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by Arvenia » Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:24 am
by Tracian Empire » Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:26 am
Arvenia wrote:I see that there are currently no fascist states in this RP right now.
by The Imperial Warglorian Empire » Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:54 am
Arvenia wrote:I see that there are currently no fascist states in this RP right now.
by Arvenia » Mon Oct 04, 2021 8:19 am
by The Traansval » Mon Oct 04, 2021 8:36 am
Tracian Empire wrote:Arvenia wrote:I see that there are currently no fascist states in this RP right now.
Italy should be one, but Elerian still has to work on his app. The Danubian Confederation has a pretty strong fascist party, and I'd assume that a conservative monarchy like France should also have such a movement.
by Tracian Empire » Mon Oct 04, 2021 8:38 am
The Traansval wrote:Tracian Empire wrote:I forgot to add it on the map, but I think that it should be included in Britain's reservation alongside Malta.
Indeed, I'll add itTracian Empire wrote:Italy should be one, but Elerian still has to work on his app. The Danubian Confederation has a pretty strong fascist party, and I'd assume that a conservative monarchy like France should also have such a movement.
Damn I guess a Military Junta controlling a pervasive reactionary nationalist party in Britain doesn't count as fascist
by The Traansval » Mon Oct 04, 2021 8:56 am
by Elerian » Mon Oct 04, 2021 11:28 am
by The Cascade and Saint Islands » Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:14 pm
The Orson Empire wrote:Alright, since the original player dropped out, I've got an idea for a semi-industrialized Egypt. Basically, after the Strategos of Egypt successfully revolts against the Romans in 1821, Muhammad Ali leads a successful Islamic revolt against him in 1827, becoming the Sultan of an independent Egypt. Muhammad Ali successfully implements his modernization reforms and the country begins to rapidly westernize and industrialize, and he also leads a campaign to conquer Sudan. In the 1870's, the Sultanate is reformed into the United Kingdom, and becomes a secular constitutional monarchy. The United Kingdom sides with the winning side of WW1, and afterwards occupies the northern portion of Palestine in a bid to restore order in the region in the midst of the Palestinian Civil War. The Ghassanids would be seen as a menace by Egypt, likely provoking future "peacekeeping operations" in the region.
Also, is there a Discord yet?Reservation
Nation Name: United Kingdom of Egypt and Sudan
Territory: Egypt, Sudan, Northern Palestine
Tech Tree: Sweden
#JDMZVUM1QC (Do not delete this, it is used to keep track of the apps)
*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.
by The Traansval » Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:46 pm
by The Orson Empire » Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:20 pm
The Cascade and Saint Islands wrote:The Orson Empire wrote:Alright, since the original player dropped out, I've got an idea for a semi-industrialized Egypt. Basically, after the Strategos of Egypt successfully revolts against the Romans in 1821, Muhammad Ali leads a successful Islamic revolt against him in 1827, becoming the Sultan of an independent Egypt. Muhammad Ali successfully implements his modernization reforms and the country begins to rapidly westernize and industrialize, and he also leads a campaign to conquer Sudan. In the 1870's, the Sultanate is reformed into the United Kingdom, and becomes a secular constitutional monarchy. The United Kingdom sides with the winning side of WW1, and afterwards occupies the northern portion of Palestine in a bid to restore order in the region in the midst of the Palestinian Civil War. The Ghassanids would be seen as a menace by Egypt, likely provoking future "peacekeeping operations" in the region.
Also, is there a Discord yet?Reservation
Nation Name: United Kingdom of Egypt and Sudan
Territory: Egypt, Sudan, Northern Palestine
Tech Tree: Sweden
#JDMZVUM1QC (Do not delete this, it is used to keep track of the apps)
*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.
This actually fits pretty well with my Ghassanids' history. The two thing that are kind of weird is that you invaded Northern Palestine instead of Southern Palestine (Southern Palestine is closer to the Suez; it would have made more sense for the French to invade Northern Palestine since they control Lebanon), and that you see the Ghassanids as a menace. I mean, yes, we would love to invade you if we could, but I'm pretty sure our military tech is worse than yours and we have less than a sixth of the population. It makes a lot of sense that you would hate us (we have accepted more than 10,000 Coptic refugees), but "menace" is just... I feel like "inconvenience" would be a better word.
Also, (this is not a problem, I just thought I'd let you know) the UK invading Northern Palestine would cause tension with the original European power that Palestine was awarded to (unless they are the original power), so you might want to take that into account when writing your history.
by Tracian Empire » Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:28 pm
Deblar wrote:Meh, I don’t really want northern Palestine
by The Orson Empire » Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:29 pm
Deblar wrote:Meh, I don’t really want northern Palestine
by Wansul » Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:07 pm
Deblar wrote:Tracian Empire wrote:A bit odd that a France led by Napoleon III's son wouldn't want Palestine or Jerusalem, seeing how focused Napoleon III was on proclaiming himself as the protector of the Christians there. Interesting.
…now that you mention it..
Mm, nah, while the premise is very tempting…
*looks at Germany*
We kinda have bigger fish to fry
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by Deblar » Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:26 pm
by Tracian Empire » Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:30 pm
Deblar wrote:Wansul wrote:Are you not going to fight the righteous Bonapartist crusade? It's 1937, the perfect time for a 1090s-style crusade!
Nah, it’d just be Napoleon IV’s Mexico equivalent, and he’s trying not to be the incompetent buffoon that his father was. Speaking of ol’ number four, with Britain being a republic, I’m gonna have to make him marry into a different house. Maybe the Habsburgs?
by Tracian Empire » Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:39 pm
by Tracian Empire » Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:51 pm
by Deblar » Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:00 pm
Tracian Empire wrote:Archduchess Margarete Sophie of Austria, Archduchess Maria Annunciata of Austria or Archduchess Elisabeth Amalie of Austria could be interesting choices, since they'd be the aunts of Karl. And having a Habsburg Archduchess as a the wife of a French field marshal could mean that Prince Sixtus of Bourbon-Parma, who attempted to contact the Allies on Karl's behalf in order to negotiate an armistice, could have much better luck than in real life.
by The Imperial Warglorian Empire » Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:07 pm
Deblar wrote:Tracian Empire wrote:A bit odd that a France led by Napoleon III's son wouldn't want Palestine or Jerusalem, seeing how focused Napoleon III was on proclaiming himself as the protector of the Christians there. Interesting.
…now that you mention it..
Mm, nah, while the premise is very tempting…
*looks at Germany*
We kinda have bigger fish to fry
by Wansul » Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:23 pm
Nation Application
Full Nation Name: República Argentina
Short Nation Name: Argentina
National Symbols:
The flag of the República Argentina
Argentinian Naval Jack
The symbol of the rapidly-ascending Justicialist Party of Juan Perón
Capital:
Buenos Aires
Territory:
Argentina
Form of Government:
While nominally a presidential democratic republic, Argentina's recent history has been marred by semi-legal acts of repression against political opposition by military and paramilitary forces. Because of this, the political system has become dominated by cliques of bureaucrats and caudillos, and the pretense of democracy ready to shatter. The Argentine Republic’s democracy is not representative or open, and prone to authoritarian decrees from the government and civil unrest.
The executive branch holds increasing power over the whole government, enforcing their policies directly on provinces rather than through the legislature. Since the coup of 1930, a return to stability has reduced the rate of turnover in the federal government. Slowly, the administration has fought corruption and restored trust, making true public servants out of the ministries. The wishes of generals and bankers are always put over the popular will or election integrity. In summary, Argentina’s government is an autocratic junta, with the facade of a democratic republic.
Head of State: President Agustín Pedro Justo
Head of Government: Vice President Julio A. Roca Jr.
Ideology:
While dabbling in tenets of economic liberalization, the Argentine Republic under Agustín Justo remains a firmly authoritarian state, with socially conservative restrictions.
However, the growing Justicialist Party of Juan Perón has grown more vocal and influential in the government. Espousing strong nationalism against the selling out of the nation to foreign interests and strident support for labour, Perón’s populist chimera is building a bigger ideological presence in the Argentine people and government.
Population: 13,610,000
Military Description:Out of all Latin American nations, Argentina has, thanks to its economic robustness, a more advanced military than many of its neighbors. This includes aviation schools and branches for both the Navy and Army, a navy built to match both of its two biggest neighbors, Chile and Brazil, and an Army capable of defending its long borders with rivals. Since 1930, the spectre of military coups and caudillos seizing power from their support in the army has worried many democratically-inclined Argentine politicians and people. But, under the presidency of General President Agustín Justo, who rose to power through a coup, that is unlikely to change. In this century, efforts to modernize have been consistent and successful, resulting in efficient and well-trained officers and divisions.
The Argentine Army contains 5 infantry divisions, 1 cavalry division, and 2 elite mountaineer brigades. They are spread out across the country, but concentrated in the north and towards borders. 60k men are in these divisions, with a few more serving as garrisons in troubled parts of the interior, most notably Patagonia, bringing the total fielded manpower to around 70k not including support roles.
The Argentine Navy is its pride. The ARA Rivadavia, its flagship was built during the South American dreadnought race early that century, a spat that Argentina emerged proudly from as a prememeient naval power in the South Atlantic- second of course, to the British Empire. The ARA has 27 total ships, 5 of which are capital ships. None are especially modern, with many focused on coastal defence. With 3 around-Great War era models, the Navy boasts a small submarine arm too. Around 30k Argentines are a part of the Navy, both at sea and in support roles on land. While capable of besting any regional fleet on the high seas, Argentina’s navy is woefully underprepared to defend against a Great Power’s fleet, unless it receives foreign design help or large investments.
In the air, outdated fighter models are found on a few bases. More modern but still widely-outclassed naval bombers assisted in naval operations, and land-based bombers work directly with ground troops and their generals. Each part is under their respective branch instead of being their own air force, and all together Argentina's air power is under 50 planes, with any expansion requiring significant R&D research or foriegn purchases.
On a final note, labour groups and nationalist league each have their own paramilitary units. Exact numbers differ, but both hold units throughout the country, mostly in the capital of Buenos Aires. Left-aligned paramilitaries have around 30k members nationwide and Far-right-aligned paramilitaries have around 10k members nationwide, but sympathy from a few military units make up the balance in fighting effectiveness. Many members are informal and not ready for proper warfare and their numbers change regularly. While command of them is split between ideological factions and personalities, they remain a strong force within the country. Thankfully for President Agustín Justo, they remain as opposed to each other as they are to the government- although the populist appeals of Juan Perón might unite them.
Tech Tree: Argentine Tech tree
Economic Description:
While hurt by the ongoing global depression, the Argentine economy remains one of the strongest in the southern hemisphere, heavily reliant on exports. The GDP per capita is higher than some highly developed nations, but Argentina remains behind in industrial capacity. The economy is split into 2 vastly different sectors, inside and outside Buenos Aires.
Inside the city, a burgeoning industry is growing within the “Paris of South America”. And just like Paris, the city has seen it’s history of red revolts and strong labour unions. Argentine industry is by no means world class, but is leading in South America and rapidly growing and modernizing. Argentina still lacks a strong steel industry, and many consumer goods are purchased from abroad.
Outside the capital, a predominantly and healthy agro-export economy exists. Cereal crops and meat especially are places where Argentines are big on the world stage. Recent political instability and aging infrastructure is slowing growth, and the brewing storm of a new Great Power war could see exports dry up. Mineral reserves are being increasingly explored, but foreign imports often dominate the market, and force Argentine miners to be layed off or work in worse conditions.
Overall, the descamisados, “shirtless ones”, whose work keeps both sectors running have largely benefitted from their growth. However, as the global depression decreased exports, workers have felt their paychecks grow smaller and bills get bigger, sparking discontent against the current holders of the means of production. The rich- Argentine ranchers, bankers, and foreign merchants- are still very rich, and increasingly seek to keep Argentina open to global trade, often at the cost of the workers and domestic development.
Goals:
For the government of President Agustín Justo; improving economic growth, infrastructure development, securing better trade rights, and getting recognition for claimed lands(Antarctic claim, the Falkland, South Georgia, and South Sandwich islands)
For Perón’s Justicialist Party; social justice, economic independence, political stabilization, and securing control over their claimed lands
Point of Divergence: 1930- José Felix Uriburu is assassinated before his inauguration
History:
As Argentinian exports, especially beef, sharply declined due to the Great Depression, the political situation in Argentina rapidly fell into disorder. The reform-minded President Yrigoyen was ousted in a coup on September 6 by Army generals and officers. The leader of this coup, the fascist-aligned José Felix Uriburu, was killed on September 8 by a car bomb from an unknown assassin before his inauguration. Aided by the efforts of the then-unknown officer Juan Perón, whose ties with labour and the military let him calm both, order and peace reigned in Buenos Aires long enough for the Army leaders to meet and choose a new President.
The coup’s remaining organizers offered the presidency to the much less nationalist, conservative-liberal, General Agustín Justo, who was inaugurated on September 10, 1930. While nationalist groups grumbled at the loss of their shot at power, they did not have the strength to contest it. Radical student and labour groups opposed the coup, but after unlikely but successful mediation by the officer Juan Perón, a few concessions kept them from violent opposition.
In 1932, Agustín Justo won reelection to the office of President, in what was an undeniably unlawfully conducted election. Rampant suppression, fraud, and intimidation kept socialist and nationalist candidates from winning, and a media crackdown kept from reporting on marches and petitions from both groups. Now, as the election of 1938 draws near, the cogs of the junta’s political machine begin to turn, as Agustín Justo contemplates running for a third term or handing the reigns of state off to a loyal underling.
The 1933 Roca-Runciman Treaty, between Agustín Justo’s government and the United Kingdom, secured some relief from the Depression. By giving benefits and special exceptions to British companies, beef exports were able to pick up and investments in Argentina picked up. The promise to only buy British coal and impose no duties especially angered coal miner unions, while the perceived selling out of the country to foreign bankers and interests turned the nationalists from annoyed to angry with the administration of Agustín Justo. While some Senators and establishment officials have pushed privately for changes to Argentina's trade arrangements, President Agustín Justo has not tolerated showing disunity within the cabinet.
That policy led to the dismissal of the once-rising star Juan Perón from the cabinet. His work calming labour from strikes and revolts eventually led to the position of Secretary of Labour in 1931, where he toured the country and vocally supported the rights of unions, worrying some in President Agustín Justo’s government. After an attempted coup by nationalist and pro-Uriburu Minister of War Franciso Medina in 1934, Perón found himself as the chosen replacement, partially to put someone much less pro-labour in the Ministry of Labour. In late 1936, after 2 years of friction-filled coexistence with the much less radical President and his cabinet, the dam burst. Open and violently bitter criticism of the Roca-Runciman Treaty was given by Perón on a radio segment, from a station partially owned by the recent star Eva Duarte, which led to Perón being sacked, and banished to a remote military command in northwestern Argentina.
Demonstrations in Buenos Aires followed, with marches from nationalist leagues and protests from labour unions whirling around the Casa Rosada. Military units ordered in refused to fire, and a few even took up cries of “Perón!”. Perón was quickly recalled before he had even arrived at his command, and asked to tell the people to disperse and not storm the Casa Rosada. He did so, but not without thanking them and promising to lead this new movement. Juan Perón resigned from the army the following day, and began building his Justicialist Party, also referred to as the Perónist Party, into a storm of populism to bring down the President and government that had wronged him, the workers, and Argentina itself.
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by Northern Socialist Council Republics » Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:17 pm
Deblar wrote:Oh, nothing. Go back to your ‘socialism is when the government does stuff’ shtick
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