Bill Maher blames gaming, beards and bad attire for "incels"

[Ethel mermania]

You shouldn't be encouraging polar bears to think they are special.

Indeed, it might result in white bear supremacy.

Making the brown and black bears shit in the woods while they do this

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Bastards

[The Archregimancy]

Allow me to introduce you to the Pope of the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria, Tawadros II

Just to confuse matters the Eastern Orthodox Pope and Patriarch of the Great City of Alexandria is called Theodore II.

Also, polar bears do not typically defecate in woodland environments.

That's it, pack it in. We can now retire that cliche for ever. Archregimancy is doin' gods work on the interwebs.

Alas, God is blind to senseless cliches.

It's a test, no doubt.

[Esternial]

Late night talk show host does bad take possibly as an attempt at humor. Audience either laughs awkwardly or doesn't at all.

In other news, water is wet, the pope is catholic, bears shit in the woods and I'm smart.

Allow me to introduce you to the Pope of the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria, Tawadros II

Just to confuse matters the Eastern Orthodox Pope and Patriarch of the Great City of Alexandria is called Theodore II.

Also, polar bears do not typically defecate in woodland environments.

Also something being "wet" is an attribute for solids. Water is not a solid - except when frozen. So water isn't always wet.

[Saiwania]

No, I fucking don't. Sai, you don't know my financial situation, so don't sit there and lecture me with your braindead Dickensian fantasies.

I don't mean to come across as telling you that you personally, need to live below your means; just that generally speaking- it is the only approach that works mathematically. All of the financial planners and fiduciaries out there more or less want people to either save more than they can spend or fully utilize the various investment/retirement vehicles like IRAs, 401ks, and etc. to eventually have enough money set aside to be able to retire at a later date.

There is bankruptcy, inflation, unreliable governments, and lots of things in the world to contend with that can threaten people's wealth or economic future. If you don't have at least a few million or have more passive income than you annually use, chances are people flat out can't retire or won't get a pension that'd comfortably allow for that.

A person is screwed if they can't work anymore but wind up still not having saved or earned enough to support themself until death. That is why most people at least need to have a mortgage paid off, so that at least they'd have some real estate that appreciates in value or a property with which they can be a landlord with and live off of rental income.

[Bear Stearns]

Bill Maher once insinuated that comic books were responsible for Trump’s election. Do you really think his opinion on this matters?

the soyed up comic book crowd definitely did not vote for trump. he's basically the villain from the capeshit movies to them

also superman is gay affirming and captain america hates nazis, dont you know

[Arlenton]

Bill Maher is the most based progressive.

[Ifreann]

Bill Maher is the most based progressive.

Bill Maher isn't a progressive.

[Arlenton]

Bill Maher is the most based progressive.

Bill Maher isn't a progressive.

Really? He seems like it from what I've seen from him.

[Dakini]

You're literally arguing with a pregnant woman right now.

Pregnancy itself isn't "a significant commitment". Grad school was more of a significant commitment than pregnancy alone is. Not being able to drink booze or (much) coffee or eat certain delicious cheeses for a few months isn't nearly as hard as writing my thesis was. Obviously parenting is an enormous commitment, but parenting is a shared commitment. Parenting is something that will affect my life much more than being pregnant (assuming I survive and all that anyway).

So yes, please continue to explain pregnancy and how pregnant women feel about things to me while I'm being kicked by a fetus. As far as it goes, being pregnant is mostly weird and is becoming increasingly uncomfortable, but it will be over in not too long, actually.

Congrats.

Please never tell them about nsg in 13 years

Thanks! I'm not super worried about the teenage years as that's a ways away, but my impression is that telling a teenager about something one of their parents participates in often results in said teenager avoiding it...

You're literally arguing with a pregnant woman right now.

Nice Congrats, good luck, and enjoy every minute of it!

Thanks! I'd probably enjoy it more if I wasn't in Romania.

You're literally arguing with a pregnant woman right now.

Allow me to be the latest to offer my congratulations.

If you're still taking baby name suggestions, how about 'Thrungor the Magnificent, Despoiler of Souls'?

Thanks! We hadn't been thinking about "Thungor the Magnificent, Despoiler of Souls" for a name. I think it might cause issues with paperwork given the length and presence of a comma (we're avoiding punctuation and special characters to save the poor kid from paperwork nightmares).

[GuessTheAltAccount]

So what? Is the point of this thread you discovering that people aren't always honest?

No, it's to note that those claiming to value "rehabilitation" of criminals; at least in Canada; are especially two-faced.

Have you considered looking on Google?

It says there is some leniency for teenage fathers. It doesn't say how much leniency.

Seeing as how there are news stories about deadbeat dads who are actually "dead-broke dads"; and seeing as how the average person's first instinct when this is pointed out isn't to say "that's not going to happen" but rather to say the aforementioned "shoulda coulda woulda never did no gooda"; and seeing as how the laws are crafted on behalf of the same plurality of voters who had this caricatured image of fathers walking out on mothers they promised to stay with and not of mothers who assured him she wouldn't keep the baby then dragging him into poverty after changing her mind; then I'm skeptical by default that there is enough leniency to allow a teenage father to still pursue his dream of being a doctor or engineer and not have to drop out to work to pay child support.

If you have something more specific, please feel free to invoke it. Even if you have it, it's thus far your own side's fault I don't believe them.

I don't understand your question.

See above.

Because the guy's attempt to avoid poverty is damaging the lives of two other people, one of whom he helped create. That's why people condemn it.
If you think I want abortion criminalized or worship free markets, you're far off.

I didn't say that about you in particular.

However, the same plurality of voters that worships the free market calls it hypocritical not to allow abortion rights without making child-rearing more affordable, even though it's on behalf of said market-worshipping public that we've allowed child-rearing to become so prohibitively expensive in the first place. Yes, it's possible they're sincere that it's the 9-month burden of pregnancy, not the 18-year burden of parenting, that makes the difference between defensible as a right and not. But one side-effect of this is that freeing them from the 9-month burden of pregnancy saves them from the 18-year burden of parenting in the process.

If he didn't intend to help create the baby, we at the very least need more leniency than to have a child support system that pulls "dead-broke dads" into poverty.

That was discussed in sex ed.

That might depend on where you went to school.

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My sex ed class (public high school 2007) featured the teacher warning girls to "stay away from bisexual guys cause you don't know where they've been". I'm guessing things may have improved since in America but I wouldn't hold my breath.

[The Blaatschapen]

My sex ed class (public high school 2007) featured the teacher warning girls to "stay away from bisexual guys cause you don't know where they've been". I'm guessing things may have improved since in America but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Why would you hold your breath? That's just a silly thing to do.

[Jerzylvania]

Allow me to introduce you to the Pope of the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria, Tawadros II

Just to confuse matters the Eastern Orthodox Pope and Patriarch of the Great City of Alexandria is called Theodore II.

Also, polar bears do not typically defecate in woodland environments.

Also something being "wet" is an attribute for solids. Water is not a solid - except when frozen. So water isn't always wet.

You're blinding him with science!

Betting he missed sublimation too.

[Stellar Colonies]

My sex ed class (public high school 2007) featured the teacher warning girls to "stay away from bisexual guys cause you don't know where they've been". I'm guessing things may have improved since in America but I wouldn't hold my breath.

The only thing I remember from mine is practicing how to put condoms on wooden props.

[Jerzylvania]

My sex ed class (public high school 2007) featured the teacher warning girls to "stay away from bisexual guys cause you don't know where they've been". I'm guessing things may have improved since in America but I wouldn't hold my breath.

The only thing I remember from mine is practicing how to put condoms on wooden props.

Did teacher warn students about termites?

[Stellar Colonies]

The only thing I remember from mine is practicing how to put condoms on wooden props.

Did teacher warn students about termites?

The main thrust of the class was about STDs, other information like that was a side detail. Wasn't a full class anyway, just a week-long unit dropped into the middle of a computer class.

And apart from that and a similarly-long unit from middle school that I remember even less of, that's my experience with sex ed from K-12.

Not gonna ascribe my anecdote to other people, but if something like that is a common experience, I'm not shocked many people have issues figuring out how it works if their main source of information is dubious sources on the Internet, especially factoring in social inexperience.

[Aggicificicerous]

No, it's to note that those claiming to value "rehabilitation" of criminals; at least in Canada; are especially two-faced.

I dunno. I value the rehabilitation of criminals, and I think I'm pretty one-faced.

It says there is some leniency for teenage fathers. It doesn't say how much leniency.

Seeing as how there are news stories about deadbeat dads who are actually "dead-broke dads"; and seeing as how the average person's first instinct when this is pointed out isn't to say "that's not going to happen" but rather to say the aforementioned "shoulda coulda woulda never did no gooda"; and seeing as how the laws are crafted on behalf of the same plurality of voters who had this caricatured image of fathers walking out on mothers they promised to stay with and not of mothers who assured him she wouldn't keep the baby then dragging him into poverty after changing her mind; then I'm skeptical by default that there is enough leniency to allow a teenage father to still pursue his dream of being a doctor or engineer and not have to drop out to work to pay child support.

It seemed fairly clear. And like I said, plenty of single parents get by just fine, go through post-secondary, have careers. Being told to pay child support isn't the end of your life.
Another significant change implemented by the Welfare Reform Act is that parents of a noncustodial teenage father (the grandparents of the minor-mother’s child) are liable to pay child support until their teenage son emancipates, if the minor-mother receives welfare.

Child support is paid by the parent who does not have custody of the child. It is paid to the parent who does have custody. It can be paid by the father or the mother. Support is based on the ability of the parent to pay and the needs of the child. If the parent is too young, in school, or has no income, the court does not order child support payments. But it can still order a parent to look for a job, get training or take other steps to help pay support in the future.

If you have something more specific, please feel free to invoke it. Even if you have it, it's thus far your own side's fault I don't believe them.

What are you talking about? What is my side? Half the time I don't know what you're saying.

I didn't say that about you in particular.

However, the same plurality of voters that worships the free market calls it hypocritical not to allow abortion rights without making child-rearing more affordable, even though it's on behalf of said market-worshipping public that we've allowed child-rearing to become so prohibitively expensive in the first place. Yes, it's possible they're sincere that it's the 9-month burden of pregnancy, not the 18-year burden of parenting, that makes the difference between defensible as a right and not. But one side-effect of this is that freeing them from the 9-month burden of pregnancy saves them from the 18-year burden of parenting in the process.

I'm sure those people you just made up are real bad, but I wish we could stick to real life examples.

If he didn't intend to help create the baby, we at the very least need more leniency than to have a child support system that pulls "dead-broke dads" into poverty.

I dunno. Systems vary by province or state, and how many of them are really destroying people's lives? Got any statistics on the matter?

[Dakini]

Did teacher warn students about termites?

The main thrust of the class was about STDs, other information like that was a side detail. Wasn't a full class anyway, just a week-long unit dropped into the middle of a computer class.

And apart from that and a similarly-long unit from middle school that I remember even less of, that's my experience with sex ed from K-12.

Not gonna ascribe my anecdote to other people, but if something like that is a common experience, I'm not shocked many people have issues figuring out how it works if their main source of information is dubious sources on the Internet, especially factoring in social inexperience.

I learned more about sex from Dan Savage and Sue Johansen than I did in school. My school didn't even teach us that the clitoris exists.

[Jerzylvania]

Did teacher warn students about termites?

The main thrust of the class was about STDs, other information like that was a side detail. Wasn't a full class anyway, just a week-long unit dropped into the middle of a computer class.

And apart from that and a similarly-long unit from middle school that I remember even less of, that's my experience with sex ed from K-12.

Not gonna ascribe my anecdote to other people, but if something like that is a common experience, I'm not shocked many people have issues figuring out how it works if their main source of information is dubious sources on the Internet, especially factoring in social inexperience.

Main thrust... good one.

And before the internet, and before sex ed (some fifty years ago) it was detailed on a few bathroom walls.

We figured out how to do it in our "wet" dreams.

The main thrust of the class was about STDs, other information like that was a side detail. Wasn't a full class anyway, just a week-long unit dropped into the middle of a computer class.

And apart from that and a similarly-long unit from middle school that I remember even less of, that's my experience with sex ed from K-12.

Not gonna ascribe my anecdote to other people, but if something like that is a common experience, I'm not shocked many people have issues figuring out how it works if their main source of information is dubious sources on the Internet, especially factoring in social inexperience.

I learned more about sex from Dan Savage and Sue Johansen than I did in school. My school didn't even teach us that the clitoris exists.

Guessing you were schooled down south someplace?

Back in the day we heard from Pegleg Peggy

[Dakini]

I learned more about sex from Dan Savage and Sue Johansen than I did in school. My school didn't even teach us that the clitoris exists.

Guessing you were schooled down south someplace?

Back in the day we heard from Pegleg Peggy

Nope. Ontario, Canada in the late '90s. I hope that things are better now, but at least I had the Sunday Night Sex Show to watch when my parents weren't around.

[Ozzy]

That's a very bland-ass conclusion that Bill Maher came to... I unfortunately went down the blackpill rabbit hole out of embitterment and gross curiosity before and I can safely say that it's a depressing clusterfuck of problems with no single (easily definable) source.

Incels, MGTOW, True Forced Loneliness, etc. They're all different categories of people who chose separate coping strategies during their journeys of unrequited love and perpetual loneliness, all typically shoved under the umbrella term that is the "blackpill". Majority of them are violent and/or entitled, but I found TFL'ers to be heartbreaking examples of confused neurodivergents that can't keep friends.

People often point the problems to social atomism, social media, and hookup culture for the skewed dating market. Others point to society and mass media putting sex and love on a kilometer-high pedestal placing pressure on young folks. Also including disproportionate male/female ratio in some countries and utter lack of mental health support available for those whose mental illness hinder their social capabilities.

I think it's a bit of all of them... as for the notorious 80/20 rule and "female hypergamy", I always had my doubts regarding statistics about them, but even if it's complete bullshit and some easy scapegoat for incels to blame everybody else but themselves, it still highlights a terrible societal problem.

[Jerzylvania]

Guessing you were schooled down south someplace?

Back in the day we heard from Pegleg Peggy

Nope. Ontario, Canada in the late '90s. I hope that things are better now, but at least I had the Sunday Night Sex Show to watch when my parents weren't around.

Well that meshes with Sue Johansen, a Canadian. Actually I spent a couple years in the Toronto Metropolitan School System in the 60s. Loved the niceness of the people there.

The Maple Leafs won the Cup then and no one ever talked to us about sex there or Back in the US. But i found out about it anyway thanks to the Beatles and puberty. Good thing too.

My parents hated the Beatles and their songs. That is until other artists performed Beatles songs and they were completely unaware that was on their favorite radio station. Loved pointing that out to them.

[The Archregimancy]

Allow me to be the latest to offer my congratulations.

If you're still taking baby name suggestions, how about 'Thrungor the Magnificent, Despoiler of Souls'?

Thanks! We hadn't been thinking about "Thungor the Magnificent, Despoiler of Souls" for a name. I think it might cause issues with paperwork given the length and presence of a comma (we're avoiding punctuation and special characters to save the poor kid from paperwork nightmares).

Well, that's disappointing.

How about Thrungor Magnificul Distrugatorul Sufletelor? My wife is the granddaughter of an Orthodox archpriest; I could try and have a word with the Romanian patriarchate if you're worried that's an obstacle.

[Dakini]

Thanks! We hadn't been thinking about "Thungor the Magnificent, Despoiler of Souls" for a name. I think it might cause issues with paperwork given the length and presence of a comma (we're avoiding punctuation and special characters to save the poor kid from paperwork nightmares).

Well, that's disappointing.

How about Thrungor Magnificul Distrugatorul Sufletelor? My wife is the granddaughter of an Orthodox archpriest; I could try and have a word with the Romanian patriarchate if you're worried that's an obstacle.

I feel like that's still going to cause some character limit issues. I don't want the kid to have problems getting a passport or some nonsense down the line. Even if the Romanians would allow it on a birth certificate, the kid won't be Romanian unless they naturalise since we're not permanent residents here. It would be the Canadian and USA governments they get to deal with for citizenship paperwork.

Also, I mean, what poor five year old is going to be sitting in school trying to spell Thrungor? I had enough trouble spelling my middle name and had to carry a coin around so I could spell check it until I was like seven.

[Galactic Transylvania]

Maher is wrong considering the thing's he's blaming but he's absolutely right substantively to say that incels are incels by their own fault and no one elses.

Take some personal responsibility and figure out why you're apparently such a fucking toxic ass no one wants to interact with you. Grow the fuck up and stop hating women because your personality is birth control.

Incels almost never have any actual degree of introspection and instead just want to blame someone else and so invent a whole head cannon where its their appearance stopping them because they can't quite control that and therefore they can pretend they aren't at fault.