by GuessTheAltAccount » Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:34 pm
Bombadil wrote:My girlfriend wanted me to treat her like a princess, so I arranged for her to be married to a stranger to strengthen our alliance with Poland.
by The Alma Mater » Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:45 pm
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by The Black Forrest » Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:25 pm
by Haganham » Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:27 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Burning books is always a bad thing.
Even when the books have racism, discrimination and stereotypes. Burning the past doesn’t improve people. It aids in the creation of myth. Studying the follies of the past is the only way to improve.
by Republic Of Ludwigsburg » Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:28 pm
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by Picairn » Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:32 pm
by The Alma Mater » Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:58 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Burning books is always a bad thing.
by The Black Forrest » Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:05 pm
by Old Tyrannia » Fri Sep 24, 2021 2:18 am
by Ifreann » Fri Sep 24, 2021 4:45 am
Picairn wrote:Useless virtue signaling and a waste of paper, no less.
by Vassenor » Fri Sep 24, 2021 4:51 am
Picairn wrote:Useless virtue signaling and a waste of paper, no less.
by Dakini » Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:07 am
by Kragholm Free States » Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:14 am
by Ifreann » Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:17 am
Kragholm Free States wrote:Book burners are enemies of humanity itself.
by Kragholm Free States » Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:18 am
by Ifreann » Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:28 am
by Kragholm Free States » Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:48 am
Ifreann wrote:Kragholm Free States wrote:Nah.
Ever see that stupid Day After Tomorrow movie? They're running away from the cold in a library at one point and need to light a fire to keep warm, and one dude flips about them burning books and destroying human cultural treasures during the apocalypse. So they burn copies of the tax code.
I don't know if I'd read them as enemies of humanity.
by Grave_n_idle » Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:52 am
GuessTheAltAccount wrote:https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/school-life/canadian-schools-under-fire-for-reconciliation-book-burning/news-story/7f83c6b893908b7df9d1cb8fa4adb383
Remember when there was an uproar over someone who made a big public spectacle of burning his own copy of the Qur'an? At least that was his to burn. Aren't the taxpayers whose money was taken from them to fund libraries at public schools at least entitled to a refund for the cost of the books that were burned? And when you consider that some of said taxpayers are no longer around to receive their refund, or to weigh in on whether they're okay with the books their tax dollars paid for being burned as long as the money is paid to their loved ones, is even a refund enough to make it ethical? People condemn this stuff, but condemn it more mildly than the Qu'ran one, when it should be the other way around.
As I seem to recall, at the time popular opinion, however split on Islam itself, seemed to be making book burning out to be an especially distasteful way to express your disapproval of a book. I disagree. I don't mind the act of book burning itself if it's your own book. The publisher's already got your money, dude. But shouldn't this be even worse? That book is no longer just a book. That is now public property that is being destroyed. Wouldn't that make it vandalism at the very least?
I also recall that popular opinion blamed "right-wing" ideology for why they thought it appropriate to burn books. But obviously it depends on the books. In this case it's pretty clear that they're not burning books in spite of their "left-wing" ideology, but partly because of it. So why associate book burning with "right-wing" ideology in particular?
by Lady Victory » Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:54 am
by Ifreann » Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:19 am
Kragholm Free States wrote:Ifreann wrote:Ever see that stupid Day After Tomorrow movie? They're running away from the cold in a library at one point and need to light a fire to keep warm, and one dude flips about them burning books and destroying human cultural treasures during the apocalypse. So they burn copies of the tax code.
I don't know if I'd read them as enemies of humanity.
I don't know if fictional characters in a fictional scenario in, as you say, a stupid movie, really count.
by Grave_n_idle » Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:37 am
by Kragholm Free States » Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:45 am
Ifreann wrote:Kragholm Free States wrote:
I don't know if fictional characters in a fictional scenario in, as you say, a stupid movie, really count.
The movie is stupid, I was not misrepresenting it when I said they were running away from the cold, but it illustrates a possible scenario in which burning books might not be an unmitigated evil. An emergency situation in which people need to light a fire to survive. Would people in such a situation really be enemies of humanity if they burn books rather than die? Especially when those books are of no particular cultural import and are easily replaced? Probably not. So as I said, it depends what books one is burning and why.
Burning books to symbolically repudiate the racism within? If they're not the last surviving copies of the books in question or otherwise unique, it's a bit cringe, but hardly an attack on the human soul itself or anything like that.
Grave_n_idle wrote:Kragholm Free States wrote:Nah.
No?
So why has no one made a big fuss about the much bigger news story of East Lake County Library in Sorrento, Florida?
There's a movie waiting to be made, right there - a cabal of librarians getting together to create a fake library account (named after the alias of a character from Burn Notice) to bump the circulation of endangered books so that the library district wouldn't burn them?
Books get destroyed all the time. Let's not buy into this false equivalence garbage. Intent 100% matters.
by Ifreann » Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:04 am
Kragholm Free States wrote:Ifreann wrote:The movie is stupid, I was not misrepresenting it when I said they were running away from the cold, but it illustrates a possible scenario in which burning books might not be an unmitigated evil. An emergency situation in which people need to light a fire to survive. Would people in such a situation really be enemies of humanity if they burn books rather than die? Especially when those books are of no particular cultural import and are easily replaced? Probably not. So as I said, it depends what books one is burning and why.
Burning books to symbolically repudiate the racism within? If they're not the last surviving copies of the books in question or otherwise unique, it's a bit cringe, but hardly an attack on the human soul itself or anything like that.
Very well, I shall amend my statement: Book burners, except in a survival situation where they need to start a fire and for some reason all they have is books, are enemies of humanity. That's fair enough. Politically motivated book burning, though, is unforgivable no matter the shade of politics involved.
by Grave_n_idle » Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:08 am
Kragholm Free States wrote:I'm not sure why nobody's made a big fuss about it,
Kragholm Free States wrote:...but I'm glad the librarians decided to take action against the district burning those books - I really don't think lack of people reading a particular book warrants its destruction.
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