Divine Corinthusi Empire - History Thread (OOC | TWI Only)

[Athara Magarat]

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Hello everyone! You all know me, TWI's resident historical baddie

So I am working on my history dispatches such as this and this. The former is about the Imperial War (basically TWI's WW2 and it has its own thread here). The latter is about the Divine Corinthusi Empire (formerly known as the Khas-Kirat Empire but that name is now being used for my Imperial War period empire) and this topic is what our thread is here for.

The Divine Corinthusi Empire, named after the ancient Roendavarian Empire of Corinthus, claims to be direct successors to the that civilization while actual Roendavarians in Roendavar exist (think of it as those pesky Germans, once barbarian tribes who invaded Rome, calling themselves Romans). From 918 to 1918, the empire lasted exactly 1,000 years and left a mark in history of the Isles (I mean, I am technically involved in the history of most TWI nations).

Having talked to many fellow members of TWI, I think I really need to work on my history dispatch and make it as realistic as possible. As Dormill and Stiura said, the current history is confusing as my current history has the empire invading here and there randomly while ignoring neighboring nations. I want to change that. I have now outlined these ideas for the history of the Divine Corinthusi Empire -

• Early 900s (mostly 910s and 920s): Srijunga is exiled from the Eastern Kirati tribal confederation of Yakthung Thibon after a failed assassination attempt on its leader Nembang Hang, who his maternal uncle and father's murderer. He joins the court of the then Sinjali Khas ruler and helps the latter seize the three islands (Newa, Tapu and Sinja) from Doman merchants. Srijunga convinces the rulers of the Khas and various Western Kirati tribes to embark on a grand conquest of the homeland of these "wealthy Domans" and the captured Domans are forced to build ships for the invasion. The "Great Western Journey" of Western Kiratis tribes and the Khas people begins in early 914 but the enslaved Domans falsely lead their captors to Raedlon (most likely Solaryia). After months of pillaging across Raedlon, Srijunga and other Khas-Kirati leaders learn of the Doman treachery but also find out the actual location of Domanania after interrogation. In late 914, Domanania is finally invaded and the War of the Horses begins. In 918, a letter arrives to Srijunga from Vendriothos (called mainland Magarat by outsiders) that a great assembly of tribal elders had elected him as the Great Hang of all Khas-Kirati tribes after his successful conquest of Domanania. And thus, Srijunga becomes the First Mahang of the Divine Corinthusi Empire (which he named after the ancient Roendavarian Empire of Corinthus). His first order is for the Northern Kirati tribes to launch invade "north", Central Kirati clans to march "south" and Eastern Kiratis to march "east" (remember, many Western Kirati clans and Khas people are with him in Domanania). He also decides to lead the Northern Kiratis himself. However, Srijunga dies on the voyage home and his adopted Doman son Mabo becomes the Second Mahang. The Northern Kirati invasion of North Argus is cancelled with Srijunga's death but the Central Kirati clans and Eastern Kirati tribes have already left for their invasions. The Central Kirati clans invade the Chathaese Steppe of San Montagna and establish the Hangate of Chatha and settle down instead of marching further south. The Eastern Kirati fleet, intent on invading Gael, is sent off-course during a storm and they endlessly voyage southeast until they arrive in Keomora. These Eastern Kiratis would mix with the native Ipachis and result in the ethnogenesis of the Keomorans and the foundation of the Grand Hangate of New Kemor. During these invasions, horses are introduced to Domanania, Ioudaia, Keomora and most of Raedlon.
  
• 1000s - 1100s: To ensure that the Mahangs do not become powerful than them, the hangs and tribal elders make a law forbidding the Mahang from declaring wars. The Mahangs during this period mostly spend their time trying to intermediate in various tribal wars between their vassals.
  
• 1200s (most between 1220s and 1240s): "In my dream, I saw the First Mahang fire nearly a hundred arrows and each of these arrows landed in a different Varga of a different land". The "Khas-Kirati Invasions" period. While the Mahangs are still forbidden from declaring wars, they can now give blessings to ambitious tribal chieftains who want to expand their domains outwards. To prevent them from becoming too powerful, the Mahangs and their councils state that "one tribe can only establish one hangate in one new land". Invasions all over the Isles by by any ambitious tribal lord who who can gather a fleet and an army. The lost Keomorans are discovered and Grand Hangate of New Kemor officially becomes part of the Divine Corinthusi Empire. Again, horses and now gunpowder are introduced to many of these invaded regions.
  
• 1300s - 1500s: Hangates everywhere (at one point, just the mainland having over 200 hangates) engaging in almost never-ending conflicts with each other. Many of the nomadic Khas-Kirati tribes start to settle down (major exceptions being the Khumbuwani hangates and Sunuwar Hangate). Outer hangates, where the Hanglaw rules of gavelkind partition do not apply, take advantage of the ever diminishing power of the Mahangs to grow even more stronger and install puppet Mahangs and invade or raid inner hangates.
  
• 1600s: The failed Khas-Kirati Invasion of Aizcona (1619 - 1639) results in the outbreak of the Heavenly War (1649 - 1689) against Aklia's children. The ensuing Peace of Vendriothos forces all outer hangates to leave the Divine Corinthusi Empire (Khumbuwani hangates, Torom and Chatha were not considered "outer hangates" since they were directly connected to the Hanglaw by land).
  
• 1700s: The Divine Corinthusi Empire witnesses an era of peace but also stagnates. Several major invasions of Vendriothos (mainland Magarat) by Keomorans.
  
• 1818 - 1918: The Dark Century. Also known as the "Khas-Kirati Century of Humiliation". Constant Ipachi revolts and rebellions by Khas-Kirati revolutionaries. The Divine Corinthusi Empire loses every major war it fights. Segentova declares a series of wars to "liberate" Khumbuwani hangs and then to make Torom independent (Khumbuwani hangates, Torom and Chatha would not have been outer hangates since they were directly connected to the Hanglaw). San Montagna invades Chatha and Razzgriz invades and occupies Ipachi-majority areas in southeastern Vendriothos (essentially territories that in modern times form the Ipachi State). The final nail in the coffin comes in the form of the War of the Khas-Kirati Succession (which was a theater of the Great Gael War) which leads to the coronation of a Roendavarian prince as the last Mahang before he dissolves the Divine Corinthusi Empire and annexes it into Roendavar. The events of the Dark Century sow the seeds that allow fascists to gain power during the Imperial War period later on.

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Time period of interregnums for the Divine Corinthusi Empire. An interregnum occurs when the assembly of tribal elders, clan leaders and nobles are unable to come with majority vote for a candidate. Normally, the election process of a new Mahang took an entire year. If the election process took longer than a year that the interregnum was confirmed. Interregnums often had civil wars as various factions and sometimes even outside powers vied to install their own candidates as Mahangs.

Of these, the final two interregnums are extremely important. The 12th Interregnum (1649 - 1689) is exactly the time period for the Heavenly War. While the Final Interregnum (1912 - 1918) takes place during the War of the Khas-Kirati Succession (part of the Great Gael War).

1st Interregnum (1022 - 1072)

2nd Interregnum (1097 - 1102)

3rd Interregnum (1254 - 1273)

4th Interregnum (1286 - 1292)

5th Interregnum (1296 - 1306)

6th Interregnum (1332 - 1340)

7th Interregnum (1383 - 1385)

8th Interregnum (1403 - 1413)

9th Interregnum (1453 - 1456)

10th Interregnum (1481 - 1483)

11th Interregnum (1598 - 1613)

12th Interregnum (1649 - 1689)

Final Interregnum (1910 - 1918)

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Here is the Dark Century events in more details -

• 1818: The Keomorans launch a series of devastating coastal raids in early 1818. Unable to fight back against the Keomoran fleet that has already left, Khas-Kirati nobility and tribal chieftains blame the Ipachis (or specifically Ipachi naval officers). Almost all Ipachi officers in navies (where the officers and crew had always been mostly Ipachi or other non Khas-Kiratis) of various hangates are fired and replaced by Khas-Kirati ones. Large angry mobs lynch Ipachi scapegoats (particularly said naval officers). In retaliation, several Ipachi uprisings take place across Vendriothos (mainland Magarat). The Ipachi rebels are using Tásztlí (aka Razzgriz) firearms. While most of the armament are stolen from the old Koch armories, independent Tásztlí merchants begin to supply the rebels with more modern weapons.
  
• 1823 - 1825: From the very beginning, the Divine Corinthusi Empire blames the Tásztl as the masterminds behind the Ipachi rebellions. By 1823, the two are at a state of undeclared war as navies of various hangates forcefully board and inspect Tásztl merchant ships and often arrest the crew. In response to several such incidents, the Tásztl start deploying their naval vessels to escort their merchant ships. TBD naval battles most of which end in Tásztl victories
  
• 1826 - 18??: Outbreak of open war between the Divine Corinthusi Empire and the Tásztl. With the aid of San Montagna (plus TBD others?), the Tásztl invade Vendriothos.
  
• 1830s: (most likely due to Razzgriz and San Montagna plus others?) Asaurcmi gains its independence from the Divine Corinthusi Empire.
  
• 1850 - 19??: Domanania, overconfident about fighting against a weakened Divine Corinthusi Empire, launches their own multiple invasions of Vendriothos. However, each and every Doman invasion end up in massive failures. But still, the death tolls are high on both sides and Domanania itself descends into civil war due to these failed costly invasions.
  
• TBD:
  
• November 11, 1909: Accidental murder (or alleged assassination) of Tilija Hangma, the second last Mahang of the Divine Corinthusi Empire, when an unknown bullet struck her in the crossfire in Courlaroux during the 1909 Revolution in Dormill and Stiura.
  
• 1910 - 1918: The Final Interregnum of the Divine Corinthusi Empire. Outbreak of the War of the Khas-Kirati Succession (which is another front of the Great Gael War) in 191?. The war in Argus ends in 1918 with the coronation of Roendavarian prince TBD as Mahang. He dissolves the Divine Corinthusi Empire and makes its territories part of Roendavar.
  
  

[Athara Magarat]

As Atnaia once suggested and Ainslie now tells me, it is better to go backwards in history. So I will be starting with the Dark Century for now (while also focusing on Imperial War history but that's topic for other threads).

[Domanania]

Thinking about it, i think this would be a good idea, which would be a good reason why the country falls apart at one point. But also thinking about it, since things have changed since we originally worked out our history together, it might be a good idea to redefine our history. Im thinking of just having Domanania and the Tiwe Haganate be apart of the empire for longer. Mostly because it was such an important part of the mesder campaigns and trade with the island should have been more tightly controlled.

So im thinking that instead of breaking free in 1100, the haganate could have still done a lot of the internal stuff, just under the Haganate, making it unruly. It could then break away in the early 1600's, suffer the civil war (since no one agreed how to run the place after almost 700 years) and then the companies come in to try and establish control again in the 1700's, which they are kicked out by 1823 as normal.

And then for the dark century, between 1850-19?? Domanania could have launched those invasions, failed, which would also lead to the depression and civil war.

[Athara Magarat]

Thinking about it, i think this would be a good idea, which would be a good reason why the country falls apart at one point. But also thinking about it, since things have changed since we originally worked out our history together, it might be a good idea to redefine our history. Im thinking of just having Domanania and the Tiwe Haganate be apart of the empire for longer. Mostly because it was such an important part of the mesder campaigns and trade with the island should have been more tightly controlled.

So im thinking that instead of breaking free in 1100, the haganate could have still done a lot of the internal stuff, just under the Haganate, making it unruly. It could then break away in the early 1600's, suffer the civil war (since no one agreed how to run the place after almost 700 years) and then the companies come in to try and establish control again in the 1700's, which they are kicked out by 1823 as normal.

And then for the dark century, between 1850-19?? Domanania could have launched those invasions, failed, which would also lead to the depression and civil war.

Aye, Domanania would have been extremely important. Lines up with the above timeline as well.

[Asaurcmi]

This very promising, As since I'm still working on my nation's history (So taking the advice from Ainslie), I can set the basis of it.

Say after the Chah-Chajd Empire's dissolution in 1537, what remain were various city-states, warloads, and principalities compassing of modern day Asaurcmi. Taking advantage of its current state they invaded either between the late 1500s and early 1600s, with reasons being greater control of the strait and better access to the Southern Sea. Hundreds of year during the Dark Century, Asaurcmi gains its independence from the empire, breaking away in the 1830s

Would that work?

[Athara Magarat]

This very promising, As since I'm still working on my nation's history (So taking the advice from Ainslie), I can set the basis of it.

Say after the Chah-Chajd Empire's dissolution in 1537, what remain were various city-states, warloads, and principalities compassing of modern day Asaurcmi. Taking advantage of its current state they invaded either between the late 1500s and early 1600s, with reasons being greater control of the strait and better access to the Southern Sea. Hundreds of year during the Dark Century, Asaurcmi gains its independence from the empire, breaking away in the 1830s

Would that work?

That could work. In fact, it would work super well.

Not to mention, Chah-Chajd Empire was a major rival of the Divine Corinthusi Empire. Invasion of Asaurcmi could be right before or even be another theater of the Khas-Kirati Invasion of Aizcona (which also involves the Chah-Chajd Empire).

[Solaryia]

As Atnaia once suggested and Ainslie now tells me, it is better to go backwards in history. So I will be starting with the Dark Century for now (while also focusing on Imperial War history but that's topic for other threads).

Well working backwards from the Dark Century, the Solaryi Empire at the time would probably love to take a chunk out of the Empire in the 1800s, given that they’d most likely have to be subservient/agreeable at the least, as they were existing at the doorstep of the Hanglaw for the past millennium. Since the Black Isles haven’t been used in a while (to my knowledge at least), maybe there could be a conflict or something around the Brellian Hangate?

[Keomora]

Time to invade this chat.

[Athara Magarat]

Well working backwards from the Dark Century, the Solaryi Empire at the time would probably love to take a chunk out of the Empire in the 1800s, given that they’d most likely have to be subservient/agreeable at the least, as they were existing at the doorstep of the Hanglaw for the past millennium. Since the Black Isles haven’t been used in a while (to my knowledge at least), maybe there could be a conflict or something around the Brellian Hangate?

That could work in modern times, the Black Isles is supposed to be under Vancouvia. We did have to talk to him before we do anything and also mention this in the Bolded Territories thread since the Black Isles is a bolded NPC.

I am also thinking of having places like Tapu island be "Free Cities" controlled by everyone else but Khas-Kiratis themselves. The island city could have various districts under control of different foreign powers.

Yeah, there could be some conflicts involving Brellan Hangate but we can work out the other details later. I want to work on Imperial War and Dark Century first.

[Athara Magarat]

Time to invade this chat.

Feel free to stab us in the back in the Dark Century.

Etu tu, Keomora?

[Aruia]

i have a part in the 14th century where reigning Varitheni Princess Alexin renounces the marriage agreement with prince Namthung Hang of House Mgar, after that war break out between several forces in the region. Namthung Hangs forces invade through the Ba'rlson and begin a death march as revenge for breaking the marriage pact.

[The United Partitions]

The fact that the Chah-Chajd Empire and the Divine Corinthusi Empire used to be main rivals, and the descendent regimes that mirrored those empires in the form of Zasterist United Partitions and the Khas-Kirat Empire both crumbled in the same war, on the same side; It gives off big Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman Empire vibes, old rivals that both died on the same side of the same war.

[Southern Xenick]

Well this is pog. Looks like im back on the forums!

[Athara Magarat]

The fact that the Chah-Chajd Empire and the Divine Corinthusi Empire used to be main rivals, and the descendent regimes that mirrored those empires in the form of Zasterist United Partitions and the Khas-Kirat Empire both crumbled in the same war, on the same side; It gives off big Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman Empire vibes, old rivals that both died on the same side of the same war.

True, we are like Austro-Hungarian/Ottomans with that comparison

[San Montagna]

Happy to get involved in this, especially as a neighbor. And I can also use it to revamp some of the history shared between our countries, especially the Venetian colonial period, which I'm pretty sure has changed a good amount since that part of our history was worked out.

[Athara Magarat]

Happy to get involved in this, especially as a neighbor. And I can also use it to revamp some of the history shared between our countries, especially the Venetian colonial period, which I'm pretty sure has changed a good amount since that part of our history was worked out.

Welcome, friend

Indeed, we have lot to work on.

[Southern Xenick]

I think that, as Xenick was a glorified strip mining site for the empire, it would be more peaceful place, however murderous the Guns were in it. I was thinking for it’s resources to be attacked around the fall of the empire, by some anti-imperialist faction

[Athara Magarat]

I think that, as Xenick was a glorified strip mining site for the empire, it would be more peaceful place, however murderous the Guns were in it. I was thinking for it’s resources to be attacked around the fall of the empire, by some anti-imperialist faction

Aye, by our timeline, you would be from 1220s-1240s to 1689 (technically the war unofficially ends by 1688 but one more year is lost in peace negotiations). Alternatively, you could start even earlier if you want (after 920s though) as a hangate that splits off from Keomora's.

[The United Partitions]

Thinking about there having been multiple back and forth wars (both would win some and lose some) between the CCE (Chah-Chajd Empire) and the DCE (Divine Corinthusi Empire), and also maybe the CCE tried to instigate independence movements in the DCE's hangates (perhaps the outer hangates, who were growing powerful in the time period)? I assume that the DCE would have without a doubt navy superiority, but perhaps the CCE had land force superiority on Argus, and therefore were quite threatening in that regard. Also, since the CCE didn't exist very long compared to the DCE/KKE, I noticed your 1300's-1500's era seems to have been mostly defined by hangate infighting among other things, how big of a role would the CCE play in that time period for the DCE?

Also remind me of the difference between a Hangate and a Mahang, are the Mahangs like nobles, or the leaders? Or are they the state?

[Athara Magarat]

Thinking about there having been multiple back and forth wars (both would win some and lose some) between the CCE (Chah-Chajd Empire) and the DCE (Divine Corinthusi Empire), and also maybe the CCE tried to instigate independence movements in the DCE's hangates (perhaps the outer hangates, who were growing powerful in the time period)? I assume that the DCE would have without a doubt navy superiority, but perhaps the CCE had land force superiority on Argus, and therefore were quite threatening in that regard. Also, since the CCE didn't exist very long compared to the DCE/KKE, I noticed your 1300's-1500's era seems to have been mostly defined by hangate infighting among other things, how big of a role would the CCE play in that time period for the DCE?

Also remind me of the difference between a Hangate and a Mahang, are the Mahangs like nobles, or the leaders? Or are they the state?

Actually I was thinking of myself being a weak in terms of naval power as well (except for 910s-920s and 1220s-1240s when we assembled large fleets).

The 5th Interregnum (1296 - 1306), 6th Interregnum (1332 - 1340), 7th Interregnum (1383 - 1385), 8th Interregnum (1403 - 1413), 9th Interregnum (1453 - 1456), 10th Interregnum (1481 - 1483) and 11th Interregnum (1598 - 1613) take place during 1300s-1500s. You could take advantage of that yo pit one hangate against another.

Hangate = any political entity ruled by a hang; most hangates were specific to one Khas-Kirati or Argean Ipachi tribe

Hang (feminine is Hangma) = a ruler of a hangate elected by its tribal elders/nobles; while not hereditary, hangs often made sure that their children/relatives got elected as the next hang or hangma

Mahang = basically the Emperor of DCE and like hangs, they are also elected (however only from within the House of Mgar); very little actual power in reality

[Aruia]

i have a part in the 14th century where reigning Varitheni Princess Alexin renounces the marriage agreement with prince Namthung Hang of House Mgar, after that war break out between several forces in the region. Namthung Hangs forces invade through the Ba'rlson and begin a death march as revenge for breaking the marriage pact.

Athara you skipped over this. is this still relevant history?

[The United Partitions]

What would be good dates for wars between CCE and DCE to have taken place?

Here's a brief history of the CCE to help:

Prior to the 15th century, the territory of modern day UP was filled with various tribes, with two kingdoms surrounding Lake U'ngtaxuatl, known as the Kingdom of Chah, and the Kingdom of Chajd. From a personal union or something TBD, these kingdoms would unite into the Chah-Chajd Empire around the year 1400.

There existed a tradition that life didn't end in death, and that the territory conquered by the previous emperor would still belong to him. Fueled by this, the CCE started to expand it's borders quickly (as each new emperor desired land for themselves), conquering all the lands owned by modern day UP and Keverai by around 1440, and reaching its territorial height including The Tsunterlands and Asaurcmi in around 1460.

The CCE saw overall stability for the next 50 years, but in around 1510, there started a great famine partially caused by flooding, and by 1520 the Empire was incredibly instable due to a number of factors including piracy on the west coast, the arrival of Europeans, continued famine, mass sacrifice, etc. and would continue to crumble until its official dissolution in 1537.

Due to this, 1460-1510 would probably be the ideal time for wars, or at least wars that could've resulted in victories for the CCE. One of the biggest victories for the CCE could've taken place during the 10th Interregnum from 1481-1483. There can certainly have been wars after 1510, but they would most likely result in a resounding victory for the Divine Corinthusi Empire (I'm sure the DCE would've seen the weakness in the CCE as an opportunity, just like the CCE did during the 10th Interregnum.).

[Athara Magarat]

Athara you skipped over this. is this still relevant history?

We could still have that happen. I would prefer 1220s-1240s but I am okay with Namthung Hang leading a personal war in 14th Century. Sorry, I missed it.

[Athara Magarat]

What would be good dates for wars between CCE and DCE to have taken place?

Here's a brief history of the CCE to help:

Prior to the 15th century, the territory of modern day UP was filled with various tribes, with two kingdoms surrounding Lake U'ngtaxuatl, known as the Kingdom of Chah, and the Kingdom of Chajd. From a personal union or something TBD, these kingdoms would unite into the Chah-Chajd Empire around the year 1400.

There existed a tradition that life didn't end in death, and that the territory conquered by the previous emperor would still belong to him. Fueled by this, the CCE started to expand it's borders quickly (as each new emperor desired land for themselves), conquering all the lands owned by modern day UP and Keverai by around 1440, and reaching its territorial height including The Tsunterlands and Asaurcmi in around 1460.

The CCE saw overall stability for the next 50 years, but in around 1510, there started a great famine partially caused by flooding, and by 1520 the Empire was incredibly instable due to a number of factors including piracy on the west coast, the arrival of Europeans, continued famine, mass sacrifice, etc. and would continue to crumble until its official dissolution in 1537.

Due to this, 1460-1510 would probably be the ideal time for wars, or at least wars that could've resulted in victories for the CCE. One of the biggest victories for the CCE could've taken place during the 10th Interregnum from 1481-1483. There can certainly have been wars after 1510, but they would most likely result in a resounding victory for the Divine Corinthusi Empire (I'm sure the DCE would've seen the weakness in the CCE as an opportunity, just like the CCE did during the 10th Interregnum.).

I imagine not just one war but a series of wars that span several centuries.

The last war being in 1619 - 1639 KK Invasion of Aizcona...wait, is there any way your empire could have dissolved a century later in 1637?

[The United Partitions]

I imagine not just one war but a series of wars that span several centuries.

The last war being in 1619 - 1639 KK Invasion of Aizcona...wait, is there any way your empire could have dissolved a century later in 1637?

Hmm I'm not sure, it depends on if it interferes with the histories of the nations that were part of the empire, like Tsunterlands, Keverai, and Asaurcmi.