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Postby Seanat » Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:29 am

I originally made a dispatch with these ideas, but thought to move them to the forum for discussion.

Purchase-able Unlimited Deck Cap

Deck capacity, the way it is (exponential cost for a small change), discourages collecting, and is quite strict if you are trying to have a large collection that has many commons and uncommons worth very little. Many have suggested increasing the deck cap x2 for example, but that is only a temporary fix that doesn't help everyone. An unlimited deck cap that could be purchased after hitting 750 deck cap or something (1.5k with supporter) for about 1000 bank would, in my opinion, be the the best way to go about this as it doesn't change the game at all for most people, only the people who want large collections and are willing to pay a lot to increase the deck cap. If this is implemented, anyone who has a higher deck cap than the 750/1500 should be refunded. This would also prevent deck cap ever becoming an issue if, for example, a new season came out in the future and would let people who have massive collections, such as every x GCR card be able to do so with less problems.
Credit to Fhaengshia for the original idea, stating "[NationStates] could just make it so you can buy unlimited deckspace for 1000 bank"

Prevent Bids and Asks Under Junk Value + Watchlist

Bids under junk value are quite annoying in my opinion. Usually people use them to put a 0.01 bid on an expensive card they want to watch, but there are some who bid under junk value maliciously to earn off of new/apathetic players to cards. Adding a watchlist would remove the need to place 0.01 bids to watch cards you want to buy, which leaves only the people trying to do the annoying thing. The watched items could appear in the Auctions tab when they have an active auction, but only to the nation watching them with at tag saying [WATCHING] similar to the [OWNED] tag. An additional page for the watched items could appear similar to the value deck page, potentially with a custom ranked order. Watched items would be visible on the card page similar to the collection tab and any nation could look at another nations watched items. Upon implementation, all bids under JV could be removed and converted to watchlist items. It would also be nice to add whole groups of items into the watchlist like "Unowned S2 Legendary cards" or something.

Better Filtering and Sorting

As it stands, you cannot filter by season and rarity at the same time. This is a slight annoyance. This should be made possible as well as the option to sort any page with a list of cards by the various columns such as bid, ask, value, copies, etc.

Proper Trading

Currently, the best way to trade cards with other nations is to gift to each other and hope they don't scam you. There should be a trade system that lets you offer to someone a trade of cards, with them being able to accept, decline, or send a counter offer. Players should be able to disable receiving trade requests and block trade requests from certain nations. Trades, if accepted, would be functionally the same as gifting. Both nations would need the deck space and pay the transfer fee. All trading would be is a more reliable and safe way for players to trade cards with each other.

Gift Receiving Options

An option to disable receiving gifts or being able to set a whitelist/blacklist of nations you can receive gifts from would be a nice feature to have for people who want to self collect or prevent someone from sending them anything that doesn't fit their collection for example.


Please let me know what you think of these ideas and if you have any criticisms or additional ideas for them.

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Postby Galiantus III » Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:07 pm

Purchase-able Unlimited Deck Cap
I've been told that large decks tend to interfere with server performance, so I don't suspect admin would like that.

Prevent Bids and Asks Under Junk Value + Watchlist
A watchlist would be great.

Proper Trading
I have made plenty of trades without getting burned, but I like this idea.
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Postby Fauzjhia » Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:57 pm

Purchase-able Unlimited Deck Cap
I agree that deck capacity is too limiting to players for no reason
But I don't agree with the idea of UNLIMITED deck expension, especially for such a low price.
I believe that limiting the price of the later deck expension or giving a bi-yearly free deck expension, say a nation exist for 2 years without CTEING = free deck expension. <I am not sure of the server handle big collection, it seem to handle 9003 and their ever growing ridiculous deck expension, and deck capacity does not limit regional collection and big farma from increasing their collection, it only limit small farmer.

Prevent Bids and Asks Under Junk Value + Watchlist

I approve watch List.

Better Filtering and Sorting

I approve

Proper Trading

I have no been scammed yet, but I do approve this idea.

Gift Receiving Options

i got no opinion on this
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Postby Coffin-Breathe » Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:04 am

I support ideas 2, 3 and 4, while I would be not happy with ideas 1 and 5.
Unlimited deck space, even if purchaseable for a large sum, would lead to, imo, mostly more players (big farmers) storing every card they draw "just in case", not to a reduction of "storage puppets". If someone wants to own such a "massive collection", he/she at least should have the problem of its ever growing costs (especially, because this wouldn´t be achievable without "big farming", which, also imo, somehow exploits and/or abuses the system); Instead I would strongly prefer if the "loophole" of "overexpanding cardspace without paying for" would be at last closed.
Also I can see no need for a "backlist" for gifts, as the receiver of such "unwanted gifted cards" simply can "junk" them, if he/she really doesn´t want them without any problem.

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Postby Tropical Isles » Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:09 pm

Purchase-able Unlimited Deck Cap

I think an unlimited deck cap would be a bad idea, but the ability to buy 2x deck cap would be a good idea. like, buying a certain trophy for your nation page would be a good idea for that.

Prevent Bids and Asks Under Junk Value + Watchlist

I approve.

Better Filtering and Sorting

I approve

Proper Trading

I approve.

Gift Receiving Options

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Postby Fauzjhia » Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:20 pm

Tropical Isles wrote:Purchase-able Unlimited Deck Cap

I think an unlimited deck cap would be a bad idea, but the ability to buy 2x deck cap would be a good idea. like, buying a certain trophy for your nation page would be a good idea for that.


How would that work with the site supporter bonus (*2)
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Postby Tropical Isles » Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:08 pm

Fauzjhia wrote:
Tropical Isles wrote:Purchase-able Unlimited Deck Cap

I think an unlimited deck cap would be a bad idea, but the ability to buy 2x deck cap would be a good idea. like, buying a certain trophy for your nation page would be a good idea for that.


How would that work with the site supporter bonus (*2)


it adds to it. like, if you buy the 2x trophy and have a site supporter trophy, you'd have 3x deck cap.
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Postby Alistia » Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:45 pm

I think all of these would be great if implemented.

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Postby Minskiev » Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:52 pm

I agree with 2, 3, and 4. 5 seems like a non-issue to me. 1 is a bad idea.
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Postby Benevolent 1 » Fri Aug 27, 2021 12:01 pm

Purchase-able Unlimited Deck Cap

Unacceptable bc of site limitations etc. etc.
No way this is happening anytime soon.

Prevent Bids and Asks Under Junk Value + Watchlist

Yes, it can be a bit of an annoying sideshow but is it worth all this effort? It maybe. I remember KK seemingly having .01 bids on almost every card Ultra Rare and lower way back on Day 2 of S1. In retrospect I wondered how did he have the bank to support it all?

Better Filtering and Sorting

I agree, this is worthy of a fix and would benefit all.

Proper Trading

Never had a problem and have done lots and lots of dual gifting since Day 2. But if it's a simple fix and easy to implement, i can support this. Not worth a big effort though.

Gift Receiving Options

This is an exceedingly minor issue to me, but if its an easy fix, i can support it.

That all being said, the biggest fixes need the most effort.
IMO, those are:
1) significantly reducing card farming and the excess puppet cards it produces.
1A) ending TCALS abuse by ending TCALS.
2) testing S3 for similar flaws or other bugs.
3) Deck Capacity cost payment plans for those nations way, way, way over capacity. Maybe starting for those at 10x over their actual capacity.
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Postby Fauzjhia » Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:06 am

Benevolent 1 wrote:xes need the most effort.
IMO, those are:
1) significantly reducing card farming and the excess puppet cards it produces.

And how you plan to do that exactly ? We already discussed the current suggestion, and unless its a limit on puppets impose by a (card moderator) there is really no way I can see any change coming anytime soon.

Benevolent 1 wrote:1A) ending TCALS abuse by ending TCALS.

Plenty of farmers are just waiting FOR that, so they can use 1-owner cards to safely transfer bank from puppet to main, without ever risking an heist. Chance, here that you don,t know what the hell you are talking about.
Now, I hate transfer, and that's mainly why my puppet are full of banks, look here : 35 bank on zophie beetles. https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/ ... ie_beetles, but I assure there are plenty of farmers, who are just dreaming about this. casual players do not need to worry about TACLS whose aim is prevent transfers.

Benevolent 1 wrote:3) Deck Capacity cost payment plans for those nations way, way, way over capacity. Maybe starting for those at 10x over their actual capacity.

Why you don't just admit you are Electronic Warfare Inc. we know its you, because there is something called Trade history that records you having received a Faucault Garden from them a while. you can argue how you want, you CANNOT hide that trade.
not sure, but you seemed to argue for an Harder deck capacity limit. can't seem to agree with that currently.
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Postby One Small Island » Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:58 am

1.) Unlimited Deck Capacity.
Hard pass.

2.) Prevent bids/asks under junk value
Also hard pass. Even if I semi-routinely advise new traders against doing this, it's still their choice as to how they want to sell their cards.

3.) Watchlist

I don't see it as necessary but sure; why not. Kind of like the region dossier, but for cards.

4.) Better Filtering

Yes, please.

5.) Proper Trading

I'm not interested in it, but sure why not.

6.) Gift Recieving

If someone gifts you something you don't want then they've given you free bank. I see this as entirely unnecessary.
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Postby Benevolent 1 » Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:59 pm

Fauzjhia wrote:
Benevolent 1 wrote:xes need the most effort.
IMO, those are:
1) significantly reducing card farming and the excess puppet cards it produces.

And how you plan to do that exactly ? We already discussed the current suggestion, and unless its a limit on puppets impose by a (card moderator) there is really no way I can see any change coming anytime soon.

Benevolent 1 wrote:1A) ending TCALS abuse by ending TCALS.

Plenty of farmers are just waiting FOR that, so they can use 1-owner cards to safely transfer bank from puppet to main, without ever risking an heist. Chance, here that you don,t know what the hell you are talking about.
Now, I hate transfer, and that's mainly why my puppet are full of banks, look here : 35 bank on zophie beetles. https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/ ... ie_beetles, but I assure there are plenty of farmers, who are just dreaming about this. casual players do not need to worry about TACLS whose aim is prevent transfers.

Benevolent 1 wrote:3) Deck Capacity cost payment plans for those nations way, way, way over capacity. Maybe starting for those at 10x over their actual capacity.

Why you don't just admit you are Electronic Warfare Inc. we know its you, because there is something called Trade history that records you having received a Faucault Garden from them a while. you can argue how you want, you CANNOT hide that trade.
not sure, but you seemed to argue for an Harder deck capacity limit. can't seem to agree with that currently.


Nothing much ever gets through to you. Not even when it comes directly from Fris. There's not gonna be any card moderator. If there was, you and others would probably try and buy them off with some dupe TCALS gifting.
Your puppets are full of bank bc 1) you're spending most of your day here, probably bc you're hopelessly hooked on the game (very sad) and 2) your puppets with your TCALS cohorts (found on discord) launder bank from TCALS back and forth. Y'all need to give it a rest asap. What difference does it actually make who EWI is to anyone other than you? This seems to be another one of your overdone obsessions.

Spelling out the obvious to you again... If technical can hinder card farmers operations (or end card farms completely) then card farmers will run up their decks way past capacity by using the auction for transfers into their main. That option needs to be cut off completely in advance.

Now, to sum it up for you, end the f#cking card farming, stop the self serving or cartel operated unauthorized TCALS duplicatiors, adjust the deck capacity situation in a number of ways including a hard cap and do not implement a card moderator. All of this and more could eventually make the game fun again.

Furthermore, NS should deal with the obsessive behaviors some players have exhibited for a very long period. So let's kill two birds with one stone. S2 comes to a close, it is declared over and done. A new policy of down time between seasons is then implemented, first to keep some players mentally well. Secondly, this interim also allows time for ideas and fixes to be fully developed. Therefore, shutting the game down for some indeterminate time (between all future seasons) in order to develop S3 and seasons beyond would truly be an innovation in itself. Time is also needed to test new season fixes, thoroughly test them. S3 in particular has great expectations and will needs to live up to them. I think it's well worth the investment in downtime which is needed. Perhaps think of the downtime as an off-season. Sports leagues have them. Let's have that too.
Remember, patience is a virtue. :)
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Postby Willtechia » Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:07 pm

I find it insane that the "Proper Trading" idea isn't already a thing.
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Postby Osheiga » Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:49 pm

As someone who does the whole "bidding 0.01 to watch cards" thing, a dedicated watchlist would be super useful. Same with the filtering/sorting suggestion, not being able to specifically search for "S2 legendaries" was pretty annoying when I still had lots of cards to collect for my S2 leg collection. Thankfully other people had complete S2 leg collections that I could look through to find cards I needed, but this won't be an option for the first S3 collections or other, less commonly collected rarities.

Proper Trading sounds like a cool addition too. And although I personally probably wouldn't use it, the Gift Receiving Options thing wouldn't hurt the game or anything.

An option for completely unlimited deck cap would be nice but site limitations exist unfortunately. That said, I do think deck upgrades should be cheaper (maybe increasing linearly in cost instead of exponentially like they do now) so people can still complete very large collections within a deck cap reasonably and so there's more incentive to actually upgrade to the deck cap to be able to receive gifts and such.
Benevolent 1 wrote:Furthermore, NS should deal with the obsessive behaviors some players have exhibited for a very long period. So let's kill two birds with one stone. S2 comes to a close, it is declared over and done. A new policy of down time between seasons is then implemented, first to keep some players mentally well. Secondly, this interim also allows time for ideas and fixes to be fully developed. Therefore, shutting the game down for some indeterminate time (between all future seasons) in order to develop S3 and seasons beyond would truly be an innovation in itself. Time is also needed to test new season fixes, thoroughly test them.

I personally think people (the vast majority of which don't have any problems and would like the extra time to complete that season's collections or whatever) should have the option of abstaining or taking a break from the cards game themselves instead of having it forced to happen out of the blue. Also, I don't see how that would help season 3's progress, since I believe the admins are working on S3/worked on S2 while the previous season was still running with no problems. And realistically, if bugs were to be found, they'd probably be found much quicker if it was open to all players once the season was ready.
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Postby Benevolent 1 » Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:32 pm

Osheiga wrote:As someone who does the whole "bidding 0.01 to watch cards" thing, a dedicated watchlist would be super useful. Same with the filtering/sorting suggestion, not being able to specifically search for "S2 legendaries" was pretty annoying when I still had lots of cards to collect for my S2 leg collection. Thankfully other people had complete S2 leg collections that I could look through to find cards I needed, but this won't be an option for the first S3 collections or other, less commonly collected rarities.

Proper Trading sounds like a cool addition too. And although I personally probably wouldn't use it, the Gift Receiving Options thing wouldn't hurt the game or anything.

An option for completely unlimited deck cap would be nice but site limitations exist unfortunately. That said, I do think deck upgrades should be cheaper (maybe increasing linearly in cost instead of exponentially like they do now) so people can still complete very large collections within a deck cap reasonably and so there's more incentive to actually upgrade to the deck cap to be able to receive gifts and such.
Benevolent 1 wrote:Furthermore, NS should deal with the obsessive behaviors some players have exhibited for a very long period. So let's kill two birds with one stone. S2 comes to a close, it is declared over and done. A new policy of down time between seasons is then implemented, first to keep some players mentally well. Secondly, this interim also allows time for ideas and fixes to be fully developed. Therefore, shutting the game down for some indeterminate time (between all future seasons) in order to develop S3 and seasons beyond would truly be an innovation in itself. Time is also needed to test new season fixes, thoroughly test them.

I personally think people (the vast majority of which don't have any problems and would like the extra time to complete that season's collections or whatever) should have the option of abstaining or taking a break from the cards game themselves instead of having it forced to happen out of the blue. Also, I don't see how that would help season 3's progress, since I believe the admins are working on S3/worked on S2 while the previous season was still running with no problems. And realistically, if bugs were to be found, they'd probably be found much quicker if it was open to all players once the season was ready.


There was a big break in S1 which started about 3 weeks in and lasted nine months. However, it was still season 1 upon return. The fact is the majority of players have already left the game. Look at most cards and they are largely owned by inactives.

What's going on with admins is best heard from someone in the loop:

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Praeceps wrote: I'd be curious as to what the admins/mods see as the outstanding discussion points preventing this idea from being moved forward?

What discussion points?
  • Reducing card farms? We're for it.
  • Tying it to one or more of the mini-games? I'm not seeing anything resembling a consensus, or really a strong argument either way
  • Something else? Be specific.
The main thing preventing us from going forward is that we don't have any great ideas either. Come up with a great idea, and we won't "prevent it from going forward".


I've been pitching ideas in this forum for months. Some are winners some aren't. Personally, i think this is a decent idea. Fris is clearly petitioning us for more ideas. Ideas to fix the main problems, like with card farming. Card players need to get moving and come up with solutions and troubleshoot them with the admins and Fris. This all takes time and players using their own minds. But too many players can't be distracted from the damn game to try. Well then, let's give them some time to think and motivations. If they'll stop playing at nothing then give them nothing. Shutting the auction down and stopping the generation of card packs could be enough. Then maybe ideas get cooking inside some of these players heads. And maybe that's a healthy thing once in awhile. ;)
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Postby Flanderlion » Sat Aug 28, 2021 6:25 pm

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2.) Prevent bids/asks under junk value
Also hard pass. Even if I semi-routinely advise new traders against doing this, it's still their choice as to how they want to sell their cards.

Would you be alright with a warning or confirmation if they attempt to list under junk value? I still think it should be impossible, as the benefits of allowing our outweighed by new nations getting ripped off from it far more frequently.

Fine with 2, 3 and 4. I think 5 is not needed, but if it's added I wouldn't care. 1 - deck capacity needs rework, but unlimited isn't realistic. I'd be fine with long run the formula being rejigged but short term just allowing a repeatable purchase in the store (or with stamps, same thing) for 100 deck capacity (or 50 without supporter as it doubles it).
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Postby Fauzjhia » Sat Aug 28, 2021 6:29 pm

Flanderlion wrote:
One Small Island wrote:
2.) Prevent bids/asks under junk value
Also hard pass. Even if I semi-routinely advise new traders against doing this, it's still their choice as to how they want to sell their cards.

Would you be alright with a warning or confirmation if they attempt to list under junk value? I still think it should be impossible, as the benefits of allowing our outweighed by new nations getting ripped off from it far more frequently.

Fine with 2, 3 and 4. I think 5 is not needed, but if it's added I wouldn't care. 1 - deck capacity needs rework, but unlimited isn't realistic. I'd be fine with long run the formula being rejigged but short term just allowing a repeatable purchase in the store (or with stamps, same thing) for 100 deck capacity (or 50 without supporter as it doubles it).


you want to spend real money for deck capacity ? do we really need that ?

personally. I just to avoid the moment I'll have to choose between junking my old cards, and collecting my newest, because of deck capacity limitations.
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Postby Fauzjhia » Sat Aug 28, 2021 7:14 pm

Benevolent 1 wrote:Nothing much ever gets through to you. Not even when it comes directly from Fris. There's not gonna be any card moderator. If there was, you and others would probably try and buy them off with some dupe TCALS gifting.
Your puppets are full of bank bc 1) you're spending most of your day here, probably bc you're hopelessly hooked on the game (very sad) and 2) your puppets with your TCALS cohorts (found on discord) launder bank from TCALS back and forth. Y'all need to give it a rest asap. What difference does it actually make who EWI is to anyone other than you? This seems to be another one of your overdone obsessions.

Spelling out the obvious to you again... If technical can hinder card farmers operations (or end card farms completely) then card farmers will run up their decks way past capacity by using the auction for transfers into their main. That option needs to be cut off completely in advance.

Now, to sum it up for you, end the f#cking card farming, stop the self serving or cartel operated unauthorized TCALS duplicatiors, adjust the deck capacity situation in a number of ways including a hard cap and do not implement a card moderator. All of this and more could eventually make the game fun again.

Furthermore, NS should deal with the obsessive behaviors some players have exhibited for a very long period. So let's kill two birds with one stone. S2 comes to a close, it is declared over and done. A new policy of down time between seasons is then implemented, first to keep some players mentally well. Secondly, this interim also allows time for ideas and fixes to be fully developed. Therefore, shutting the game down for some indeterminate time (between all future seasons) in order to develop S3 and seasons beyond would truly be an innovation in itself. Time is also needed to test new season fixes, thoroughly test them. S3 in particular has great expectations and will needs to live up to them. I think it's well worth the investment in downtime which is needed. Perhaps think of the downtime as an off-season. Sports leagues have them. Let's have that too.
Remember, patience is a virtue. :)


What the hell are you even talking about, you know you really annoy me with your baseless accusations

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my puppets stacks Pack until they all go 8, and open every single in a single day : they CANNOT even trigger TACLS
the accumulate bank because I refuse to transfer between them and my main. you have no idea what you are talking about, I mainly have stats goal on these puppets right now, not cards.
I created those puppets for the sole reason to be able to collect their own cards. (for themselves. ) (I don't even engage in TACLS right now. ) I watch CFL games.

2
I was saying I don't see any way, you guys are going to reduce the number of puppets, because you hate puppets. but you have PLENTY of puppets. so keep that criticism for yourself, and reduce your own number of puppets man.
I don't see why someone who has plenty of puppets have the right to tell others to delete theirs.
I believe in keeping a reasonable number of puppets, as long as they treated like the main is treated. I dislike puppets who only exist in order to fuel bank to the main. this has always been a principle I follow in the game, and I keep following it.

3 I don't agree with you idea, of implanting a hard deck limit. that seem to me, like you envision a game where players have to between which cards they have to collects, many of which would be directly junked to make plenty for other cards of higher-value / rarity
you are so obsessed by deck capacity (abuse) that its not even funny.
go scream to Gio and Mikeswill man or to moderation, because I have never bypassed deck capacity, and its also why I keep bank on my puppets. I'll need it to pay for deck capacity increase.

4
I don't exactly much about how many puppets you have. i'm just pointing the fact, that you do not declare them, unlike mine who are all declared. and multiple others are all declared.

5
the break was necessary to pass from a one-time limited, into a NOW PERMANENT side-game. they had to CHANGE the game's parameters, which they did not really between s1 and s2.

6
Go to the discord and talk with these peoples about their pull events, especially improvised pull event, because I am not a TACLS and do not engage in such activity right now. My main activity right now are preparation for season 3, increasing my stats, making my beetles nations better by collection top 1% badges, especially pizza (this is a challenge that will take much time. ) and hoping all my nations will get 12 easter eggs.

7
and I was simply that unless you put a card moderator who would be able to enforce a limit on the numbers of puppets, we DO NOT any strong plan to reduce the numbers of puppets. I do not take position in favor of a card moderator and I know we are not going to have any. SO stop misunderstand my position and what I say
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Postby One Small Island » Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:06 am

Flanderlion wrote:
One Small Island wrote:
2.) Prevent bids/asks under junk value
Also hard pass. Even if I semi-routinely advise new traders against doing this, it's still their choice as to how they want to sell their cards.

Would you be alright with a warning or confirmation if they attempt to list under junk value? I still think it should be impossible, as the benefits of allowing our outweighed by new nations getting ripped off from it far more frequently.


I don't think it's necessary. If I absolutely - gun to my head - had to choose between an outright ban on it and a warning, I'd choose the warning, but luckily I've just checked and there's nobody standing behind me with a firearm of any sort. The junk value of a card is neither secret nor hidden, it's readily available to anyone who is playing the card game. If a new player lists a card for beneath junk value and gets ripped off that's on them, and I don't think protecting people from the consequences of their own bad decisions is something that the coding folk should invest a whole lot of time in, harsh as that may be or sound.

With that said, and while I certainly don't speak for admin, I've read enough of the technical forum to know that admin historically opposes "put a warning on it" as a viable solution to problems.

The junk value of a card could be made more visible though, perhaps by moving the cards stat block (the place where it lists owners, the number of cards, trades, collections, and etc) up from where it is on the bottom of the cards page to directly below the card, that way traders have to scroll by it before placing a bid or an ask. This would prevent the scenario where someone scrolls exactly as far down as is needed to sell their card (and no further) and missed the info, but I feel like that's probably a minority of cases anyway.
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Postby Benevolent 1 » Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:42 am

Fauzjhia wrote:
Benevolent 1 wrote:Nothing much ever gets through to you. Not even when it comes directly from Fris. There's not gonna be any card moderator. If there was, you and others would probably try and buy them off with some dupe TCALS gifting.
Your puppets are full of bank bc 1) you're spending most of your day here, probably bc you're hopelessly hooked on the game (very sad) and 2) your puppets with your TCALS cohorts (found on discord) launder bank from TCALS back and forth. Y'all need to give it a rest asap. What difference does it actually make who EWI is to anyone other than you? This seems to be another one of your overdone obsessions.

Spelling out the obvious to you again... If technical can hinder card farmers operations (or end card farms completely) then card farmers will run up their decks way past capacity by using the auction for transfers into their main. That option needs to be cut off completely in advance.

Now, to sum it up for you, end the f#cking card farming, stop the self serving or cartel operated unauthorized TCALS duplicatiors, adjust the deck capacity situation in a number of ways including a hard cap and do not implement a card moderator. All of this and more could eventually make the game fun again.

Furthermore, NS should deal with the obsessive behaviors some players have exhibited for a very long period. So let's kill two birds with one stone. S2 comes to a close, it is declared over and done. A new policy of down time between seasons is then implemented, first to keep some players mentally well. Secondly, this interim also allows time for ideas and fixes to be fully developed. Therefore, shutting the game down for some indeterminate time (between all future seasons) in order to develop S3 and seasons beyond would truly be an innovation in itself. Time is also needed to test new season fixes, thoroughly test them. S3 in particular has great expectations and will needs to live up to them. I think it's well worth the investment in downtime which is needed. Perhaps think of the downtime as an off-season. Sports leagues have them. Let's have that too.
Remember, patience is a virtue. :)


What the hell are you even talking about, you know you really annoy me with your baseless accusations

1
my puppets stacks Pack until they all go 8, and open every single in a single day : they CANNOT even trigger TACLS
the accumulate bank because I refuse to transfer between them and my main. you have no idea what you are talking about, I mainly have stats goal on these puppets right now, not cards.
I created those puppets for the sole reason to be able to collect their own cards. (for themselves. ) (I don't even engage in TACLS right now. ) I watch CFL games.

2
I was saying I don't see any way, you guys are going to reduce the number of puppets, because you hate puppets. but you have PLENTY of puppets. so keep that criticism for yourself, and reduce your own number of puppets man.
I don't see why someone who has plenty of puppets have the right to tell others to delete theirs.
I believe in keeping a reasonable number of puppets, as long as they treated like the main is treated. I dislike puppets who only exist in order to fuel bank to the main. this has always been a principle I follow in the game, and I keep following it.

3 I don't agree with you idea, of implanting a hard deck limit. that seem to me, like you envision a game where players have to between which cards they have to collects, many of which would be directly junked to make plenty for other cards of higher-value / rarity
you are so obsessed by deck capacity (abuse) that its not even funny.
go scream to Gio and Mikeswill man or to moderation, because I have never bypassed deck capacity, and its also why I keep bank on my puppets. I'll need it to pay for deck capacity increase.

4
I don't exactly much about how many puppets you have. i'm just pointing the fact, that you do not declare them, unlike mine who are all declared. and multiple others are all declared.

5
the break was necessary to pass from a one-time limited, into a NOW PERMANENT side-game. they had to CHANGE the game's parameters, which they did not really between s1 and s2.

6
Go to the discord and talk with these peoples about their pull events, especially improvised pull event, because I am not a TACLS and do not engage in such activity right now. My main activity right now are preparation for season 3, increasing my stats, making my beetles nations better by collection top 1% badges, especially pizza (this is a challenge that will take much time. ) and hoping all my nations will get 12 easter eggs.

7
and I was simply that unless you put a card moderator who would be able to enforce a limit on the numbers of puppets, we DO NOT any strong plan to reduce the numbers of puppets. I do not take position in favor of a card moderator and I know we are not going to have any. SO stop misunderstand my position and what I say


Fauz, you are a TCALS kingpin. You admit to it.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 ? All good children go to heaven. But not necessarily the dung Beatles. :lol:

You have made many baseless accusations directed at me echoing the discord crybabies. You wanna take shots? Well sir... as they say, what goes around comes around. Now, you better kiss the baby. 8)

Seems your English has vastly improved here, which prompts me to ask... Who is your ghost writer? :p

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Postby Fauzjhia » Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:49 am

Benevolent 1 wrote:
Fauz, you are a TCALS kingpin. You admit to it.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 ? All good children go to heaven. But not necessarily the dung Beatles. :lol:

You have made many baseless accusations directed at me echoing the discord crybabies. You wanna take shots? Well sir... as they say, what goes around comes around. Now, you better kiss the baby. 8)

Seems your English has vastly improved here, which prompts me to ask... Who is your ghost writer? :p



YEAH so much profiting from pull event, that I did not gain a single bank from them...I simply made the point that you have a very poor reputation around the card discord, and its not without reason, I can why you have that reputation.

I don't have ghost writer.
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Postby Benevolent 1 » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:24 am

Fauzjhia wrote:
Benevolent 1 wrote:
Fauz, you are a TCALS kingpin. You admit to it.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 ? All good children go to heaven. But not necessarily the dung Beatles. :lol:

You have made many baseless accusations directed at me echoing the discord crybabies. You wanna take shots? Well sir... as they say, what goes around comes around. Now, you better kiss the baby. 8)

Seems your English has vastly improved here, which prompts me to ask... Who is your ghost writer? :p



YEAH so much profiting from pull event, that I did not gain a single bank from them...I simply made the point that you have a very poor reputation around the card discord, and its not without reason, I can why you have that reputation.

I don't have ghost writer.


Never been there because Discord has a bad reputation. I can understand why.

So are you drunk and stuff when you make most of your posts? Most of them could be characterized as word salad or gibberish.
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Postby Fauzjhia » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:35 am

Benevolent 1 wrote:
Fauzjhia wrote:

YEAH so much profiting from pull event, that I did not gain a single bank from them...I simply made the point that you have a very poor reputation around the card discord, and its not without reason, I can why you have that reputation.

I don't have ghost writer.


Never been there because Discord has a bad reputation. I can understand why.

So are you drunk and stuff when you make most of your posts? Most of them could be characterized as word salad or gibberish.


this has nothing with nations cards.
so now, you are accusing me to be DRUNK ?...
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Postby Benevolent 1 » Sun Aug 29, 2021 9:03 am

Fauzjhia wrote:
Benevolent 1 wrote:
Never been there because Discord has a bad reputation. I can understand why.

So are you drunk and stuff when you make most of your posts? Most of them could be characterized as word salad or gibberish.


this has nothing with nations cards.
so now, you are accusing me to be DRUNK ?...


A question isn't an accusation. And your Discord has a very bad reputation.

I'm not getting lured into the likes of Discord for this shit or any other shit. Pedantic in it's nature, you wallow there, among it's racist memes and cyber bullying. Meanwhile, others pursue a decent life without contracting Discord-mania.

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