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Should the State of Israel have a right to exist?

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Qazaq Persia
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Postby Qazaq Persia » Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:30 pm

Why is this a question? Of course the State of Israel has a right to exist, just as much of a right as the State of Palestine does.

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Postby Boomhaueristan » Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:33 pm

This is bait.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:57 pm

Using the idea that everyone should be safe from oppression is an extremely ironic way to defend a militaristic apartheid state.
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Postby Praetoriius » Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:10 pm

It has the right to exist, but that right can and should be revoked if it continues to be so pugnacious towards Palestine.

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:49 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Course it fricking should. I dont like the shit they do to the Palestinians but Israel should continue to exist as a country, ideally alongside with Palestine but fat chance of that happening.

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Postby Great Algerstonia » Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:31 pm

Ifreann wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Course it fricking should. I dont like the shit they do to the Palestinians but Israel should continue to exist as a country, ideally alongside with Palestine but fat chance of that happening.

Both Israel and Palestine are true Ulm clay.

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Should the Zionist régime have a right to exist?

Postby Deacarsia » Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:55 pm

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The Greater Gothic Empire wrote:I have said it many times and I will say this again—the ethnostate of Israel has no 'right' to exist. Building on this clause you should answer, "for what reason?" I have long disdained the 'two-state solution' as it more likely gives a lot of chances for Zionists and sympathizers to continue with their settler colonialist expansions and their war crimes.


And be replaced with a Crusader State that treats Muslims as second-class citizens?


Ironically the Crusader States treated Muslims rather well (bad form to oppress the locals that outnumber you), leaving them alone as long as they paid their taxes. Muslims preferred Crusader rule to that of the neighboring Muslim rulers. This is why there were never any Muslim rebellions in the Crusader States. I imagine they were quite disappointed when the Crusaders ended up getting the boot.

Yea, exactly. I support the establishment of a Crusader State along these lines.
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Postby Algebra and Geometry » Wed Sep 08, 2021 2:18 am

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Neo-Western East Korea wrote:the middle east should be a part of brazil


How? The Middle East and Brazil have nothing in common and are on opposite parts of the world.

That is more like relating potatoes with Apples.
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Postby Algebra and Geometry » Wed Sep 08, 2021 2:21 am

Qazaq Persia wrote:Why is this a question? Of course the State of Israel has a right to exist, just as much of a right as the State of Palestine does.

Israel is good , Palestine bad, I support Israel.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Sep 08, 2021 2:23 am

Algebra and Geometry wrote:
Qazaq Persia wrote:Why is this a question? Of course the State of Israel has a right to exist, just as much of a right as the State of Palestine does.

Israel is good , Palestine bad, I support Israel.


So ethnic cleansing against Palestinian settlements is OK then?
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Postby Deacarsia » Wed Sep 08, 2021 2:31 am

Vassenor wrote:
Algebra and Geometry wrote:Israel is good , Palestine bad, I support Israel.


So ethnic cleansing against Palestinian settlements is OK then?

Apparently so, if you believe this nonsense.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:04 am

It's been there a good long while, I think it's a bit of a moot point to ask if it should or should not. Should the sun rise in the morning? Doesn't matter, it's going to anyway.
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Postby Algebra and Geometry » Wed Sep 08, 2021 7:41 am

Deacarsia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So ethnic cleansing against Palestinian settlements is OK then?

Apparently so, if you believe this nonsense.

It's rightfully Israel's ancestral land , these Palestinian s are recent immigrants from Iraq or Jordan , they settled there barely a few hundred years ago.
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Postby Etheral Babylon » Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:48 am

It's a country, it exists whether you like it or not. So yes, obviously.

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Postby Luziyca » Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:48 am

Both Israel and Palestine have the right to exist, even if I do think that it would make the most sense to have a Bosnia and Herzegovina-esque/Belgium-esque federation in the region instead of having two states, of which one can never be truly viable as a sovereign state, and the other oppresses those residing in the former.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:53 am

Algebra and Geometry wrote:
Deacarsia wrote:Apparently so, if you believe this nonsense.

It's rightfully Israel's ancestral land , these Palestinian s are recent immigrants from Iraq or Jordan , they settled there barely a few hundred years ago.


This isn't true at all.
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Postby -Ra- » Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:54 am

Speaking on purely Lockean terms, the State of Israel has a right to exist because its citizens broadly consent to its existence, and freely bind themselves to its laws and customs, for the purpose of securing their collective weal and protection.

Vassenor wrote:
Algebra and Geometry wrote:Israel is good , Palestine bad, I support Israel.


So ethnic cleansing against Palestinian settlements is OK then?

What does this have to do with Israel's right to exist?
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:55 am

Algebra and Geometry wrote:
Deacarsia wrote:Apparently so, if you believe this nonsense.

It's rightfully Israel's ancestral land , these Palestinian s are recent immigrants from Iraq or Jordan , they settled there barely a few hundred years ago.


So you agree that it's time for all the Europeans to leave the Americas?
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Postby Andretopia » Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:56 am

No, not even palestine. None of them

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Postby The A Empire » Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:58 am

No, Cause fuck 'em

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Postby Turk Cumhuriyeti » Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:14 am

Yes, if it respects the rights of every citizen.

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Postby Helidan » Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:21 am

New haven america wrote:No states should exist.

A united humanity is a much better option but people apparently don't like each other.

Like orange Fanta united humanity, or true communism united humanity?
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Postby Deblar » Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:24 am

Helidan wrote:
New haven america wrote:No states should exist.

A united humanity is a much better option but people apparently don't like each other.

Like orange Fanta united humanity, or true communism united humanity?

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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:27 pm

Algebra and Geometry wrote:
Deacarsia wrote:Apparently so, if you believe this nonsense.

It's rightfully Israel's ancestral land , these Palestinian s are recent immigrants from Iraq or Jordan , they settled there barely a few hundred years ago.

Ancient empires don't give anyone the right to drive people who live in a place out. Land is land, and it's the rightful home of whichever individual lives there.
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Postby Deacarsia » Wed Sep 08, 2021 2:41 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Algebra and Geometry wrote:It's rightfully Israel's ancestral land , these Palestinian s are recent immigrants from Iraq or Jordan , they settled there barely a few hundred years ago.


This isn't true at all.

You are right; it is not remotely true. This is insanity.
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