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Strala
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Strala » Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:02 pm

The Traansval wrote:
Wansul wrote:Thank you!

Now.. about the Falklands...

I'll lose the entire Empire before I surrender those islands.

I wouldn't mind that

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Father Knows Best State

Postby Arvenia » Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:11 pm

Tracian Empire wrote:
Arvenia wrote:Kinda. I will talk to the French player.

Alternatively you could just go back even further in time and just not have Andorra become independent or something along those lines

Even long before WW1?
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Tracian Empire » Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:16 pm

Arvenia wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:Alternatively you could just go back even further in time and just not have Andorra become independent or something along those lines

Even long before WW1?

There is no time limit on when your PoD's need to be. Andorra is fairly minor, so since you claimed it you could make it so that it never became independent.

I do personally feel like it being a point of contention between France and Spain could be more interesting for the IC, but that's up to you.
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Postby The Cascade and Saint Islands » Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:48 pm

Hey, Tracian Empire, I changed my Application to fix the problems you had with it. Could you check it again?

Changes:
1. Changed name of the King to fit lineage. (Al-Harith to Al-Chemor)
2. Added the origin of naval ships in "Military Description"
3. Added Ghassanid History in "History"(Lineage and Ancestry)
4. Recalculated and changed Census Data in "Population"(From 5.2 million to 2.5 million)

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Father Knows Best State

Postby Tracian Empire » Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:49 pm

The Cascade and Saint Islands wrote:
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Full Nation Name:The Second Ghassanid Kingdom of The Holy Lands, The East Bank of the Jordan River, An Nafud and Northern Hejaz


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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Wansul » Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:47 pm

Parts of my application are still WIP, but I'd love feedback on any of the completed parts.
Nation Application

Full Nation Name: República Argentina

Short Nation Name: Argentina

National Symbols:
The flag of the República Argentina
Argentinian Naval Jack
The symbol of the rapidly-ascending Justicialist Party of Juan Perón

Capital:
Buenos Aires

Territory:
Argentina

Form of Government:
While nominally a presidential democratic republic, Argentina's recent history has been marred by semi-legal acts of repression against political opposition by military and paramilitary forces. Because of this, the political system has become dominated by cliques of bureaucrats and caudillos, and the pretense of democracy ready to shatter. The Argentine Republic’s democracy is not representative or open, and prone to authoritarian decrees from the government and civil unrest.

The executive branch holds increasing power over the whole government, enforcing their policies directly on provinces rather than through the legislature. Since the coup of 1930, a return to stability has reduced the rate of turnover in the federal government. Slowly, the administration has fought corruption and restored trust, making true public servants out of the ministries. The wishes of generals and bankers are always put over the popular will or election integrity. In summary, Argentina’s government is an autocratic junta, with the facade of a democratic republic.

Head of State: President Agustín Pedro Justo

Head of Government: Vice President Julio A. Roca Jr.

Ideology:
While dabbling in tenets of economic liberalization, the Argentine Republic under Agustín Justo remains a firmly authoritarian state, with socially conservative restrictions.

However, the growing Justicialist Party of Juan Perón has grown more vocal and influential in the government. Espousing strong nationalism against the selling out of the nation to foreign interests and strident support for labour, Perón’s populist chimera is building a bigger ideological presence in the Argentine people and government.

Population: 13,610,000

Military Description: WIP

Tech Tree: Argentine Tech tree

Economic Description: WIP

Goals:
For the government of President Agustín Justo; improving economic growth, infrastructure development, securing better trade rights, and getting recognition for claimed lands(Antarctic claim, the Falkland, South Georgia, and South Sandwich islands)

For Perón’s Justicialist Party; social justice, economic independence, political stabilization, and securing control over their claimed lands

Point of Divergence: 1930

History:
As Argentinian exports, especially beef, sharply declined due to the Great Depression, the political situation in Argentina rapidly fell into disorder. The reform-minded President Yrigoyen was ousted in a coup on September 6 by Army generals and officers. The leader of this coup, the fascist-aligned José Felix Uriburu, was killed on September 8 by a car bomb from an unknown assassin before his inauguration. Aided by the efforts of the then-unknown officer Juan Perón, whose ties with labour and the military let him calm both, order and peace reigned in Buenos Aires long enough for the Army leaders to meet and choose a new President.

The coup’s remaining organizers offered the presidency to the much less nationalist, conservative-liberal, General Agustín Justo, who was inaugurated on September 10, 1930. While nationalist groups grumbled at the loss of their shot at power, they did not have the strength to contest it. Radical student and labour groups opposed the coup, but after unlikely but successful mediation by the officer Juan Perón, a few concessions kept them from violent opposition.

In 1932, Agustín Justo won reelection to the office of President again, in what was an undeniably unlawfully conducted election. Rampant suppression, fraud, and intimidation kept socialist and nationalist candidates from winning, and a media crackdown kept from reporting on marches and petitions from both groups. Now, as the election of 1938 draws near, the cogs of the junta’s political machine begin to turn, as Agustín Justo contemplates running for a third term or handing the reigns of state off to a loyal underling.

In 1933, the Roca-Runciman Treaty, between Agustín Justo’s government and the United Kingdom, secured some relief from the Depression. By giving benefits and special exceptions to British companies, beef exports were able to pick up and investments in Argentina picked up. The promise to only buy British coal and impose no duties especially angered coal miner unions, while the perceived selling out of the country to foreign bankers and interests turned the nationalists from annoyed to angry with the administration of Agustín Justo. While some Senators and establishment officials have pushed privately for changes to Argentina's trade arrangements, President Agustín Justo has not tolerated showing disunity within the cabinet.

That policy led to the dismissal of the once-rising star Juan Perón from the cabinet. His work calming labour from strikes and revolts eventually led to the position of Secretary of Labour in 1931, where he toured the country and vocally supported the rights of unions, worrying some in President Agustín Justo’s government. After an attempted coup by nationalist and pro-Uriburu Minister of War Franciso Medina in 1934, Perón found himself as the chosen replacement, partially to put someone much less pro-labour in the Ministry of Labour. In late 1936, after 2 years of friction-filled coexistence with the much less radical President and his cabinet, the dam burst. Open and violently bitter criticism of the Roca-Runciman Treaty was given by Perón on a radio segment, from a station partially owned by the recent star Eva Duarte, which led to Perón being sacked, and banished to a remote military command in northwestern Argentina.

Demonstrations in Buenos Aires followed, with marches from nationalist leagues and protests from labour unions whirling around the Casa Rosada. Military units ordered in refused to fire, and a few even took up cries of “Perón!”. Perón was quickly recalled before he had even arrived at his command, and asked to tell the people to disperse and not storm the Casa Rosada. He did so, but not without thanking them and promising to lead this new movement. Perón resigned from the army the following day, and began building his Justicialist Party, also referred to as the Perónist Party, into a storm of populism to bring down the President and government that had wronged him, the workers, and Argentina itself so much.


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Postby The Traansval » Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:06 pm

Nation Application

Full Nation Name: United Republic of Great Britain and Ireland

Short Nation Name: British Republic, United Republic, or Great Britain.

National Symbols: The Green Flag

Capital: London

Territory: The isles of Great Britain and Ireland form the territorial core of the Republic. Beyond the isles, Britain rules the largest and mightiest colonial empire in history, with holdings in North America (Canada, Jamacia, the Bahamas, the West Indies, and British Guyana), Africa (The Gambia, Sierra Leone, Guinea, Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya, Uganda, Somaliland, Tanzania and Zanzibar, and Rhodesia), Asia (British Malaya), and many island holdings. In 1926 and 1930 a series of Conferences between the British government and the governments of Britain's Dominions (major colonies granted self-rule) were held, and in 1931 the agreements made at the London Conferences were put into law; the Westminster Statutes granted effective independence to the Dominions of Canada, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, and India.

Form of Government: Britain is De Jure the Federal Democratic Republic, based upon the London Charter of 1791. De Facto, however, since the October Coup, the Republic has been effectively a one-party state, with the National Republican Party holding the majority of seats and lesser parties such as the Conservative Party effectively reduced to controlled opposition in a coalition called the National Government. Many new laws passed by the National Government have granted sweeping powers and authority, effectively neutralizing the devolved power of the Republics.

Effective executive control is held by the Grand Protector and Commander-In-Chief, a member of the Armed Forces Council selected by that body. The Armed Forces Council operates as a shadow government, setting not only joint military policy but also setting policy for the civilian National Government, whose members are civilians acting in line with the Council's ideology. Nationals control the Parliament of the United Republic, ever since non-coalition parties were outlawed, but act mostly as a rubber stamp to laws pushed by the Government. The Grand Protector is able to issue Edicts and Decrees which immediately are legally binding, and these are used to ensure the control of the Armed Forces Council. The Grand Protector also appoints the Prime Minister, who in turn chooses members for his government, although these members are always vetted by and sometimes chosen by the Armed Forces Council. In turn, the Prime Minister and his government enact the Council's will, handling the running of the nation, and is aided by the deep enrootment of party members across the nation; all civil servants are party members, and expulsion from the party for contravening its word will result in loss of office. The most powerful of these servants are Governors, who are appointed by the Prime Minister and hold effective dictatorial powers over the Counties they are granted.

Head of State: Grand Protector and Commander-In-Chief Henry Wilson

Head of Government: Prime Minister Henry Page Croft

Ideology: The ruling National Republican Party seeks to eliminate class and sectarian conflicts by creating one true National identity, based around service and loyalty to the British Republic and Nation. As part of this, the Nationals support conscription and rampant militarism, control over the press and political apparatus to provide "Honest Politics", and policies to provide contentment within the working class so as to unite both Employer and Employee, rather than pitting them against each other. In short, the National Republicans, and their puppet allies in the National Government, stand for the implementation of a militarist, anti-communist, corporatist, paternal state, and supports unquestioningly the Stratocratic iron grip of the Armed Forces Council. While united on these lines, members within the National government and even within the Armed Forces council disagree on policy often, with older members such as Grand Protector Wilson and Prime Minister Croft being adherents of British Toryism, wishing merely to protect the status quo and fight the Communist menace, while younger members such as army General J.F.C. Fuller pushing a more radical ideology based in the total abolition of democracy and civilian government, along with odd occultist and anti-Semitic beliefs, both of which find merit within members of the officer corps and elites. For now, unity is found in ideals of a strong British state, and the looming war against the Marxists.

Population: Approximately 47 million citizens live within the British Isles, and a further disenfranchised population within the greater British Commonwealth, including colonial territories and Commonwealth Dominions. The bulk of the colonial population lies within the Commonwealth Dominions, primarily Canada, South Africa, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, which the Republic has no direct control over following the London Conferences and the Westminster Statutes.

Military Description: The British Army, British Navy, and British Air Force all fall under the command of the Armed Forces Council, which legally exists within the Department of the Armed Forces. It is led by the Commander-In-Chief of the Armed Forces Council or CIC-AFC. The Grand Protector, Henry Wilson, holds both the military title of CIC-AFC and the civilian legal title of Secretary of State for the Armed Forces, placing him in command of both the Armed Forces Council and the Department of the Armed Forces, effectively merging the civilian and military administrations into one. The Council together, led by the Grand Protector, sets general military policy and appoints members to subdepartments and units apart of the military bureaucracy. The Army is led and represented by the Commander of the General Staff, the Navy by the First Admiral of the Republic, and the Air Force by the Air Marshal of the Republic.

The National Government has implemented a policy of Mandatory Service, with British citizens required to serve a limited form of conscription during peacetime. Citizens serve either of two units: the Regular Army, a standing force of men with approximately 695,000 men; and the Army Reserve with around 570,000 men. The Regular Army fields sixteen Infantry Divisions and the Army Reserve has twenty reserve infantry divisions and one cavalry division. Fuller's mechanization drive has resulted in the British Army fielding three Armored Divisions as part of the Armoured Corps, formed in the early 1930s from the merger of regular Cavalry regiments and the Tank Corps; the 1st, 2nd, and 7th Armored Divisions. Each Infantry Division is rated for 13,863 men in three brigades of three battalions each, with attached support units and support artillery; Armored Divisions are two Armored Brigades of three Regiments each with a Support Group including supporting artillery and motorized infantry. Additionally, Britain keeps up the Militia's, small volunteer battalions which by law cannot see service outside of Britain, and during war are used for interior duties in support of the police or guard duty.

The British Air Force and British Navy are roughly equivalent to OTL.

Tech Tree: British

Economic Description: Fueled by the riches of earth's largest empire, managed by Europe's foremost industrialists, and run on the backs of those who work for pennies, Britain is a soaring eagle that's finding itself reaching its zenith. The birthplace of the industrial revolution, its small size, and reliance on the empire have limited it in comparison to the constantly growing economies of the United States and the endless mineral wealth of the rapidly industrializing Soviet Union. The economic policy of the National Government is a strange mix of full support for unbridled capitalism and full state control in service of the idea of creating an economy based on cooperation between employer and employee. The purpose of the economy, in the eyes of the Party, is to serve the Republic. State-owned companies were privatized and those friendly to the regime were granted favorable contracts. Laws were amended to increase government control and regulation, introducing party functionaries into the workspace. The economy was still privately owned, with profits going to the corporate elite, but much of the production was directed by the party. Some industries are even directly seized, such as arms manufacturing. Trade Unions are legally prohibited, although some continued to act in secret, in favor of reconciliation and labour relation boards, where bosses and workers collaborate to settle disputes. These bodies are heavily controlled by the party and mostly exist as a method of allowing workers' frustrations to be settled in a controlled manner.

Goals: Maintaining the Empire, stopping the spread of Communism, and protecting the Republic from Marxist revolution.

Point of Divergence: King Charles I, of the Stuart dynasty, made a royal mess of England. Involved in controversy until the day he died, he nonetheless changed England and the British Isles forever. An adherent of the divine right of Kings to rule with absolute power, his contempt for Parliament and his illegal actions resulted in the English Civil War, and a larger war between the King, rebels in England, a rebellion of the Scots, and a rebellion of the Irish; the War of the Three Kingdoms. The Parliamentarians fought for the supremacy of parliament and the rule of the people, but their hopes were cut down alongside one of their brightest commanders, Oliver Cromwell, at the Battle of Marston Moor. Royal victory there allowed Charles to end the rebellion of the Scottish Covenanters. With the New Model Army of Parliament on its back foot, their commander, Lord Fairfax, defected, betraying the parliamentarians and bringing over men and leaders. The New Model Army fought on, reduced to a band of radicals led by the most radical of them all, Sir Henry Ireton, they were eventually put down, and the reign of the Stuarts made supreme. Soon after, Charles turned on the Irish, ending their attempted Confederacy, and with brutality brought it to heel as a domain of England.

The Stuart line continued for a century after. English King's conducted a policy of "Thorough", a centralization of the state around the absolute power of the monarch. In 1715, the crows of England, Scotland, and Ireland were united as one United Kingdom. While the absolutism of the Stuarts rubbed many wrong, threats to their rule were always dealt with, either through force, political maneuvering, or silencing. The golden era of James III's rule placated many, convincing them that the King's rule benefited all. But his successor faced worse challenges. Charles III, already unpopular for his brutal slaughter of Republican rebels in 1745, oversaw a war in the New World to desperately put down rebellion by the American colonists, a war that he unexpectedly lost thanks for French intervention. Liberals in England took the success of the American Revolution as proof that the monarchy was not divinely ordained and wasn't invincible; it could be defeated. Economic woes in the wake of the loss and the death of Charles III radicalized more to the Republican "Grand Old Cause". A revolt by members of the navy, led by a young officer named Horatio Nelson, gave the spark to the uprising of the United Societies, an alliance of the United Irishmen, United Britons, and United Scotsmen, three Republican groups. Their militias faced off against royalist forces loyal to the unpopular catholic King, Henry IX, and despite everyone's expectations, won. Their success was soon followed by that of the French, whose own revolution succeeded shortly after the first Republican government of Thomas Paine was inaugurated following the London Charter, which united the nation as a federal state of the three Republics; Ireland, Scotland, and England. The United Republic was born.

History: Paine attempted to steer the government of the new Republic along with his ideology of a benevolent Republic, but the devastation of the war drove many within the United Britons to radicalism. Paine died shortly into his term as Prime Minister, and his image was quickly picked up by the so-called "Jacobins" (adopting the name of their allies in France) to make him a martyr and a cult-like figure. Jacobin Radicals took control in the following election and turned the militias into a permanent police force. They implemented many radical social programs advocated by Paine but also began a campaign against counter-revolutionaries including the arrest and seizure of property from thousands accused of being secretly loyal to the Stuart monarchs. Not even politicians were safe, as leading Liberals such as Charles Fox were imprisoned for speaking out against the new Radical government. Fox's arrest, in particular, enraged the opposition, and they rallied around a man who used to be the leader of liberal republicanism in Britain. Those opposed to the Jacobins broke from the United Republicans and formed the Liberal Society.

A conspiracy soon emerged; prominent politicians of the Liberal Society, sympathetic commanders in the Army, and the commander of the Republican Navy himself, Horatio Nelson, decided that the reign of the Jacobins had to end. In a swift coup on January the 9th, 1810, members of the government were arrested by regiments of the army, the militia in London was detained and disarmed, and prominent political prisoners were released. The Council of State was abolished and parliament temporarily suspended, with Horatio Nelson being declared "Grand Protector of the Republic". The conspirators believed that they might face civil war for their actions, but instead, the militia largely came in line with the new government. Fiercest resistance was in the cities, primarily London, Manchester, and Liverpool, but the stationing of troops in these cities kept public order; troops that in many cases had just come home after Nelson ended British involvement in the French revolutionary wars. The loyalty of the Republics was also assured as Nelson maintained their domestic parliaments, only suspending the Parliament of Great Britain with promises of new elections. With most Jacobin leaders either in jail or barred from office, the United Republicans finally dissolved. In the new elections, a host of different parties ran, including a new Irish Parliamentary Party allied with the Liberal Party, the new name for the Liberal Society. Nelson's government even rolled back much of the revolutionary era policies, allowing a new Conservative Party to be formed out of many former Tories and moderate Liberals.

What few radicals were left in politics ran under the name of the Republican party, but only gained a few seats and eventually disappeared after a few cycles as the Liberal party effectively co-opted many of the social policies of the radicals. Britain after 1810 became a Liberal Democracy, very similar to the United States of America, guided for many years by the Liberal Party until the resurgence of the Conservatives during the 1840s due to the shock incurred by radical revolutions on the continent and the resurgence of radicalism at home with the founding of the Fabian Society. Under regular elections various parliaments came and went, each forming a government led by a prime minister who largely carried on the status quo with small changes between them. The late 19th century Liberals, for example, championed a new policy of social reform, creating a welfare state in Britain. Abroad, a colonial empire was formed, first in Asia as the East India Company was expanded and then annexed directly into Parliamentary control, and then in Africa during the very late 19th century. All the while the steady swing back and forth between the conservatives and the liberals maintained peace and growth, both parties supported by the large elite of industrialists and businessmen.

Then the world was plunged into World War. Prime Minister H.H. Asquith had been riding on the high of the 1911 election of the 30th Parliament of the United Republic, the best for the Liberals in decades, and expected to end his term quietly as a respected statesman responsible for building a welfare state in Britain; instead, a war was dumped into his lap. German aggression was at its height and their boots on Belgian soil were the last straw, as most major powers in Europe had agreed to respect Belgian neutrality at the nation's inception. Hearts hardened in the House of Commons and eventually, a Declaration of War was delivered to the German Ambassador. Months later, troops of the British Expeditionary Force landed in France and Flander.

Asquith's government ran into issues after the initial phases of the war. When the trenches were dug, the machine guns emplaced, the artillery brought up, and the battles began to amass casualties in the hundreds of thousands, Britain's volunteer army began to lack men and munitions for the fight. The Shell Criss of 1915 came as a result of the heavy use of artillery outstripping the supply of shells due to a miss accounting of need. The Battle of Aubers was a failure, and the British media ran stories about how the guns at Aubers had literally run out of ammunition, leaving the infantry without support. Another controversy for Asquith was the matter of conscription, as, despite the war department's raising of volunteer battalions, British units were beginning to lack for reinforcements to replace the dead and wounded. While seen as necessary, the most senior and main-line members of the Liberals were ideologically opposed to conscription and fought it. Asquith's responses to these challenges were ineffective attempts at mediation and compromise. It did not help that his allies often alienated him from members of parliament and even his own party, such as when his ally and friend Winston Churchill oversaw the disastrous landing of British and Commonwealth soldiers in the Dardanelles in an attempt to seize Constantinople, opening the passage to the Black Sea and Britain's ally in the Russian Empire. The initially successful landing ground to a halt, with troops stuck on the beaches under constant Roman fire until they were eventually evacuated; the disaster caused the resignation of First Admiral Fischer in protest, and public condemnation of the Secretary of State for the Navy. Asquith's Secretary of State for War, Richard Haldane, was harassed by the press with accusations of pro-German sentiments.

At the end of 1915 came elections for a new parliament. Asquith was overseeing a fracturing Liberal party, with his main internal opponent being the war hawk David Lloyd George. The shell and munitions shortages were still ongoing, Churchill and Haldane continued to hold office despite vehement public condemnation, and conscription still had not been passed. General Henry Wilson, Chief of Staff of the British Expeditionary Force, had been fed up with the deadlock of parliament and decided to enter the race. Vere Ponsonby, an Anglo-Irish businessman, politician, and officer was Wilson's friend and ally in this venture, as the two joined Arthur Russel, a former member of the Irish Parliamentarian Party, and two former Conservatives, Richard Cooper, and Henry Croft, in forming a new party; the National Republican Party. The party was orientated almost entirely to opposition to Germany and to the prosecution of the war. They had as their focus conscription, centralization of munitions procurement, anti-German propaganda, and opposition to Asquith, particularly his government ministers such as Haldane.

The National Republicans gained a number of defections primarily from the more conservative members of the Liberal party and the Irish Parliamentarian Party, the latter of which almost entirely disappeared in the 1915 election as most either joined the National Republicans, or the Irish separatist party Sinn Fein, which gained its first parliamentary seats this election; although they boycotted and never took up the seats. The remaining Irish Parliamentarians eventually voted to reorganize as the Irish Liberal Party, effectively a regional branch of the main Liberal party. They came in fourth in the election results, a surprising gain for a brand new party. While the Liberals lost their majority, they maintained a plurality and as such managed to retain the ability to form a government. Asquith and Conservative leader Bonar Law negotiated for a national government but a sticking point came to the matter of Secretary Haldane; Asquith, despite the pressure, supported his friend and ally against the obvious slander of the press, and refused to dismiss him. After two months, when the year passed over into 1916, and no government had been formed, the eyes of the public were disgusted at the breakdown in the halls of government. Men were dying in the thousands and parliament couldn't even form a government.

On January 22nd, David Lloyd George and several other Liberal MPs crossed the aisle and joined the conservative party. This was orchestrated by Bonar Law, who initially was working with George to attempt to oust Asquith in an internal Liberal Party coup, but when they seemed impossible suggested this option. The Conservatives now held plurality but needed more to outvote the Liberals, and so Law turned to the National Republicans. Prime Minister Law was elected by Parliament in February with a coalition government of Conservatives, "National Liberals" (Those who had defected with Lloyd George), and the National Republicans, notably with Henry Wilson as Secretary of State for War working with Lloyd George who was appointed "Secretary of State for Munitions". While led by Law and the conservatives, the need to keep the National Republican vote to maintain the majority meant that this new party held a large amount of sway in the coalition, and they used it to enact acts such as Conscription throughout the Three Republics.

Conscription was controversial for Liberals and those on the Left Wing, but no more so was it controversial than in Ireland. While equal in footing to England and Scotland, Irelands smaller population meant that it often felt it was being dragged along by England and Scotland to decisions it effectively had no way of saying No to; or, at least, this was the view of Irish Nationalists, those who remembered Ireland before English colonization, who coalesced around the political party Sinn Fein and formed volunteer militias such as the Irish Citizens Army. In 1916, Irish Nationalists and Socialists rose up in Dublin, seizing several government buildings in the name of the Irish Republican Brotherhood and for the independence of the Irish Republic, with provisional President Patrick Pearse. They were initially opposed by members of the Irish police and Garda, although after defections from the Garda the Law government decided, probably on the advice of Wilson, to send in regular troops. With bullets and artillery, the streets of Dublin became a warzone, and ultimately the rebellion was put down.

However, the government, pressured by the Anglo-Irish politicians of the Conservative and National Republican party who looked down on and feared a revolution of the Catholic native Irish, took a heavy hand to the situation. Leaders of the rebellion were executed without trial under wartime powers granted by Parliament, and a controversial vote in parliament suspended the Irish Parliament by one vote. Ireland was effectively placed under martial law, shocking many of its citizens who had seen their sons die in British units in Europe, only to be thanked by being treated as a hostile nation. Sinn Fein and some Irish Liberal members of the now-suspended Irish Parliament formed their own organization, the "Dail", and claimed to be the legitimate government of the Irish Republic. Surviving units from the Dublin uprising, militias from the countryside, and new volunteers were reorganized as the Irish Republican Army, led by Michael Collins, with first blood being drawn late in 1916. Wilson would, for the rest of the World War, find his attention split between the management of the army, the fighting on the west front, and putting down the rebellion in Ireland with a mixed force of regular army and locally recruited Irish Garda units.

In 1918 the writings of a staff officer in the Tank Corps, a branch just established last year, reached the desk of Henry Wilson, who was thoroughly impressed by its radically innovative plans for a mass tank assault to end the war. Wilson took this officer, J.F.C. Fuller, into his staff and together revised the plan. A sum of close to 5,000 tanks was planned to be used, although the actual amount fell short due to production limitations. Despite this, the weakness of the German army, unknown to the British high command, made it a pushover when Fuller's plan was put into action. New and heavier Mark VIII tanks were supported with artillery barrages to break through German lines, while faster medium tanks like the new Whippets and Renault's of France used their speed to disrupt the German's supply lines and interior areas as infantry funneled into the breaks in the enemy line and aircraft supported ground troops with bombing runs. The Germans had learned that they could effectively counter British tanks with artillery, but the now five-year-long blockade had starved the nation's industries, and the German army was haggard and ready at a moment's notice to collapse, and so the tanks ran almost freely straight into the Germans lines, targeting centers of command and plunging deep into the Rhineland. When British tanks rolled into Cologne, German Communists took the opportunity to begin armed uprisings of militias and defecting military units, causing the now collapsing German government to agree to an armistice with the Entente to focus inwards.

British and French troops occupied the Rhineland while civil war raged in Germany, but despite the urging of Henry Wilson, Bonar Law would refuse to commit British troops to intervention against the German Communists, an act that was broadly popular with a war-weary Britain who viewed the fighting as an internal matter of a hated enemy. Still, Britain did covertly support and publically recognized the German National Government or DNK as the rightful German government, and it was with them that the allies negotiated a final peace. The Treaty of Versaille ceded Alsace-Lorraine to the French Republic, involved Germany admitting fault for the war, and had Germany agree to pay reparations to the Entente powers in return for the withdrawal of Entente forces from Germany. The civil war, however, meant that the DNK had no real way of paying this, and so an agreement brokered by Law agreed to stall German payments for the duration of the conflict, and in return, the DNK agreed to cooperate with the allied occupation of the Rhineland, which had its raw materials, notably coal, extracted and delivered to Britain and France without compensation as a form of reparations. This was extremely unpopular with citizens of the Rhineland, who became radicalized by being worked for no pay by Entente military administrators at the ends of rifle bayonets. The Communist Party exploded in popularity and resistance to the Entente occupiers became armed, with Entente troops and DNK armed paramilitaries clashing with Communist militias daily. Eventually, the fighting became taxing on the occupying powers, and not worth the wealth being extracted from the Rhineland. In late 1919, after Communist successes in the civil war threatened the collapse of the DNK, Entente forces withdrew permanently from the Rhineland, leaving a power vacuum fought over by DNK and communist paramilitaries, eventually resulting in a Red victory.

At home, the 1919 election became known as the "Coupon Election", as the conservatives gave out "Coalition Coupons". These were letters with the names of members of the coalition given to supporters to know who to vote for; the campaign gave a huge swell to all members of the coalition, keeping the National Liberals and National Republicans in the running despite their reputation for being temporary splinter parties. Law's government continued into the 32nd Parliament, riding high on the public jubilation at the end of the war and the demobilization of the army. Only, the army wasn't immediately demobilized; instead, it continued to fight in Germany and Ireland. The war in Ireland had been low scale compared to the western front but it had been continuous and public pressure due to war weariness and agitation by emboldened Communist and Trade Union groups was firmly opposed to the continuation of the fighting. Despite this, the entire term of the 32nd Parliament would be dominated by the Irish War.

Law refused to give in unless the IRA agreed to a negotiated peace without independence, perhaps because of the gain the National Republicans had gained in the coupon election requiring him to rely even more on the Anglo-Irish. Regular army units, shipped in from the western front, were disgruntled at not being able to go home, and often took their anger out on the Irish population, who came to fear and hate the "Black and Tans" of the British Army and of the almost entirely Anglo-Irish Garda auxiliaries. Stories of individual acts of brutality, including common reprisals against Irish towns for IRA ambushes, reached home and were published by Liberal and left-leaning newspapers. The cause of the Irish was taken up most enthusiastically by the Labour party, who overtook the Liberal party for the first time in the 1919 election to become the main opposition party in parliament.

A ceasefire was called in 1922 to allow for negotiations, but these would eventually fall through as independence could not be agreed to, and so fighting started up against in the fall. This pattern would repeat, with ceasefires being called every several months only for negotiations to fail. The Conservatives would not agree to independence, and the Irish Provisional Government would not agree to continued Union with England and Scotland. Thankfully for the Irish, the Conservatives wouldn't stay in power very long; the term of the 32nd Parliament was up, and new elections were called in 1924. In a surprise victory, Ramsay MacDonald's Labour party managed to win a plurality in parliament and formed a government in an uneasy alliance with H.H. Asquith's damaged Liberal party. The first Labour government in history shocked the British establishment to its core and facilitated a crisis that pitted the institution of the Republic against the ruling class's interests.

MacDonald's short government initially focused on demobilization of the army, and as part of this wanted to end the last theatre of combat that Britain was involved in. The Anglo-Irish Treaty of 1924 agreed to grant independence to the Irish Republic in return for the northern counties of Ulster, which was primarily controlled by the Anglo-Irish, being able to hold a plebiscite on whether to join the Republic or stay in the Union; armed Anglo-Irish paramilitaries under the banner of "Unionists" intimidated voters and ensured Ulster stayed in the Union as the "Government of Northern Ireland". This treaty caused a civil war in Ireland as those who supported it, primarily the leaders of the provisional government including Michael Collins, fought units of the IRA who opposed the treaty due to it giving up the northern counties.

The National Republicans and their figurehead Henry Wilson vocally and publically lampooned the Labour government for overseeing the disintegration of the Union by giving Ireland over to revolutionaries. The loss of the Conservatives in the 1924 elections and Wilson's public campaigning made the National Republicans the primary ideological opponent of the Labour party, and so members of the conservative party defected to the National Republicans, even more so after Wilson made a deal with Lloyd George and merged the National Liberals into the National Republicans, turning the newly merged party into the third-largest in parliament behind the conservatives.

A primary fear of the British middle and upper classes, and one of the main reasons MPs began to join the National Republicans, was the rapidly growing threat of Communism. First, the Tsar had been overthrown in 1917 and then the Bolsheviks had taken power leading to a civil war in Russia that Britain had intervened in briefly. Then, Germany fell into a civil war that was ended in favor of the German Communists. Nations of Europe seemed to be falling like dominos to Marxism, and many thought it would require a strict but intelligent policy to maintain Capitalism and the current state of society that benefitted the middle and upper classes. A policy of class collaboration, namely attempting to intervene in the economy through regulations targetted at improving conditions for the working class and on bringing workers and bosses together, rather than pitting them against each other which served only to give a breeding ground to Marxism. This is what made the National Republicans a popular alternative to the Conservatives.

This fear of Communism reached a terror as summer turned to fall with two incidents. An Anglo-Soviet treaty was signed on August 7th, which normalized trade between the two nations and also included as part of it a loan to the Soviets, which Lenin wanted to help his New Economic Program. Negotiations continued after the signing of this treaty over the topic of British holdings of bonds and capital which had been seized in Russia, but the media speculated that these negotiations were actually aimed towards the formation of an Anglo-Soviet Alliance, bringing Britain into the sphere of the Communist Internationale. The second incident which heightened fears of the Labour party being a Communist front was the Campbell Case, in which MacDonald directly intervened and called off the prosecution of the Communist newspaper "Workers Weekly", which was being prosecuted for reports on the Anglo-Irish War that were critical of the government, and calls for a proletarian revolution in Britain. Critics in the National Republican party used the case to claim Macdonald's government was abusing its power and held goals of the Communist revolution.

It was widely believed that MacDonald was on the verge of seizing power just like the Bolsheviks had done in the October Revolution of 1917. Three years earlier, the French Republic, led by Liberals and Leftists, had failed the French people, and so Napoleon VI led a military coup to restore order and sensible democratic government. While Liberals had denounced it as an authoritarian return to Monarchy and MacDonald had cut relations with France, the model of Napoleon's coup seemed to provide a reasonable precedent for how to handle the imminent Communist revolution. Of course, MacDonald had no such plans of Communist revolution, but even when he said so, he wasn't believed. Those who most disagreed with him were members of the British Army, which had been shaped by Henry Wilson for nearly eight years into a professional, modern, and mechanized army, but also one staffed by his protege's, allies, and followers; all of which agreed with him and the positions of his National Republicans, or at least were sympathetic or viewed Communism as a greater evil.

October 13th was when the signal was given. Soldiers of the 2nd, 8th, and 10th Infantry Divisions supported by the 11th and 22nd Tank Battalions entered London and seized several key government buildings before fanning out and occupying the streets in an echo of Nelson's Coup at the beginning of the Republic. The Metropolitan police were confined to their stations and disarmed for fear of disloyalty, and debate in parliament ground to a halt as trucks filled with infantry drove out front. Labour and Liberal MPs attempted to block the door with benches and tables but got into fistfights with National MPs. Soldiers marched into the Commons with lists of dissident members of the Labour and Liberal parties, including MacDonald who was not present although several of his government ministers were. In fact, MacDonald was late, but on his way was informed of the Coup and so fled on a ship to Germany. By the time MacDonald touched German soil, London was under complete martial law. Most of the Labour party was in jail and similar mobilizations of troops were being called across Great Britain, including the seizure of the Scottish Parliament.

At 3:30 pm, Henry Wilson addressed the nation in a national radio broadcast. In it, he accused MacDonald of having been a spy for the Communist Internationale and claimed to have a letter in his possession, intercepted by Military Intelligence, from Soviet Minister Zinoviev, in which he and MacDonald discussed how MacDonald would bring Britain into the sphere of influence of the Soviets. MacDonald, Wilson said, was a traitor to his country, and the military was forced to step in to stop the treasonous plot and restore order. Involved in this plot, Wilson claimed, was most of the leadership and political office holders of the Labour party, along with members of the Liberal party who were sympathetic to Labour, all of whom were arrested and would be tried for their crimes. Unfortunately, this left Britain without a government, and also without an executive as the Presidents of England and Scotland were part of those arrested, leaving the Tribunal of the Republic empty save for the representative from Northern Ireland. As such, Wilson declared that an emergency vote of Parliament had declared him "Grand Protector", and that he would become the sole office holder in the Tribunal for the duration of the emergency.

Shortly after Wilson's address, he held a meeting with major leaders of his National Republicans and the Conservative party. An agreement influenced by the force Wilson wielded as the uncontested leader of the British military created a National Government through the cooperation of the two parties, with the National Republicans clearly as the senior partner despite having fewer MPs. Henry Page Croft was selected as Prime Minister due to his senior position and popularity within the National Republicans, along with his connections with the conservative party. Within the week a new government had been formed of National and Conservative ministers, but soldiers still stood on every street corner in London and it was clear that democracy would not be complete. Wilson, Croft, and many Nationals believed that MacDonald's election had proved that democracy needed to be guided, not corrupted by gossip magazines and the whims of the people, but instead lead by honest and rational decisions. So the new National controlled parliament passed a series of Enabling Acts which primarily focused on expanding the powers of the Prime Minister and the Grand Protector, removing multiple legal protections and limits, and giving the Grand Protector the power to make law through Edicts. Wilson's first edict combined the Secretary of State for the Navy and the Secretary of State for War into the position of Secretary of State for the Armed Forces, which he then had Croft appoint him to, giving his command of the nation's military a rubber stamp of legitimacy. He shortly afterward formed the Armed Forces Council, bringing together the officers, generals, and admirals who supported Wilson and performed the coup for him into a combined body for the coordination of military policy, both in regards to war and domestic policies.

The office of Grand Protector had effectively replaced the Tribunal of the Republic, the powers of the Grand Protector and Prime Minister were expanded to be near-dictatorial, Parliament was controlled by members of the ruling National Coalition with opposition MPs in jail awaiting trial, and local government was suspended with the entire Union directly ruled from London. Croft undertook the work of cementing the rule of the National Government through reorganization of the state and official replacement of that which had been suspended during the revolution. Scotland's parliament was officially abolished along with the concept of a separate Scottish or English Republics; it was all one United Republic of Great Britain and Ireland. The historic and administrative counties were redrawn and recreated with new "Governors" appointed who held absolute and unchecked power to enact the will of Parliament within their county. These governor positions were often granted as a form of graft, giving power to conservative and business allies of the National government, along with rewards to many of its own members who had stuck with the party through it all. The Metropolitan Police was renamed to the British National Police Service, purged of Democratic and Liberal sympathetic officers, filled with retired army officers and soldiers loyal to the National Government, and then expanded across the isle through absorbing the many local police departments. Extrajudicial powers were also granted to MI5, the domestic branch of British Military Intelligence also known as the Secret Service, who would now work with the National Police to enforce government rule and find dissidents. Judges were replaced, new courts set up and staffed by National party members, local administrators made to swear loyalty to the National Government or be replaced by those loyal, and civic/social organizations either infiltrated by National party members or abolished and replaced with organizations run by the Nationals. Examples include the British Boy Scouts, which had its role reorientated towards military training for British youth and teaching the values of the National Party, and the Trade Union Congress, which was abolished along with all trade unions and replaced with the National Labour Council, a state-run Union which focused on providing better conditions to workers through collaboration with industrialists.

Resistance to the new government was almost instant. The Communist Internationale decried the reactionary coup and embraced MacDonald, who for his part played along to the Communist line, as he had no one else to turn to. While some Labour moderates joined the National Government or retired, those who had believed in Macdonald's promise of a Worker's Government turned to an alliance with the British Communists, beginning an underground resistance which was at its strongest in the Clydeside region, where government influence was strongly contested. In North Ireland, a low-level armed campaign by anti-treaty IRA members began to pick up after the coup suspended the North Irish Government. Both of these became major targets of the National Police, who regularly cracked down on protests and riots, sometimes with lethal effect, while the Secret Service detained Communist and Liberal agitators, never to be seen again as they were tortured and executed.

Irish resistance was another thing, as the IRA operated on both sides of the border in Ireland. Wilson, who had always been against Irish Independence, decided to lead the reclamation of his birthplace. While this faced some criticism from the Conservative party members, they were kept in line by Croft. An IRA ambush on a military supply caravan in the North Irish countryside was cited as justification for the use of military force, with the government claiming that the Irish Republic and its President, W.T. Cosgrove, were supporting the IRA. This was patently false, as Cosgrove had been actively fighting the IRA for their opposition to his Pro-Treaty stance. But that's what was given as justification when British troops crossed the border and entered Ireland in the Spring of 1928. No declaration of war had been delivered, as three years before the Croft government had declared the Anglo-Irish Treaty and all other treaties and laws signed by the MacDonald government null and void due to Macdonald's conviction in absentia of Treason. So, Britain did not recognize Ireland as an independent Republic, and as far as they were concerned this military action was an internal matter. International observers did not agree.

Troops of the small Irish National Army were no match for troops and tanks of the British Army, and within a month Dublin had been occupied. Cosgrove, wishing to not see any more bloodshed, surrendered to the British Army. Surviving members of the National Army and members of Eamon de Valera's Fianna Fail party fled into the countryside joining up with the IRA to continue the resistance. Anglo-Irish politicians were appointed as governors in Ireland, with land expropriations taking place as British landlords wished to take back what was lost in the Irish revolution.

Coming into 1937 the British Republic seems stable, with the National Government forming a united front exacting a firm grip over British society. But cracks are appearing in the Republic; Communist resistance continues as a long-smoldering flame, Irish Republicans have not stopped their attacks and ambushes, ideological disagreements in the National Government are occurring between traditional conservatives and followers of the populist British Fascists, and the Grand Protector, the old man whose absolute power and laser focus on stopping the spread of Communism has kept the national government together, has just turned 73, and his age is showing on his face and in his actions; many wonder if he will be able to continue to hold office, and if he cannot, who will replace him?

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Would the British send something akin to the Macartney Mission to the Ming, and would they allow for the sales of weapons and technological goods like IRL? If not, I might need to change my app.

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Monarchist France and Republican Britain, what a switch
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Postby Kenobot » Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:36 pm

Well this throws my history completely off. Might be due for a major rework of my app.
Major problem is that dominions could only be so IRL because they proclaimed homage to a common monarch, where as now there is no monarch.
If it is Parliament to which they pay homage, then the Statute of Westminster is void.
I highly doubt they would pay common homage to the Grand Protector; seems a bit weird.
Might go for an Indian/British exiles Empire-in-exile. Would we continue to use the Stuart line?
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Postby The Traansval » Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:14 pm

Kenobot wrote:Well this throws my history completely off. Might be due for a major rework of my app.
Major problem is that dominions could only be so IRL because they proclaimed homage to a common monarch, where as now there is no monarch.
If it is Parliament to which they pay homage, then the Statute of Westminster is void.
I highly doubt they would pay common homage to the Grand Protector; seems a bit weird.
Might go for an Indian/British exiles Empire-in-exile. Would we continue to use the Stuart line?

If you want to sure but I wrote in the Commonwealth and Dominions to it, read Territory section. It's just a natural progression from the Responsible Governments to self-rule. Dominions have a Governor-General who acts as representative of Parliament. I tried to make it so your history works fine.

Edit: Also the history Is only partially there. The Grand Protector is a very, very recent thing. From 1810 to basically 1924 Britain is a truly democratic republic with a ceremonial HoS in the form of a council of the Presidents of England, Scotland and Ireland.

Strala wrote:Would the British send something akin to the Macartney Mission to the Ming, and would they allow for the sales of weapons and technological goods like IRL? If not, I might need to change my app.

The MacCartney mission actually happened OTL directly during my revolutionary period so maybe not at the time it happened but one happening later sure. I'm amenable to whatever you want to do for your history.
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Kenobot wrote:Well this throws my history completely off. Might be due for a major rework of my app.
Major problem is that dominions could only be so IRL because they proclaimed homage to a common monarch, where as now there is no monarch.
If it is Parliament to which they pay homage, then the Statute of Westminster is void.
I highly doubt they would pay common homage to the Grand Protector; seems a bit weird.
Might go for an Indian/British exiles Empire-in-exile. Would we continue to use the Stuart line?

If you want to sure but I wrote in the Commonwealth and Dominions to it, read Territory section. It's just a natural progression from the Responsible Governments to self-rule. Dominions have a Governor-General who acts as representative of Parliament. I tried to make it so your history works fine.

Edit: Also the history Is only partially there. The Grand Protector is a very, very recent thing. From 1810 to basically 1924 Britain is a truly democratic republic with a ceremonial HoS in the form of a council of the Presidents of England, Scotland and Ireland.

Strala wrote:Would the British send something akin to the Macartney Mission to the Ming, and would they allow for the sales of weapons and technological goods like IRL? If not, I might need to change my app.

The MacCartney mission actually happened OTL directly during my revolutionary period so maybe not at the time it happened but one happening later sure. I'm amenable to whatever you want to do for your history.

Okay. In my app, the Ming dynasty and court decide to concede with some British terms such as the opening of ports and the establishment of a British embassy in Nanjing. One of the butterfly effects I was hoping for was the strengthening of the Ming military during that time period, and to prevent the Opium wars as Britain has a way to counter the massive trade deficit it had OTL (Idk if your Britain will also have this deficit).

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Postby The Orson Empire » Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:50 pm

Alright, since the original player dropped out, I've got an idea for a semi-industrialized Egypt. Basically, after the Strategos of Egypt successfully revolts against the Romans in 1821, Muhammad Ali leads a successful Islamic revolt against him in 1827, becoming the Sultan of an independent Egypt. Muhammad Ali successfully implements his modernization reforms and the country begins to rapidly westernize and industrialize, and he also leads a campaign to conquer Sudan. In the 1870's, the Sultanate is reformed into the United Kingdom, and becomes a secular constitutional monarchy. The United Kingdom sides with the winning side of WW1, and afterwards occupies the northern portion of Palestine in a bid to restore order in the region in the midst of the Palestinian Civil War. The Ghassanids would be seen as a menace by Egypt, likely provoking future "peacekeeping operations" in the region.

Also, is there a Discord yet?

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Postby Tracian Empire » Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:39 pm

Kenobot wrote:Well this throws my history completely off. Might be due for a major rework of my app.
Major problem is that dominions could only be so IRL because they proclaimed homage to a common monarch, where as now there is no monarch.
If it is Parliament to which they pay homage, then the Statute of Westminster is void.
I highly doubt they would pay common homage to the Grand Protector; seems a bit weird.
Might go for an Indian/British exiles Empire-in-exile. Would we continue to use the Stuart line?

I'm not all that familiar with the Statute of Westminster, but I do feel like the concept could still work even if Britain is a republic.

Alternatively if you want to keep a monarchic flavor, some sort of a British monarchy in exile could work, but considering how hostile most of Asia is to European colonialism, the two of you should try to make it so that Britain and British India do get along, otherwise British rule in the region won't last long.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:40 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:Alright, since the original player dropped out, I've got an idea for a semi-industrialized Egypt. Basically, after the Strategos of Egypt successfully revolts against the Romans in 1821, Muhammad Ali leads a successful Islamic revolt against him in 1827, becoming the Sultan of an independent Egypt. Muhammad Ali successfully implements his modernization reforms and the country begins to rapidly westernize and industrialize, and he also leads a campaign to conquer Sudan. In the 1870's, the Sultanate is reformed into the United Kingdom, and becomes a secular constitutional monarchy. The United Kingdom sides with the winning side of WW1, and afterwards occupies the northern portion of Palestine in a bid to restore order in the region in the midst of the Palestinian Civil War. The Ghassanids would be seen as a menace by Egypt, likely provoking future "peacekeeping operations" in the region.

Also, is there a Discord yet?

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Conceptually that would work, reservation accepted.

And no, there is no Discord yet, we have one planned and it will most likely launch later this week as most people get accepted and the IC starts going.
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Postby Finland SSR » Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:00 am

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Full Nation Name: The British Empire of India

Short Nation Name: British India

National Symbols:
The Union Jack, the official flag of the Empire
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National Emblem
Seal of the Parliament of India
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Capital: New Delhi

Territory: India, Pakistan, Burma, Bangladesh

Form of Government: Westminster system Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy

Head of State: King-Emperor Edward VIII with Princess Cheluvajammani of Mysore as his Queen Consort

Head of Government: Prime Minister Sikandar Hayat Khan

Ideology: Following the flight of the exiles following the revolution in 1780, a wave of political dissidents of all stripes began to appear in India; escaping first the moderate Republicans, then the Jacobins and finally the dictatorial National Republican Party. Republicanism had been a disastrous experience in the Home Isles and it was clear that a strong, yet restrained Monarch must lead the nation. For the last 120 years, these two ideas have carried true in the restored British Empire with universal suffrage, including that of women and Indians, being introduced in 1916. Before this, universal male suffrage was in place for those of British descent.

Population: 390, 305, 300

Military Description:
The British Indian Army

The British Indian Army stands some 200,000 strong, with four corps.
I Corps are based out of Calcutta and are the most well equipped formation of the Army and are the dedicated Expeditionary Corps of the Indian Army for overseas conflicts.
II Corps are based out of New Delhi and include the Household Division, the Monarch’s protective unit, as well as a division of Gurkhas
III Corps are based in Lahore and include many Sikh units. They are responsible for the defence of the west and north-western border defences.
IV Corps are based in Rangoon, with defence of the eastern border being their primary responsibility.
The British Indian Army inherited the best traditions of the pre-revolution British Army and has since been shaped by the traditions of Indian military thinking as well as the reality of modern combat experience in Burma fighting and destroying the communist insurgency of 1928.
The Army are equipped with functionally local variants of the British Rifle Arsenal, 125 Premier Limited built Armoured Cars and a dozen Mahindra & Mahindra prototype Cruiser Mk1 Tanks.

The Royal Navy

While the British Indian Army inherited the best traditions of the British Army, the Royal Navy didn’t inherit its traditions from the Royal Navy of old, but the British East India Company sailors. While initially sailing frigates and converted trading ships, as the advent of ironclads gave way to battleships, destroyers and battlecruisers, Indian industry had reached a point at which they could begin a shipbuilding industry, but first they had to acquire a ship to reverse engineer. As luck would have it, royalist spies in Britain had managed to acquire the plans to the Dreadnought in 1912, with construction of an Indian variant based on the designs beginning in 1914 and completed in 1917. Upon her launch, while obsolete when compared to her counterparts, she was the pride of the Indian fleet which until that point had been purchased from the French and Italians. As Indian engineers evaluated the practical performances of the Dreadnought variant, in 1920 a new program of two battleships and four heavy cruisers was prepared. These ships would be based upon the lessons learnt during sea trials and the perceived lessons learnt during the Great War, with more armour, a better engine and more safety procedures and features to avoid magazine detonation. Now in 1937, the Indian Navy consists of two Hindustan-class Battleships (Revenge-class Battleship equivalent) and four Delhi-class Heavy Cruisers (County-class cruiser equivalent).

The Royal Air Force

The Royal Air Force, while certainly the smallest of the services, is one of its most innovative. While few active aircraft have found their way into the service of the Royal Air Force, many prototypes have been tested over the last 20 years and the latest prototypes, the Hindustan Motors Bengal Tiger(Hawker Hurricane equivalent) and the Addisons Haathee(Bristol Blenheim equivalent), are set to enter production by mid-1937 following the completion of testing.


Tech Tree: Swedish

Economic Description: Once independence was secured in 1817 the first King-Emperor George IV and his first Prime Minister and Hero of the rebellion, Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington, instituted wide-ranging reforms across the sub-continent that ended the economic pressures on the Indian economy which had previously kept it down in a commodity-based economy and saw its wealth pillaged and shipped off-shore. The East India Company was abolished and its assets absorbed by Parliament. Over the course of the first half of the 19th Century, this was the government’s primary agenda and saw the early stages of Indian industrialisation with help from the small but steady flow of exiles from the Home Isles and elsewhere in Europe. By 1870, new agricultural techniques and equipment had arrived in the sub-continent which had enabled India to finally be able to feed itself without imports. At the turn of the 20th Century, the Indian economy was at an all-time high, overtaking their Chinese counterparts and in stiff competition with the Japanese.

Now in 1937, the Indian economy is growing at a rapid pace however issues of rapid urbanisation haven’t been properly addressed, leading to issues of poverty and homelessness in regional cities outside the big five (Calcutta, New Delhi, Bombay, Madras and Lahore).

Goals: Reclaim the Home Isles, maintain social harmony, continue building ties between British exiles and the Indian communities, Maintain the Crown and Parliament

Point of Divergence: Following the British revolution(See British app), political dissidents and those unjustly hunted by the new authorities fled to the far reaches of the Empire, with India being the primary destination.

History: With the death of Henry and the exile of many of the nobility and other political dissidents following the British Revolution, the British Monarchy seemed lost forever. But as fate would have it, many of the exiles sooner or later found themselves in India alongside the British East India Company. While the company was aware of the presence of many dissidents that would be wanted in London, it was thought that they would be more useful to the company in India than in the Tower of London. The exiles for their part established large communities in Calcutta, Madras and Bombay, which helped bring exiles and those seeking asylum to India where they would be safe, welcome and prosperous; though a bit humid.

As the exile communities continued to grow, the nobility in exile in India gathered in secret as a pseudo-House of Lords in Calcutta to plan for the future. The primary objective would be deciding who the next in-line to the throne would be. With the death of the last Stuart Monarch died the Stuart line, but the next in-line was a Catholic Stuart descendant. The nobility was almost entirely Anglican and so a document titled the “Act of Settlement 1798” was passed by the House of Lords, which explicitly prohibited Catholics from being included in the line of succession, which led the Lords to proclaim George IV of Hanover as King. While it was thought unlikely that George would accept the title, the ongoing revolutionary wars in Europe led to George accepting the claim immediately. Before George could push for the throne in the Isles themselves however, Britain dropped out of the war.

In the intervening time, the numbers of the exiles swelled; those fleeing the violence on the continent, those fleeing the persecution of the Jacobites and those seeking fortune and glory in India. Noting the Republicans in Europe would be distracted by their participation in the French revolutionary wars, in 1804 the exiles in India overthrew the East India Company and proclaimed the birth of the British Empire of India.

While initially only holding territories of the company in India, the first 12 years of the Empire were spent in constant conflict, expanding direct and indirect control across the eastern and southern parts of India. It was during this period that George IV made his first and only trip to his Indian realms, arriving in Calcutta to great fanfare.

Following the initial conquests, official representations were made to the Monarchs of Europe for recognition, few of which were granted at first.
Over the course of the next 20 years, the stabilization of British rule began and eventually in 1836, William IV died and Queen Victoria took the throne. Victoria represented the beginning of a unified Indian and British society, with the extension of most rights bar suffrage to the Indian populace, whom until this point had largely been serfs and peasantry. As the revolutions of 1848 hit Europe, the War of 1848 hit the Sikh Empire and the few remnants of the Indian Princely States as they were invaded under the guise of liberating and civilising the continent.

As the winds of 1848 began to have their effect in the sub-continent, Indians began demanding Home Rule; something which the British could never give. Instead in 1860, Indians were given the right to sit in parliament, but still could not vote. It would take until 1916 for Indians and women to be given the right to vote thanks to the public advocacy of the Indian People’s Prince, the Prince of Wales, Edward. In his advocacy, Edward attracted much attention and was granted an audience with Maharaja of Mysore, whom he befriended. Introducing the future King to his family, Edward was introduced to the Maharaja’s youngest sister Princess Cheluvajammani and it was love at first sight. After a brief courtship, the two would marry in 1917. The future of the Crown was secure and in doing so, Edward had binded the British exiles and Indian people together even closer.

Edward VIII ascended the throne upon the death of King George V only months ago and he has already begun his mission to bind the people of India and the monarchy into an eternal union, so that once the Home Isles are reclaimed India will stay with Britain.

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Finland SSR wrote:I think I will have to drop out as Poland, just realized that I have way more on my plate than I thought.

It's a shame, but understandable. If you'll ever want to rejoin, you'd be more than welcome.
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Kenobot wrote:Major rework WIP, but this is it so far
Nation Application



Full Nation Name: The British Empire of India

Short Nation Name: British India

National Symbols:
The Union Jack, the official flag of the Empire
Britannia, personification of the Empire
Proposed flag of the Dominion of India post-Homecoming


Capital: New Delhi

Territory: India, Pakistan, Burma, Bangladesh

Form of Government: Westminster system Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy

Head of State: King-Emperor Edward VIII with Princess Cheluvajammani of Mysore as his Queen Consort

Head of Government: Prime Minister Sikandar Hayat Khan

Ideology: Following the flight of the exiles following the revolution in 1780, a wave of political dissidents of all stripes began to appear in India; escaping first the moderate Republicans, then the Jacobins and finally the dictatorial National Republican Party. Republicanism had been a disastrous experience in the Home Isles and it was clear that a strong, yet restrained Monarch must lead the nation. For the last 120 years, these two ideas have carried true in the restored British Empire with universal suffrage, including that of women and Indians, being introduced in 1916. Before this, universal male suffrage was in place for those of British descent.

Population: 399, 305, 300

Military Description:
The British Indian Army


Tech Tree: Indian

Economic Description: Once independence was secured in 1817 the first King-Emperor George IV and his first Prime Minister and Hero of the rebellion, Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington, instituted wide-ranging reforms across the sub-continent that ended the economic pressures on the Indian economy which had previously kept it down in a commodity-based economy and saw its wealth pillaged and shipped off-shore. The East India Company was abolished and its assets absorbed by Parliament. Over the course of the first half of the 19th Century, this was the government’s primary agenda and saw the early stages of Indian industrialisation with help from the small but steady flow of exiles from the Home Isles and elsewhere in Europe. By 1870, new agricultural techniques and equipment had arrived in the sub-continent which had enabled India to finally be able to feed itself without imports. At the turn of the 20th Century, the Indian economy was at an all-time high, overtaking their Chinese counterparts and in stiff competition with the Japanese.

Goals: Reclaim the Home Isles, maintain social harmony, continue building ties between British exiles and the Indian communities, Maintain the Crown and Parliament

Point of Divergence: Following the British revolution(See British app), political dissidents and those unjustly hunted by the new authorities fled to the far reaches of the Empire, with India being the primary destination.

History: With the death of Henry and the exile of many of the nobility and other political dissidents following the British Revolution, the British Monarchy seemed lost forever. But as fate would have it, many of the exiles sooner or later found themselves in India alongside the British East India Company. While the company was aware of the presence of many dissidents that would be wanted in London, it was thought that they would be more useful to the company in India than in the Tower of London. The exiles for their part established large communities in Calcutta, Madras and Bombay, which helped bring exiles and those seeking asylum to India where they would be safe, welcome and prosperous; though a bit humid.

As the exile communities continued to grow, the nobility in exile in India gathered in secret as a pseudo-House of Lords in Calcutta to plan for the future. The primary objective would be deciding who the next in-line to the throne would be. With the death of the last Stuart Monarch died the Stuart line, but the next in-line was a Catholic Stuart descendant. The nobility was almost entirely Anglican and so a document titled the “Act of Settlement 1798” was passed by the House of Lords, which explicitly prohibited Catholics from being included in the line of succession, which led the Lords to proclaim George IV of Hanover as King. While it was thought unlikely that George would accept the title, the ongoing revolutionary wars in Europe led to George accepting the claim immediately. Before George could push for the throne in the Isles themselves however, Britain dropped out of the war.

In the intervening time, the numbers of the exiles swelled; those fleeing the violence on the continent, those fleeing the persecution of the Jacobites and those seeking fortune and glory in India. Noting the Republicans in Europe would be distracted by their participation in the French revolutionary wars, in 1804 the exiles in India overthrew the East India Company and proclaimed the birth of the British Empire of India.

While initially only holding territories of the company in India, the first 12 years of the Empire were spent in constant conflict, expanding direct and indirect control across the eastern and southern parts of India. It was during this period that George IV made his first and only trip to his Indian realms, arriving in Calcutta to great fanfare.

Following the initial conquests, official representations were made to the Monarchs of Europe for recognition, few of which were granted at first.

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Looks alright so far
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Wait, is Gibraltar available?
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Arvenia wrote:Wait, is Gibraltar available?

I forgot to add it on the map, but I think that it should be included in Britain's reservation alongside Malta.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:24 am

Wansul wrote:Parts of my application are still WIP, but I'd love feedback on any of the completed parts.
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Nation Application

Full Nation Name: República Argentina


Should have it up later today, or by tomorrow!

Looks pretty great so far
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