by Tinhampton » Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:27 am
by Klaus Devestatorie » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:03 am
by Mingulay Isle » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:35 am
by Aenglaland » Sun Aug 29, 2021 9:25 am
Tinhampton wrote:Problem 3: defending is sexy... raiding isn't.
by The Python » Sun Aug 29, 2021 12:56 pm
Tinhampton wrote:In 2020, Roavin complained that update bending made liberations impossible - yet there have been at least five this year (Japan, North Africa, Prima Victoria, Chaylia, and Liberal Democratic Union - which was retaken yesterday), as well as at least two pre-emptively thwarted raids in Australiasim and The United Caribbean Island Alliance. The only occupations I can remember that lasted more than a day or so were Genua (which gave us the largest update jump EVER), a couple of other fashbashes, Moomin Valley (LWU) and possibly Alnobia.
by Pterodaxtyl » Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:59 pm
Tinhampton wrote:Now look at how close the final score was - I think the raiders would still be in charge of LDU right now if they still had the converts on their side
by Refuge Isle » Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:29 pm
Tinhampton wrote:In 2020, Roavin complained that update bending made liberations impossible - yet there have been at least five this year (Japan, North Africa, Prima Victoria, Chaylia, and Liberal Democratic Union - which was retaken yesterday), as well as at least two pre-emptively thwarted raids in Australiasim and The United Caribbean Island Alliance. The only occupations I can remember that lasted more than a day or so were Genua (which gave us the largest update jump EVER), a couple of other fashbashes, Moomin Valley (LWU) and possibly Alnobia.
Raiding has entered a downwards spiral since Jakker was forced out of the Council of Hawks around the start of this year (although that particular scandal was by no means what started the collapse). There have been a few successes, but 2021 has on the whole been nowhere near as good as 2020 for raiders, and vice versa.
Compare and contrast: Dakota, a former CoH member, became a defender for the Rejected Realms Army a few weeks/months ago. Refuge Isle, also formerly of TBH, became a defender last year and has so far been pretty prolific. I can name you any number of other active (non-convert) defenders right now!
Phoenix is 2021's most high-profile convert to raiding so far; she's a nice person and she's doing a pretty good job in TBH, but she attempted to start her own raider region called The Incan Empire this spring which never really got off the ground. There are also many raiders, but they haven't really been as notable recently - see, for example, how almost nobody has posted on the TBH thread in recent months.
by Galiantus III » Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:17 pm
Klaus Devestatorie wrote:I think raiding, both purist and political, are going away soon, and we'll be left with nothing but tagging, which is barely worthy of being called raiding anyway. I've often hoped we'd at least move from purist to political- raiding is more interesting when there's a goal beyond the enjoyment of the core mechanics. But being a villain on the internet has become much trickier these days.
I hope frontier regions move us towards a more interesting world where politics aren't necessarily tied to the R/D poles, but I'm not holding out much hope. I don't even really expect there to be that many successful frontier regions at all, and any that look even remotely antagonistic will be swatted out of the sky.
Frisbeeteria wrote:For some reason I have a mental image of a dolphin, trying to organize a new pod of his fellow dolphins to change the course of a nuclear sub. It's entertaining, I'll give ya that.
Ballotonia wrote:Testing is for sissies. The actual test is to see how many people complain when any change is made ;)
by Tinhampton » Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:36 pm
Refuge Isle wrote:Triggering and chasing aside... [snip 1.5 paragraphs] ...the same is true for everything.
Refuge Isle wrote:Your over-reliance on attribution of the status quo to Jakker only speaks to how much a of a superficial lens you're looking through.
Refuge Isle wrote:Your targetted jabs at a few people switching being the reason a nearly two hundred person operation succeeded or failed is as equally myopic.
Refuge Isle wrote:Be it the intention or not, this thread we are in is the equivalent of the Liberations Are Impossible complaint, but from the perspective of raiding. Actually, that's not quite true, is it? You don't speak from the perspective of raiding, you're speaking from the perspective of someone who likes watching a television show, but it's not airing the episodes you want right now. You're speaking from the perspective of someone who likes observing raiding from the sidelines but cannot be bothered to substantively put in the effort it would take to contribute to it. This is represented by your stint in TBH where you could not bring yourself to remain even long enough to rise out of PFC.
Refuge Isle wrote:If the state of raiding is an issue to you, the effort would be better spent on being a part of the solution...
Refuge Isle wrote:...rather than meaningless soapbox commentary as a locked World Assembly delegate in a vanity region.
by Comfed » Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:41 pm
Tinhampton wrote:Philosophical contributions can - and probably do - matter. How many raids will this essay directly result in? Not a lot. Now how many raids could this essay indirectly facilitate?
by Queen Yuno » Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:45 pm
by Comfed » Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:57 pm
Queen Yuno wrote:Hey he textwalled a massive essay, HE SHOULD POST IT!
It's called a Gameplay FORUM for a reason XD
Why should only imperialists like Onder or NES get to textwall?
by Refuge Isle » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:38 pm
Tinhampton wrote:I'm not attributing anything to Jakker being stood down from the Council.
Raiding has entered a downwards spiral since Jakker was forced out of the Council of Hawks
Tinhampton wrote:(I would also like to note that rank is based on merit, not longetivity.
Tinhampton wrote:Holor Retcon Starkiller took about a year to go from Private First Class to Corporal, for example.)
Tinhampton wrote:You asserted at the beginning of your response that both raiding and defending depend on "different folks with different strengths and ideas coming together to make a plan work." And now you think that a single nation joining a military can somehow make a substantial difference to "the state of raiding?" It will probably take a lot of single nations to facilitate substantial change!
by Klaus Devestatorie » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:22 pm
Galiantus III wrote:This isn't helped with the "Embargo" resolution idea. If antagonistic regions can just be denied frontier status with a WA vote, there's not even a need to raid them.
by Lord Dominator » Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:21 am
Klaus Devestatorie wrote:Galiantus III wrote:This isn't helped with the "Embargo" resolution idea. If antagonistic regions can just be denied frontier status with a WA vote, there's not even a need to raid them.
Exactly! If you read the actual thread, it's pretty clear that Sedge already seems to have inexplicably decided exactly how the meta will work for this, and that it'll somehow only be used to target regions that are OOCly undesireable. That's incredibly short sighted and a huge step backwards for NS game design- I thought the technical team knew better than to make any assumptions about that at all. If I'm running a feeder, I'm building the voting bloc that'll embargo every single frontier region right now.
by Klaus Devestatorie » Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:13 am
Lord Dominator wrote:Klaus Devestatorie wrote:Exactly! If you read the actual thread, it's pretty clear that Sedge already seems to have inexplicably decided exactly how the meta will work for this, and that it'll somehow only be used to target regions that are OOCly undesireable. That's incredibly short sighted and a huge step backwards for NS game design- I thought the technical team knew better than to make any assumptions about that at all. If I'm running a feeder, I'm building the voting bloc that'll embargo every single frontier region right now.
…that’d only manage to work out if you could somehow manage to smack every single one (likely impossible) even if they wanted to
by A Bloodred Moon » Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:02 am
Tinhampton wrote:Raiding has entered a downwards spiral since Jakker was forced out of the Council of Hawks around the start of this year (although that particular scandal was by no means what started the collapse). There have been a few successes, but 2021 has on the whole been nowhere near as good as 2020 for raiders, and vice versa.
Now look at how close the final score was - I think the raiders would still be in charge of LDU right now if they still had the converts on their side
Chaylia had the usual suspects plus Europeia (whose Republican Navy is usually panned as too raider-y for an independent org), Founderless (a sillier, fashbashier FRA), and Alvarez (most famous for sending a tag:wa recruitment telegram a couple of months ago) - again, the same story.
Libcord has its own Update Command and is by this point mandatory for almost any would-be defender. Raiders have no similar initiatives, although they do still have their own ops servers.
At this point, Raider Unity - even within reason - is much closer to an ideal than it is to standard operating practice; I'm not saying there needs to be a Raidcord, but raiders and raider-aligned militaries do need to get their act together, start co-operating more deeply and more often.
Klaus Devestatorie wrote:Exactly! If you read the actual thread, it's pretty clear that Sedge already seems to have inexplicably decided exactly how the meta will work for this, and that it'll somehow only be used to target regions that are OOCly undesireable. That's incredibly short sighted and a huge step backwards for NS game design- I thought the technical team knew better than to make any assumptions about that at all. If I'm running a feeder, I'm building the voting bloc that'll embargo every single frontier region right now.
by Unibot III » Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:08 am
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Dakota Vytherov » Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:16 am
Pterodaxtyl wrote:The favor in R/D goes back and forth between Raiders and Defenders. That's how the game works. Last year, it favored raiders more, and this year it seems to favor defenders more.Tinhampton wrote:Now look at how close the final score was - I think the raiders would still be in charge of LDU right now if they still had the converts on their side
It is 100% not solely on the "converts" that LDU was liberated. Every single person on each side counts and maybe enlisting in a raider org to be that person that makes the difference instead of writing posts theorizing what the problem is and pinning that on people that are playing a game how they want would help more.
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by Galiantus III » Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:44 am
Unibot III wrote:I wouldn’t make any definitive claims about what the future holds for invading, although I think there are solid reasons to project that the “frontier” plan won’t have the desired impact of re-energizing R/D (among other goals). Many people have read the last rites for defending & invading in the past over the years.
by Benevolent Thomas » Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:17 pm
Ballotonia wrote:Personally, I think there's something seriously wrong with a game if it willfully allows the destruction of longtime player communities in favor of kids whose sole purpose is to enjoy ruining the game for others.
by Drop Your Pants » Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:40 pm
Benevolent Thomas wrote:The idea of "I do it because its fun" is, to me, revolting if there isn't a "why" behind the fun.
by Matthew the Man » Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:51 pm
Benevolent Thomas wrote:It is fun for me to see invaders lose at something they won at for so long.
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