

Tinhampton wrote: awarding the Prize each year to that person or group of people resident in any member state who has been nominated in accordance with Article f(i) (although nothing in this section requires that all such nominees be awarded the Prize),

Delete parentheses and replace “although” with “, noting especially that”.

Tinhampton wrote:basing its decision to award the Prize to any given person or group solely on whether, in its view, they have:

“given person” —> “nominated person”

Tinhampton wrote:demonstrably contributed more than any other such person or group in the previous year to the resolution or prevention of major conflicts between and within nations which involved or could have realistically involved large-scale acts of violence,

“between and within” —> “between or within”

Editors Note: If the nominee has to have contributed more than “any other nominee”, does that suggest that only one person can win the award every year?

Tinhampton wrote:made such contributions while respecting all sapient rights protected by international law, as well as avoiding violence and the perpetuation of war crimes, and

“violence and” —> “violence or”

Tinhampton wrote:worked towards the universal, non-violent promotion and achievement of all sapient rights while doing so,

This clause is the same as the last clause, yes? Curious why this is here.

Tinhampton wrote:rewarding (each of) the winner(s) of the Prize in each year with a gold-plated silver medal weighing one ounce and measuring one-and-a-half inches in diameter, which shall have on its obverse the words "WA PEACE PRIZE - WITH PEACE COMES FREEDOM" surrounding the logo of the World Assembly, and on its reverse nothing, and

“reverse nothing” —> “reverse, nothing”

Tinhampton wrote:rescinding the status of any Prize winner as such (which may include ordering the return of any rewards bestowed upon them under Article f(iv) to it) if, in its view, they have carried out acts that are contrary to the intentions of Article f(iii).

“they have” —> “that winner has”



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Postby Tinhampton » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:48 am

D-A Smith is very much not a fan of the Coalition's proposed edits. (In light of its comments, however, Smith is seriously considering limiting the award of the Prize in any given year to no more than two - or perhaps three - people or organisations.)

The last two parts of Article f(iii) are not identical. It is possible to carry out an action that does not infringe upon sapient rights yet is not carried out for the purpose of promoting sapient rights either.
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Postby Thousand Branches » Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:21 am

Tinhampton wrote:D-A Smith is very much not a fan of the Coalition's proposed edits. (In light of its comments, however, Smith is seriously considering limiting the award of the Prize in any given year to no more than two - or perhaps three - people or organisations.)

The last two parts of Article f(iii) are not identical. It is possible to carry out an action that does not infringe upon sapient rights yet is not carried out for the purpose of promoting sapient rights either.

Was it the British spelling comment? :p Kidding, kidding. In full seriousness, it does seem then like you could probably combine those two into one considering they are the same subject? Perhaps that would make it too complicated idk :p
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:16 am

Tinhampton wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:You write [snip Article d]. What if the conflict itself is over controls of the aid flows?

Unnecessary armed conflict is "organised armed conflict that neither serves to protect a member state from attack nor is necessary to prevent practices... that threaten the achievement of all sapient rights." While I understand that conflicts "over controls of the aid flows" may not necessarily fall under this description, why do you believe they should (or should not) be covered under Article d?

It's your proposal. Why do you think humanitarian aid flows should be permitted to continue if the cause of the killing is the aid flows themselves? If the trolley is coming to run over five people would let it go?

Tinhampton wrote:While I agree that member states should spend their budget as allocated rather than trying to artificially direct it all over the place, my proposal isn't quite there to solve that issue too :P
...
I am very much aware of your criticisms of foreign/humanitarian aid - I'm simply trying to regulate what it can and can't be used for :P

You want to make a prize for... stuff... that nobody can have or observe. Surely the prize would be related to the riders. Cf whole-text canon. But if you really want them not to be, remove the prize.

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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:02 am

My proposal does not regulate in general whether any country should or should not grant humanitarian aid to any other country. :P

Still aiming to submit next week =P
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Postby Bananaistan » Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:47 pm

OOC: The issue with the definition of development and how it turns sections b and e into word salad remains.
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Postby Tinhampton » Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:20 am

I'm not entirely convinced myself :P

And with that, we are Proposal-A-Go-Go
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Postby Apatosaurus » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:22 am

Voting for solely because of the thread title.
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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:25 am

This proposal is - as aforementioned - in queue and will almost certainly be voted on between the major updates of Sunday 5th December and Thursday 9th December.

AS OF 1515 GMT ON SUNDAY: Approvals: 92 out of 59 needed (Tinhampton, Lenlyvit, Dabberwocky, Penguin Dictators, Albrook, Krovx Indochina, Oost-Suid-Afrika, Trovons, Enlais, Tevaris, The Flyin, Jean Rowe, Taki Calxur, The Scottish Republic, Mikeswill, Potenzia, Onionist Randosia, Polomon Islands, Sedgistan, The Finntopian Empire, Particle, Cadmy, Niveusium, USS Juneau, Aalorv, Creeperopolis, Tyslonia, Recycling Bins, Baloo Kingdom, Free Liberties, The Communists of the Multiversal Empire, Silver-Tree, The Greastest Nation, Kokhestan, Stonehave, Wallacia Ki, Koslovenia, Goatia, Reultan, East Indonesia, Libonesia, Wisea, Cheries, Willtechia, Viktorovitch, The Free Northern Isles, Juice Elijah Tentacion, Gloriuous Mother Russia, Bearded Dragones, The Eurasian SFSR, Fachumonn, Treadwellia, Fluvannia, Fsdh E, Estathuania, Edmundian Pluto, Pasaistan, Amerion, Roudeleiw, Komrat, Arkilandic, Natit Vakkazi, Technocratic Terra, Elyrethusa, Baccalieu, Denathor, Ceneopia Hana, Zombiedolphins, Wischland, Tutattis, Embreydo, The Isles of Bermuda, Novum Orientis, Laketovia, Killzone35, Calnodia, Kharkiania, Bayin, Fartaholic, Zeiling, Borrin Quen, Stonlos, Gumeus, WinkyMaster, South Boston Irishmen, Kingdom of Englands, Johill, Candanadium, Sailiopia, Omniabstracta, Teschnaia, Islan Messh)

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Greetings, delegate. Today, I ask that you support Peace and Sustainable Development.

My proposal would establish a World Assembly Peace Prize, to be awarded every year to the person or group that has done the most to peacefully prevent violence while promoting sapient rights.

It would also enshrine a right to development - by which all inhabitants of member states may work towards and benefit from the achievement of all sapient rights - into international law.

Many people in our world today value and believe in sapient rights and peace. If you consider yourself one of those people, I hope that you will approve Peace and Sustainable Development.

Thank you,
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I remain increasingly confident that most people can and do want a World Assembly Peace Prize.
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Postby Princess Rainbow Sparkles » Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:20 am

What happened to Morover?

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Postby Tinhampton » Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:06 am

Princess Rainbow Sparkles wrote:What happened to Morover?

Naturally CTEd. He's logged into Discord a few times in recent days for some reason but remains pretty quiet over there.
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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:36 pm

I'm going to get an early night tonight - alas - but this has been approved by about 10.7% of delegates and will be voted on at the times I stated earlier (i.e. in three-and-a-half hours). Now I'm making myself think about not getting an early night. Goddamnit.

AS OF 0135 GMT ON SUNDAY: Approvals: 105 out of 60 needed (Tinhampton, Dabberwocky, Penguin Dictators, Albrook, Krovx Indochina, Oost-Suid-Afrika, Trovons, Enlais, Tevaris, The Flyin, Jean Rowe, Taki Calxur, The Scottish Republic, Mikeswill, Potenzia, Onionist Randosia, Polomon Islands, Sedgistan, The Finntopian Empire, Particle, Cadmy, Niveusium, USS Juneau, Aalorv, Creeperopolis, Tyslonia, Baloo Kingdom, Free Liberties, The Communists of the Multiversal Empire, Silver-Tree, The Greastest Nation, Stonehave, Koslovenia, Goatia, Reultan, Libonesia, Wisea, Cheries, Willtechia, Viktorovitch, The Free Northern Isles, Juice Elijah Tentacion, Bearded Dragones, The Eurasian SFSR, Fachumonn, Treadwellia, Fluvannia, Fsdh E, Estathuania, Edmundian Pluto, Pasaistan, Amerion, Roudeleiw, Komrat, Arkilandic, Technocratic Terra, Elyrethusa, Baccalieu, Denathor, Ceneopia Hana, Zombiedolphins, Wischland, Tutattis, Embreydo, The Isles of Bermuda, Novum Orientis, Laketovia, Killzone35, Calnodia, Bayin, Fartaholic, Zeiling, Borrin Quen, Stonlos, Gumeus, WinkyMaster, South Boston Irishmen, Kingdom of Englands, Johill, Candanadium, Sailiopia, Omniabstracta, Teschnaia, Islan Messh, Socialization, United Zephation, Social Democracy of Indochina, Carie Neopitzia, Telgan Alpha, The Age of Utopia, Benngal, Seveshka, Auxorii, Democratic anti veganist state, Telperian, The Tinfields, Candensia, Etoile Arcture, Foreignaid, Josephtan, Setne, Chairman Cities, Mardatan, Free Woritanarbio Islands, TexJeeps)
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Postby Milorum » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:09 pm

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The Europeian Ministry of World Assembly Affairs recommends a vote AGAINST the General Assembly Resolution, "Peace And Sustainable Development".
Its reasoning may be found here.

Greater Cesnica's Europeian nation.

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Postby Sonakion » Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:46 am

This is not a bad resolution. It makes sense it's well made and would benefit world relations. So why am I against it?
It's simple war is fun big military is fun nation states is intended to be fun and this proposal would make nation states more boring so i vote against.

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Postby Honeydewistania » Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:49 am

Sonakion wrote:This is not a bad resolution. It makes sense it's well made and would benefit world relations. So why am I against it?
It's simple war is fun big military is fun nation states is intended to be fun and this proposal would make nation states more boring so i vote against.


This is the only correct against take.


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Postby Honeydewistania » Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:56 am

Milorum wrote:
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The Europeian Ministry of World Assembly Affairs recommends a vote AGAINST the General Assembly Resolution, "Peace And Sustainable Development".
Its reasoning may be found here.


"This is definitely one of the more moronic takes I've read in my time here. Our proposal is so utterly useless, what are you doing about it? Sitting on your arse and cranking out terrible opinions whilst receiving your million dollar salary of taxpayer money. Me? I'm over here, sitting on my arse and cranking out this proposal that almost does something, whilst receiving my million dollar salary of course. But it's better than nothing.

People these days. Sheesh."


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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:57 am

Notwithstanding what Honeydew said :P, I note that the following line in the common core WALL recommendation:
And the idea that a nation with opportunity to maximise its power would reconsider its aggressive tendencies merely because people taught them about peace is naive at best.

very much minimises what Article e actually does:
Members are strongly urged to educate all of their inhabitants about the relationship between peace, sustainable development, and sapient rights, and the important role that each of these factors play in helping to protect the other two.
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Postby Ichirokuhachi » Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:08 am

The Commonwealth of Ichirokuhachi respectfully positions itself AGAINST the proposition.
Sovereignty and order must be protected, and disarmament only weakens the established state to rogue forces operating outside our moral and legal laws, our delegation opines that promoting and incentivizing disarmament is not the correct solution.
Armed conflict is sometimes necessary, but the Commonwealth commends the proposition for its noble intent of perpetuating peace through the eradication of ignorance and the promotion of knowledge regarding the relationship between peace, development, and rights.
However, these methods are only possible in the presence of peace, which only the threat of arms keeps intact.
We believe any movement towards global disarmament is a movement away from keeping peace.
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Postby Rosmana » Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:48 am

The government of my nation is against this so I voted against, maybe if there was a lasting peace things would be different, but there isn't.
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Apeiros Evimeria
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Postby Apeiros Evimeria » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:34 am

Bananaistan wrote:"While we are pleased that fomenting communist revolution is excluded from the section 1 definition, we're still opposed. This is all needless frippery and a waste of precious and limited funds."


I disagree. It seems that these resolutions, should they come to pass, would instead effectivley encourage and enforce world peace and sustainability.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:43 am

Apeiros Evimeria wrote:
Bananaistan wrote:"While we are pleased that fomenting communist revolution is excluded from the section 1 definition, we're still opposed. This is all needless frippery and a waste of precious and limited funds."


I disagree. It seems that these resolutions, should they come to pass, would instead effectivley encourage and enforce world peace and sustainability.

"No, it would create a system of political patronage where individuals acting out state interests are gilded in the pagentry of a" peace prize" rather than putting those resources to an actual, common goal. I mentioned it before and I will continue to point out to anybody so naive as to buy into this tripe: this policy will give warlords, oligarchs, and imperialists to cover their crimes in a veneer of legitimacy and engage in rank tokenism. This proposed system guarantees that government powers will have an effective tool to contrast their "good" acts against identical acts by geopolitical or ideological opponents. The author has proposed a propaganda system, not a pathway to peace. The World Assembly should act out those specific policies it wishes to see, not hand out prizes to good lackeys who tried to meet the brief."

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Postby Figu » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:42 am

"The United Republic of Figu opposes this for multiple reasons. Between the tacit acceptance of communist attacks as acceptable, due to section 1 (more on that later), and the encouragement to disarm, when we are currently in the middle of a war. It allows communists to attack whomever they want in the name of "Liberation" when all they will do is oppress, by necessity due to Marxist doctrine. Along with that, our society is highly militaristic due to the circumstances of our founding, and we cannot simply abandon our heritage of revolution and liberty in the name of a futile dream of world peace. In conclusion, we find this proposal to be unacceptable, especially in regards to the lack of protections for wartime nations like ours. Also, the Peace Prize is completely unnecessary, and the words engraved on it are decidedly false. Peace does not breed freedom."

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Postby Desmosthenes and Burke » Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:47 am

Iulia looked up in slight alarm as her newest intern brought in a rather disheveled looking man in a loincloth, whom she quickly recognized as an actor from a well-known car insurance commercial. Before she could ask said intern what, in the name of Minerva he was thinking he passed over a missive from the Centuriate. She read it quickly and sighed. "Oh, fine then. Our government has asked Ugg the Caveman to deliver its opinion on this nonsense," she said with a clear tone of exasperation before pushing "Ugg" to the microphone.

"Ugg caveman. Ugg very dumb. This more dumb. Ugg say please no pass thing if Ugg smarter than thing. Ugg go club baby seal now."

OOC: The IRL Nobel "Peace" prize is hardly something we should try to emulate, and this is, if anything, worse.
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Postby Caymarnia » Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:22 pm

Having reviewed the resolution with the Council of Ministers and the National Council of the People's Will, we find it presumptuous and offensive that the author of the resolution has taken it upon themselves to judge what armed conflicts are deemed "unnecessary", and offers only a paltry piece of metal and international head-patting as the only reward for living within their prescribed parameters. A number of prominent officials in our government - including myself, the President, and the Chair of the Council of Ministers - are military veterans, and our government came to power as the result of a violent revolution initiated with the consent of the people.

I wish to note that in the official record of the debate, the Chair of the Council of Ministers in particular has described this entire resolution as a "pile of festering idealistic bollocks dreamed up by some hippie on an acid trip", among other phrases that are not suitable for a diplomatic audience. The President of the Republic also weighed in on the topic, stating that "sometimes peace can only be found on the other side of war, and no amount of hand-wringing or offers of participation trophies in the World Kumbaya Festival will change that."

With the unanimous vote of both the Council of Ministers and the National Council of the People's Will, Caymarnia votes against.
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