UK Politics Thread IX: Try turning the UK off and on again.

[United states 34]

Limmy's based take on the super important issue of British zoomers adopting gopnik-resembling '90s tracksuits

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

go join the British Marxist Party ersumthing instead of voting for Priti "Starve the Irish" Patel.

If I was going to go in for a third party i'd make my own mate. But i'm not going to do that.

so you are voting for Priti "Starve the Irish" Patel in the hopes of convincing her not to starve you to death. does it work?

[Hukhalia]

If I was going to go in for a third party i'd make my own mate. But i'm not going to do that.

so you are voting for Priti "Starve the Irish" Patel in the hopes of convincing her not to starve you to death. does it work?

hey don't knock it, priti patel is providing some really important minority transylvanian representation

[Ostroeuropa]

Conservatives i've spoken to are keen on market socialism as an experiment and i'd wager they'd be fine with drafting up laws to help codify businesses that wanted to do it. If only to dunk on the left and t-pose at them.

1. "conservatives i've spoken to" <--- not an argument lol

2. it's nigh-impossible to formulate revolutionary strategy through bottom-up acquisition of the means of production via worker co-operatives; if only because they fail to take decisive hold of the large fundamental economic infrastructure which remains in the hands of the bourgeois state or bourgeoisie proper.

1. Ofcourse it's an argument if you're actually doing something other than arguing on the internet. How do you think Politics works mate? I'm actually fairly involved in discussing shit with the local tory party and know several members, I attended their meeting on environmentalism by invitation to discuss different perspectives with them and so on. I've been to more Tory social events than Labour ones by this point purely as a result of my local party being full of wokeists and blairites. They actively want me to join. Their opinions on these issues is obviously relevant because at the end of the day we're talking about convincing a room full of 5 or 10 or so (because attendence is just that dismal) people that market socialism is a good shout and compatible with Toryism and they should badger their MP to do it.

2. It would aid in increasing consciousness.

[Kerwa]

2. it's nigh-impossible to formulate revolutionary strategy through bottom-up acquisition of the means of production via worker co-operatives; if only because they fail to take decisive hold of the large fundamental economic infrastructure which remains in the hands of the bourgeois state or bourgeoisie proper.

Co-ops are dead good in and of themselves. They should be set up anyway, regardless of larger purpose.

[Hukhalia]

1. "conservatives i've spoken to" <--- not an argument lol

2. it's nigh-impossible to formulate revolutionary strategy through bottom-up acquisition of the means of production via worker co-operatives; if only because they fail to take decisive hold of the large fundamental economic infrastructure which remains in the hands of the bourgeois state or bourgeoisie proper.

1. Ofcourse it's an argument if you're actually doing something other than arguing on the internet. How do you think Politics works mate? I'm actually fairly involved in discussing shit with the local tory party and know several members, I attended their meeting on environmentalism by invitation to discuss different perspectives with them and so on. I've been to more Tory social events than Labour ones by this point purely as a result of my local party being full of wokeists and blairites. They actively want me to join. Their opinions on these issues is obviously relevant because at the end of the day we're talking about convincing a room full of 5 or 10 or so (because attendence is just that dismal) people that market socialism is a good shout and compatible with Toryism and they should badger their MP to do it.

2. It would aid in increasing consciousness.

1. when talking of society at large we cannot take your (alleged) experiences in the party meetings you (allegedly) went to which do not necessarily represent the opinions of all conservatives in the country

2. expound

[Ostroeuropa]

1. Ofcourse it's an argument if you're actually doing something other than arguing on the internet. How do you think Politics works mate? I'm actually fairly involved in discussing shit with the local tory party and know several members, I attended their meeting on environmentalism by invitation to discuss different perspectives with them and so on. I've been to more Tory social events than Labour ones by this point purely as a result of my local party being full of wokeists and blairites. They actively want me to join. Their opinions on these issues is obviously relevant because at the end of the day we're talking about convincing a room full of 5 or 10 or so (because attendence is just that dismal) people that market socialism is a good shout and compatible with Toryism and they should badger their MP to do it.

2. It would aid in increasing consciousness.

1. when talking of society at large we cannot take your (alleged) experiences in the party meetings you (allegedly) went to which do not necessarily represent the opinions of all conservatives in the country

2. expound

1. But I am discussing my personal decision to join the Tory party, not abstract national trends divorced from my personal experiences.

2. Workers organizing themselves to run their own businesses daily would fairly straightforwardly increase class consciousness through practicing the principles of socialism.

[Vassenor]

OK, I'm going to level with you.

This shit right here, where you infantilise men and act like they're being corrupted and harmed by the lack of "traditional" masculine role models on TV? That's toxic masculinty in action. And it's fucking disgusting that the self-described MRA is going to reduce men to base urges like that.

[Dystopian Florida]

OK, I'm going to level with you.

This shit right here, where you infantilise men and act like they're being corrupted and harmed by the lack of "traditional" masculine role models on TV? That's toxic masculinty in action. And it's fucking disgusting that the self-described MRA is going to reduce men to base urges like that.

Some trad cons (and sit coms) do infantilize men, just as feminism infantilizes women and seeks to give them equal rights without equal responsibility.

[Vassenor]

OK, I'm going to level with you.

This shit right here, where you infantilise men and act like they're being corrupted and harmed by the lack of "traditional" masculine role models on TV? That's toxic masculinty in action. And it's fucking disgusting that the self-described MRA is going to reduce men to base urges like that.

Some trad cons (and sit coms) do infantilize men, just as feminism infantilizes women and seeks to give them equal rights without equal responsibility.

Not sure where feminists are shirking equal responsibility.

[Ostroeuropa]

OK, I'm going to level with you.

This shit right here, where you infantilise men and act like they're being corrupted and harmed by the lack of "traditional" masculine role models on TV? That's toxic masculinty in action. And it's fucking disgusting that the self-described MRA is going to reduce men to base urges like that.

Where did you get the idea that i'm saying they're corrupted by a lack of traditional masculine roles?

[Incelastan]

Some trad cons (and sit coms) do infantilize men, just as feminism infantilizes women and seeks to give them equal rights without equal responsibility.

Not sure where feminists are shirking equal responsibility.

Insisting that they "are the table" while demanding that men still pay the full dating tab is among examples. Also, when she cheats, it's his fault, but when he cheats, it's also his fault. Can't take responsibility or accountability. Men can be objectified, but women can't. Men can be body shamed. Women can't. Men can be slut-shamed. Women can't. Women get lighter prison sentences on average. Women can have dating standards, but men can't. Jokes about men being raped are kosher with pop culture. Jokes about women provoke performative outrage, of course. The list goes on. Female tyrants in history are excused, but male tyrants are different that way. If Hitler was a woman, they would shout "slay, queen" in approval of the Second World War and everything. Deadbeat moms are ignored, while many dads are labeled deadbeats when they can't pay the unrealistic demands of the court. And are denied access to their children in the meantime. Social media censor's men's groups, but not women's. Male-only spaces are considered sexist, but not female-only.

The list is inexhaustible. Rules for thee, not for me. Feminists want equal rights, but not equal duties. They want supremacy, often framed as "equity," not equality.

[Vassenor]

Not sure where feminists are shirking equal responsibility.

Insisting that they "are the table" while demanding that men still pay the full dating tab is among examples. Also, when she cheats, it's his fault, but when he cheats, it's also his fault. Can't take responsibility or accountability. Men can be objectified, but women can't. Men can be body shamed. Women can't. Men can be slut-shamed. Women can't. Women get lighter prison sentences on average. Women can have dating standards, but men can't. Jokes about men being raped are kosher with pop culture. Jokes about women provoke performative outrage, of course. The list goes on. Female tyrants in history are excused, but male tyrants are different that way. If Hitler was a woman, they would shout "slay, queen" in approval of the Second World War and everything. Deadbeat moms are ignored, while many dads are labeled deadbeats when they can't pay the unrealistic demands of the court. And are denied access to their children in the meantime. Social media censor's men's groups, but not women's. Male-only spaces are considered sexist, but not female-only.

The list is inexhaustible. Rules for thee, not for me. Feminists want equal rights, but not equal duties. They want supremacy, often framed as "equity," not equality.

Meanwhile, in reality…

[Incelastan]

Insisting that they "are the table" while demanding that men still pay the full dating tab is among examples. Also, when she cheats, it's his fault, but when he cheats, it's also his fault. Can't take responsibility or accountability. Men can be objectified, but women can't. Men can be body shamed. Women can't. Men can be slut-shamed. Women can't. Women get lighter prison sentences on average. Women can have dating standards, but men can't. Jokes about men being raped are kosher with pop culture. Jokes about women provoke performative outrage, of course. The list goes on. Female tyrants in history are excused, but male tyrants are different that way. If Hitler was a woman, they would shout "slay, queen" in approval of the Second World War and everything. Deadbeat moms are ignored, while many dads are labeled deadbeats when they can't pay the unrealistic demands of the court. And are denied access to their children in the meantime. Social media censor's men's groups, but not women's. Male-only spaces are considered sexist, but not female-only.

The list is inexhaustible. Rules for thee, not for me. Feminists want equal rights, but not equal duties. They want supremacy, often framed as "equity," not equality.

Meanwhile, in reality…

Is that what you call your imagination? How cute.

[Vassenor]

Meanwhile, in reality…

Is that what you call your imagination? How cute.

I mean how else am I supposed to describe that screed other than divorced from reality?

[Incelastan]

Is that what you call your imagination? How cute.

I mean how else am I supposed to describe that screed other than divorced from reality?

The feeling is mutual.

[Vassenor]

I mean how else am I supposed to describe that screed other than divorced from reality?

The feeling is mutual.

I mean it is telling that you can’t show these positions actually being argued for by feminists. Just screaming them at the void and demanding we accept them as objective fact.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

At this rate we probs have to throw Vassenor and Ostro et al in a gladiator ring some day.

[Albrenia]

I wonder when the anti-feminists will learn that they actually do have some valid points, but that coating everything in a thick layer of 'they want to RULE us! Bad Femoids!!11!!!' just makes the whole goddamn thing a laughingstock.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

meanwhile in other news
27 year old unvaccinated drops dead from... *drumroll* COVID19
Patel thinks the French will help her with flammenwerfering the xenos
and the africans are being blamed for the latest variant

[The Huskar Social Union]

It does say something about Nick Fletcher's argument though when his examples are Ghostbusters, James Bond, Doctor Who, Luke Skywalker and The Equaliser are his cultural examples for this - outside of Luke Skywalker (and Luke and Rey are two entirely different characters so he was stretching a fucking ton here), none of these characters or properties are ones that engage young people - who are way more likely to cite YouTubers and other influencers as role models to themselves.

The Equaliser is especially laughable. Is the 2021 reboot of the 2014 reboot problematic as it deprives young boys of a role model but the 2014 reboot of the 1980s tv series not problematic despite it depriving young white boys of a role model by changing the character from a white male to a black one? If not, why not?

When Jodie Whittaker became the Doctor i lost all control of my senses and battered a granny after robbing a library

true story

[Mayhem Era Anglo-America]

Recasting the Equalizer was a crime in itself (nothing against any particular actors). That being said, it doesn't justify violence and mayhem, the very sort of thing that Robert McCall (Edward Woodward) would have quashed. No excuses.

Just as there would be no excuses for female perps if their niche films (such as Titanic, a truly horrid film, by the way) were remade and they reacted with flash mobs or something like that.

[The Nihilistic view]

No I'm not experimenting with market socialism.

[Vystercia-Nasucrea]

Market socialism sounds nice on paper, but give me social democracy any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

[-Astoria-]

meanwhile in other news
27 year old unvaccinated drops dead from... *drumroll* COVID19
Patel thinks the French will help her with flammenwerfering the xenos
and the africans are being blamed for the latest variant

Of course.

Market socialism sounds nice on paper, but give me social democracy any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

This; but get ready to have about five million complaints that because of that, you want to exploit the global south.