by Cetacea » Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:17 am
by Page » Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:39 am
by Page » Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:54 am
Mostrov wrote:They are not large protests, simply a small disgruntled group. The vast, vast majority are staying within the bounds of the law. Something not mentioned but critical to understanding this: all construction, with small exceptions, has been shut down. Builders had very poor compliance with health measures but were seen as politically crucial and important to the economy. IPage wrote:People there are being arrested just for being outside. Not doing a damn thing, simply being outside, even though it's virtually impossible to spread or catch covid just walking around. Honestly Australia has gone so North Korea lately that I think a little insurrection is well-justified.
And a no-fly zone for media helicopters? If that red flag was any bigger you could cover the whole continent with it.
And I hate to sound like a broken record, but police arresting people will spread the virus far and wide. You cannot enforce a lockdown without spreading the virus.
No one is being arrested for "being outside".
The no-fly zone was probably to avoid any media coverage which might encourage more to join. This power is being tested in the courts.
by Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 » Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:11 am
by Risottia » Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:42 am
Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 wrote:... many of these "disgruntled workers" had rather... suspiciously clean high-vis gear on.
by Infected Mushroom » Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:02 am
by Cedoria » Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:05 am
by Page » Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:48 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Protests shouldn’t be allowed, especially under COVID conditions.
If the Melbourne police went ahead and enforced a blanket ban on protests while enforcing such a decree with reasonable and proportionate force, it’s something I would stand behind.
Public health safety and law and order must come first.
by Arvenia » Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:04 am
by The New California Republic » Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:16 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Protests shouldn’t be allowed, especially under COVID conditions.
by Farnhamia » Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:42 am
Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 wrote:First off, no, the CFMEU never authorised these riots, it was obvious when the rioters protested outside CFMEU hq as they were for the vaccine mandates. Second, it has been revealed that many of these "disgruntled workers" had rather... suspiciously clean high-vis gear on. Personally I think the acts of police haven't gone far enough, I mean let's be real, police officers were brutalising people who were protesting against such hostile actions, why not just beat these fuckers instead, "wah wah, we don't want the vaccine because some memes on Facebook said they were bad, wah wah", fucking rubber skulls
by Stellar Colonies » Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:37 pm
Cedoria wrote:Tommorow the cops should load their guns with vaccine shots and fire them at the crowd.
Problem solved. And no need to waste good pepper spray on Nazis that way.
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by CoraSpia » Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:43 pm
by Rosefort » Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:51 pm
CoraSpia wrote:There is not one single reason for a blanket ban on protest to be justified. Not pandemic, not war, not mass unrest not natural disaster. This is never justifiable and Australia should be ashamed of itself. Never allow fear, no matter how justified, to allow for the imposition of tyranny.
by Galloism » Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:53 pm
Rosefort wrote:CoraSpia wrote:There is not one single reason for a blanket ban on protest to be justified. Not pandemic, not war, not mass unrest not natural disaster. This is never justifiable and Australia should be ashamed of itself. Never allow fear, no matter how justified, to allow for the imposition of tyranny.
Uh? So their 'protest' was justified even though many were showing inappropriate behaviour towards the vaccine workers and breaching COVID-19 rules that are in place? Here in Australia, we've had cases increase rapidly, especially today, we've reached 700-something cases in Victoria, and you're telling me that the ban on 'protest' is not justified? The whole 'protest' was wholly not endorsed by the trades union, nor did the government approve this farce, for reasons as we know. Secondly, what they've done (the 'protesters') in the ANZAC memorial shrine was frankly despicable behaviour, and they should be ashamed of themselves for attending such a site for their political agenda.
I do not understand why people inject their view and proclaim that the Victorian State is a nanny state... Like what Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 said earlier in this thread, is very much correct as well as Mostrov in certain areas.
by Rosefort » Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:59 pm
Galloism wrote:Rosefort wrote:
Uh? So their 'protest' was justified even though many were showing inappropriate behaviour towards the vaccine workers and breaching COVID-19 rules that are in place? Here in Australia, we've had cases increase rapidly, especially today, we've reached 700-something cases in Victoria, and you're telling me that the ban on 'protest' is not justified? The whole 'protest' was wholly not endorsed by the trades union, nor did the government approve this farce, for reasons as we know. Secondly, what they've done (the 'protesters') in the ANZAC memorial shrine was frankly despicable behaviour, and they should be ashamed of themselves for attending such a site for their political agenda.
I do not understand why people inject their view and proclaim that the Victorian State is a nanny state... Like what Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 said earlier in this thread, is very much correct as well as Mostrov in certain areas.
Just to be clear, although I don’t agree with what they are protesting about, if the government has to “approve” your protest, you do not have a right to protest. I hope you don’t think you actually have the right to protest now.
by CoraSpia » Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:00 pm
Rosefort wrote:CoraSpia wrote:There is not one single reason for a blanket ban on protest to be justified. Not pandemic, not war, not mass unrest not natural disaster. This is never justifiable and Australia should be ashamed of itself. Never allow fear, no matter how justified, to allow for the imposition of tyranny.
Uh? So their 'protest' was justified even though many were showing inappropriate behaviour towards the vaccine workers and breaching COVID-19 rules that are in place? Here in Australia, we've had cases increase rapidly, especially today, we've reached 700-something cases in Victoria, and you're telling me that the ban on 'protest' is not justified? The whole 'protest' was wholly not endorsed by the trades union, nor did the government approve this farce, for reasons as we know. Secondly, what they've done (the 'protesters') in the ANZAC memorial shrine was frankly despicable behaviour, and they should be ashamed of themselves for attending such a site for their political agenda.
I do not understand why people inject their view and proclaim that the Victorian State is a nanny state... Like what Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 said earlier in this thread, is very much correct as well as Mostrov in certain areas. The police force on what they've done is perfectly legal in Australia.
by Galloism » Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:02 pm
Rosefort wrote:Galloism wrote:Just to be clear, although I don’t agree with what they are protesting about, if the government has to “approve” your protest, you do not have a right to protest. I hope you don’t think you actually have the right to protest now.
Legally speaking in normal circumstances, you can BUT due to the current issue that's going around, yeah, it's just that.
<snippy irrelevant legal stuff>
by CoraSpia » Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:03 pm
Galloism wrote:Rosefort wrote:
Legally speaking in normal circumstances, you can BUT due to the current issue that's going around, yeah, it's just that.
<snippy irrelevant legal stuff>
Yes, like I said. You don’t have the right to protest. You are allowed to protest if the government says they don’t mind.
by Rosefort » Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:04 pm
CoraSpia wrote:Rosefort wrote:
Uh? So their 'protest' was justified even though many were showing inappropriate behaviour towards the vaccine workers and breaching COVID-19 rules that are in place? Here in Australia, we've had cases increase rapidly, especially today, we've reached 700-something cases in Victoria, and you're telling me that the ban on 'protest' is not justified? The whole 'protest' was wholly not endorsed by the trades union, nor did the government approve this farce, for reasons as we know. Secondly, what they've done (the 'protesters') in the ANZAC memorial shrine was frankly despicable behaviour, and they should be ashamed of themselves for attending such a site for their political agenda.
I do not understand why people inject their view and proclaim that the Victorian State is a nanny state... Like what Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 said earlier in this thread, is very much correct as well as Mostrov in certain areas. The police force on what they've done is perfectly legal in Australia.
It doesn't matter who approved your protest and who didn't, or whether you thought the protest was suitably respectful.
To be clear, these people could have been protesting about the right to carry AK47s in primary schools, or they could have been protesting about the right to wear roses in their hair. I don't care what it's about in the slightest. The place where they were protesting could have whatever covid rate that you want to propose; still don't care.
The right to protest about the actions of your government is one that is intrinsic in a democratic society. It is not something that a government should have the ability to turn on and shut off like a driver with a car, nor is it one that they have any business regulating.
by Galloism » Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:08 pm
Rosefort wrote:CoraSpia wrote:It doesn't matter who approved your protest and who didn't, or whether you thought the protest was suitably respectful.
To be clear, these people could have been protesting about the right to carry AK47s in primary schools, or they could have been protesting about the right to wear roses in their hair. I don't care what it's about in the slightest. The place where they were protesting could have whatever covid rate that you want to propose; still don't care.
The right to protest about the actions of your government is one that is intrinsic in a democratic society. It is not something that a government should have the ability to turn on and shut off like a driver with a car, nor is it one that they have any business regulating.
Check the above post in matters of the topic I've pointed out...
1) How are guns related to this topic...?
2) As for the 'right to protest', our state is still under the State of Emergency, and we've had cases increasing because of the disgruntled workers/or whatever you call them over their nonsense... As for whether the government has the right, frankly, it's a given delegated power, and will only be applied when it is necessary at times such as this.
by CoraSpia » Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:08 pm
Rosefort wrote:CoraSpia wrote:It doesn't matter who approved your protest and who didn't, or whether you thought the protest was suitably respectful.
To be clear, these people could have been protesting about the right to carry AK47s in primary schools, or they could have been protesting about the right to wear roses in their hair. I don't care what it's about in the slightest. The place where they were protesting could have whatever covid rate that you want to propose; still don't care.
The right to protest about the actions of your government is one that is intrinsic in a democratic society. It is not something that a government should have the ability to turn on and shut off like a driver with a car, nor is it one that they have any business regulating.
Check the above post in matters of the topic I've pointed out...
1) How are guns related to this topic...?
2) As for the 'right to protest', our state is still under the State of Emergency, and we've had cases increasing because of the disgruntled workers/or whatever you call them over their nonsense... As for whether the government has the right, frankly, it's a given delegated power, and will only be applied when it is necessary at times such as this.
by Uiiop » Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:09 pm
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