by Sedgistan » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:26 am
by Sedgistan » Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:30 pm
by WayNeacTia » Wed Oct 13, 2021 4:50 pm
RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac
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by Alfonzo » Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:16 pm
Wayneactia wrote:Geez..... I hope Cormac comes back. He has ALL the dirt on Osiris
by Klaus Devestatorie » Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:22 am
by Unibot III » Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:28 am
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Klaus Devestatorie » Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:46 am
Unibot III wrote:If memory serves me correctly there were six coups in Osiris in 2013.
by Unibot III » Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:06 am
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Grea Kriopia » Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:58 am
The first of the two new regions was Osiris which was created by Testlandia on October 18th, 2011 at 10:20:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, although technically founded by the nation of Patroni months prior before ceasing to exist. The new region attracted attention throughout the game, particularly from raiders and defenders, and a raider known as Kain the Dragoon attempted to declare control of the region early on. Seeing this occur, the Ten Thousand Islands Treaty Organization (TITO) moved to secure the region from outside interests with the intent to hold fair elections determined by the natives of Osiris. Sichuan pepper of TITO became the first delegate of Osiris and held the position until Zaolot was publicly elected on October 28th, 2011 by the residents of Osiris, becoming the first Pharoah of Osiris.
Balder was the second of the new regions and was created less than a minute after Osiris on October 18, 2011 at 10:21:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time. Similar to Osiris, Balder attracted significant attention which The United Defenders League (UDL) responded to in hopes of warding off external influence by creating a constitutional convention for Balder. Robin Hood from UDL thus became Balder's first delegate with less conflict and carried out the convention that led to public elections for the delegacy position. Luxembourg was publicly elected delegate on October 25th, 2011, and quickly moved to establish democratic government and order within Balder as its first leader.
by Southern Bellz » Fri Oct 15, 2021 11:58 am
by The Notorious Mad Jack » Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:46 pm
Grea Kriopia wrote:I'll bite for lack of better things to do. There's a lot to be said here so I'll stick to the founding period:The first of the two new regions was Osiris which was created by Testlandia on October 18th, 2011 at 10:20:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, although technically founded by the nation of Patroni months prior before ceasing to exist. The new region attracted attention throughout the game, particularly from raiders and defenders, and a raider known as Kain the Dragoon attempted to declare control of the region early on. Seeing this occur, the Ten Thousand Islands Treaty Organization (TITO) moved to secure the region from outside interests with the intent to hold fair elections determined by the natives of Osiris. Sichuan pepper of TITO became the first delegate of Osiris and held the position until Zaolot was publicly elected on October 28th, 2011 by the residents of Osiris, becoming the first Pharoah of Osiris.
by Kanaia » Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:55 pm
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Grea Kriopia wrote:I'll bite for lack of better things to do. There's a lot to be said here so I'll stick to the founding period:
This is a wonderfully revisionist take on the early days of Osiris. TITO didn't give a damn about the natives, such as they existed at the time, of Osiris. It invaded Osiris to prevent the possibility of a raider becoming delegate, regardless of the wishes of its natives.
Happily, the legacy of TITO in Osiris is that engendered a healthy suspicion of TITO in particular and defenders in general, and later actions by other defender groups reinforced that attitude, which has been much to Osiris's benefit over the last decade.
[violet] wrote:Never underestimate the ability of admin to do nothing.
by Comfed » Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:57 pm
by Zaolat » Sun Oct 17, 2021 4:45 pm
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Grea Kriopia wrote:I'll bite for lack of better things to do. There's a lot to be said here so I'll stick to the founding period:
This is a wonderfully revisionist take on the early days of Osiris. TITO didn't give a damn about the natives, such as they existed at the time, of Osiris. It invaded Osiris to prevent the possibility of a raider becoming delegate, regardless of the wishes of its natives.
Happily, the legacy of TITO in Osiris is that engendered a healthy suspicion of TITO in particular and defenders in general, and later actions by other defender groups reinforced that attitude, which has been much to Osiris's benefit over the last decade.
by Unibot III » Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:31 pm
A decade ago today (around 22:20 EST), Osiris and Balder were founded by Testlandia. The two new regions were created with the intent of helping relieve Lazarus, then the only restorer region, which had ballooned in size and carried the distinction of being the largest region in NationStates (obviously this was long before the days of card-farming!).
Both regions' World Factbook Entries intially read "Something stirs..." and stir, somethings did: over the course of the next few hours, at least a dozen nations would find their way into Osiris and Balder, including the region's first refounded nations, Kanoshii and Indraha respectively, and puppet nations of Revert (Luna Amore), Ballotonia, and Evil Wolf.
The Site Admin, [violet] later noted that she did not intially announce the creation of the two new regions because she wanted to see how the regions would evolve on their own without a News post pointing everyone to it.
The next day, shortly before 2:00 EDT, defenders from Thousand Island Treaty Organization (TITO) began entering Osiris en masse in response to the arrival of known invaders, Kain the dragoon (Leo Romefeller) and East Triludia (Gerzam). TITO represented 10000 Islands (10KI) which at that time was the largest defender region in NationStates.
Although East Triludia (Gerzam) and Kain the Dragoon had declared themselves "Co-Emperors" of Osiris and called for an "Aretist Revolution", the rationale behind 10KI's deployment faced public scrutiny as Kain and other invaders were surpassed in terms of endorsements by other residents, including most notably Revert (Luna Amore).
Shortly after TITO deployed in Osiris, I and other members of the United Defenders League (UDL) became aware of the existence of Balder and Osiris. It wasn't immeaditely clear to us what the significance of the small founderless regions were. Indeed, I recall a lot of confusion in our IRC channel that night. After some discussion, I made a gut call to order a UDL deployment into Balder for the purposes of seizing the delegacy.
The goal for the deployment was clear: to occupy the power vaccum in an interim capacity and ensure a peaceful and democratic transition of power to an elected native government. However, I remained reluctant about the operation because the UDL already had its hands full dealing with an occupation in Utopia and defenders typically only responded to invaded regions to restore the delegacy to native communities. In the case of Balder, there was no invasion to respond to, and no native community in sight. We were entering unchartered territory...
I slept poorly that night, waking up periodically to check my nation's endorsements and look out for any challengers.
My worrying was for naught though. Shortly after midday, I (under my puppet name, Robin Hood) became the first delegate of Balder and TITO Commander Improving Wordiness (Sichuan Pepper) became the first delegate of Osiris. It is worth noting however that the UDL had been challenged earlier that morning by a late bid for the delegacy by the President of Europeia, Rachel Anumia, who solicited endorsements from Europeia, Empire of Earth, the New Inquisition, and Land of Kings and Emperors. In the years to come, Rachel would play a significant role in Balder as a delegate, sovereign, and forum admin.
As delegate, I quickly established an election for Balder's next WA Delegate (to be concluded on October 23) and launched an open Constitutional Convention for Balder residents to develop their region's first constitution. Unfortunately, Luxembourg (also known as Aglirinia), the runaway favourite for the delegacy, would later hack his Vice Delegate's email account and tried (unsuccessfully) to overthrow the government.
Meanwhile in Osiris, TITO Command announced that an election would be held to decide the region's next WA Delegate and A Mean Old Man (AMOM), a respected neutral gameplayer, had been chosen by TITO to oversee this process. In a very close vote (21-19) against Revert, Zaolat was declared the winner of that interim delegate election.
Initially, Revert had tied with Zaolat, but upon realizing Zaolat had voted for Revert while Revert had voted for himself, Revert famously asked for his vote to be changed in Zaolat's favour as a good-mannered gesture!
I'll always remember these days as an especially exciting time for NationStates: full of opportunity and buzzing with rival ambitions. The creation of these two regions were truly unexpected events and both Osiris and Balder would continue to hold the attention of a captive playerbase for many months to come as laws were written, treaties were struck, and their governments matured.
For a fuller recap on these events and more, you can read my writings in "Something Stirs: The History of Early Balder & Osiris."
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Ikania » Mon Oct 18, 2021 2:37 pm
by Unibot III » Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:10 pm
Ikania wrote:I think it would be unethical and a very bad look for the site administration to endorse a work by Unibot and put it on the site news page.
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by The Church of Satan » Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:19 pm
by Zaolat » Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:45 pm
Ikania wrote:First to the field were the two Aretist duumvirs, Kain and Gerzam, who seized Osiris and made ready to do bloody battle with the Ten Thousand Islands.
After the treatied army of the Isles drove the Aretists back from whence they came, the nascent Osirans quickly organized for themselves a government of sorts, and Zaolat became the first Pharaoh of the Kemetic Republic.
by Ikania » Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:05 pm
by The North Polish Union » Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:08 am
Ikania wrote:In Balder [...] The imperialist-leaning natives would eventually overtake the defenders, who gradually made an exodus from Balder and led the establishment of a monarchy: the Realm of Balder.
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:keep your wet opinions to yourself. Byzantium and Ottoman will not come again. Whoever thinks of this wet dream will feel the power of the Republic's secular army.
Minskiev wrote:You are GP's dross.
Petrovsegratsk wrote:NPU, I know your clearly a Polish nationalist, but wtf is up with your obssession with resurrecting the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?
The yoshin empire wrote:Grouping russians with slavs is like grouping germans with french , the two are so culturally different.
by Ikania » Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:05 am
The North Polish Union wrote:Ikania wrote:In Balder [...] The imperialist-leaning natives would eventually overtake the defenders, who gradually made an exodus from Balder and led the establishment of a monarchy: the Realm of Balder.
Referring to the imperialists as "natives" of balder is a bad take. From its earliest days Balder's monarchy essentially functioned as a client of the LKE, TNI et al. and the government was largely imports from a variety of imperialist regions rather than being a "native monarchy". Although this has changed to an extent, the presence of former LKE emperor Onder as an RO in Balder is evidence that sovereignty has not been fully achieved, even after a decade.
by Lord Dominator » Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:51 pm
The North Polish Union wrote:Ikania wrote:In Balder [...] The imperialist-leaning natives would eventually overtake the defenders, who gradually made an exodus from Balder and led the establishment of a monarchy: the Realm of Balder.
Referring to the imperialists as "natives" of balder is a bad take. From its earliest days Balder's monarchy essentially functioned as a client of the LKE, TNI et al. and the government was largely imports from a variety of imperialist regions rather than being a "native monarchy". Although this has changed to an extent, the presence of former LKE emperor Onder as an RO in Balder is evidence that sovereignty has not been fully achieved, even after a decade.
Ikania wrote:The North Polish Union wrote:Referring to the imperialists as "natives" of balder is a bad take. From its earliest days Balder's monarchy essentially functioned as a client of the LKE, TNI et al. and the government was largely imports from a variety of imperialist regions rather than being a "native monarchy". Although this has changed to an extent, the presence of former LKE emperor Onder as an RO in Balder is evidence that sovereignty has not been fully achieved, even after a decade.
I’m not wading into that dispute. The imperialists who won control over Balder in 2011 are, by and large, still there, without any challenge to their presence. They’re the closest thing Balder has to a native community.
by Ikania » Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:00 pm
by Goobergunchia » Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:48 pm
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