by Marshal Pilsudski » Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:53 am
by Galiantus III » Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:54 am
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by Merni » Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:04 pm
Sedgistan wrote:When a recruitment telegram is sent, it goes into one of three queues: the Stamp queue, the API queue and the Manual queue. Delivery is rotated between these queues to give each an equal chance. Your anecdotal evidence is just that.
Because almost no-one send manual recruitment TGs (less than a hundred sent in the last week), they are much more likely to be amongst the first-received telegrams compared to Stamps/API-sent recruitment telegrams, because there likely isn't anyone ahead of you in that queue.
by The Nation of the People of the Nation » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:57 am
by Marshal Pilsudski » Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:38 am
by Marshal Pilsudski » Fri Aug 06, 2021 8:31 am
by Marshal Pilsudski » Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:00 pm
by Sedgistan » Wed Dec 29, 2021 6:14 am
Sedgistan wrote:When a recruitment telegram is sent, it goes into one of three queues: the Stamp queue, the API queue and the Manual queue. Delivery is rotated between these queues to give each an equal chance.
by Marshal Pilsudski » Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:14 am
Sedgistan wrote:There's nothing to look into or report that is different to what was explained in the thread linked by The Nation of the People of the Nation. The only clarification that needs to be made regarding the post of mine quoted further up is that the "Because almost no-one send manual recruitment TGs" paragraph should be disregarded because it was based on erroneously displayed stats.
So:Sedgistan wrote:When a recruitment telegram is sent, it goes into one of three queues: the Stamp queue, the API queue and the Manual queue. Delivery is rotated between these queues to give each an equal chance.
Any delay to a telegram being received is based on the number of telegrams in the relevant queue ahead of it.
by Bernie » Fri Dec 31, 2021 2:03 pm
Sedgistan wrote:So:Sedgistan wrote:When a recruitment telegram is sent, it goes into one of three queues: the Stamp queue, the API queue and the Manual queue. Delivery is rotated between these queues to give each an equal chance.
Any delay to a telegram being received is based on the number of telegrams in the relevant queue ahead of it.
by Bernie » Fri Dec 31, 2021 3:07 pm
Sedgistan wrote:I've asked an admin to clarify. It'd help (my end, at least) if you could let me know which puppet that was.
by Bernie » Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:07 am
- tag: New<Number> will queue a Telegram for attempted delivery to the next <Number> newly created nations. Be aware, however, that new nations are telegrammed very quickly by very many region recruiters. In order to reduce spam, the system throttles recruitment messages so that nations only receive a few at a time; additionally, new nations have a limited amount of space in their Inbox. This means that many recruitment telegrams wired to new nations will arrive late or not at all—and consume Telegram Stamps even so. There is no special priority for recruitment Telegrams based on how quickly or by which method they are sent: All recruitment Telegrams enter the same queue and exit it in random order.
by Eluvatar » Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:00 am
Marshal Pilsudski wrote:If the stats are erroneously displayed is the tgqueue shard of the API accurate for trying to guess how quickly a TG will be delivered?
Bernie wrote:It doesn't literally rotate though right? It is just each has a 1/3 chance of being chosen?
by Old Hope » Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:03 am
Eluvatar wrote:Marshal Pilsudski wrote:If the stats are erroneously displayed is the tgqueue shard of the API accurate for trying to guess how quickly a TG will be delivered?
Yes, that display splits queued messages by queue in exactly the same way that the delivery logic does.Bernie wrote:It doesn't literally rotate though right? It is just each has a 1/3 chance of being chosen?
We regularly deliver telegrams. When we do so, we deliver all non-recruitment telegrams (except for feeder welcome TGs which still need to be delayed), then we pick a queue randomly. The chance of a particular queue being picked is, as you say, 1/3.
Within each queue, we go through the queued telegrams in random order, and either:
1. Leave them in the queue because the addressee is a new nation and already has a recent recruitment TG
2. Throw them away because the addressee is blocking recruitment TGs or blocking this recruiter or has already received a recruitment TG from the recruiter's region or is in a class region
3. Deliver them
I think it's the first of the above which is making things unpredictable. We don't pick a nation to deliver recruitment TGs to and then randomly pick which one to deliver, we pick a random recruitment TG and try to deliver it, subject to the above constraints. I would like to collect some more detailed internal statistics about how this works, but right now there's not really much more I could say.
Within each queue, we go through the queued telegrams in random order, and either:
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by Eluvatar » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:32 pm
by The North Polish Union » Tue Jan 04, 2022 11:57 am
Eluvatar wrote:The random ordering is intended to avoid giving a large advantage to the first recruiter. Obviously, recruiting early still has some advantage over recruiting late, because you have more chances for your telegram to get through to their inbox, but the intent is to limit that advantage.
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by Imperium Anglorum » Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:37 am
The North Polish Union wrote:Eluvatar wrote:The random ordering is intended to avoid giving a large advantage to the first recruiter. Obviously, recruiting early still has some advantage over recruiting late, because you have more chances for your telegram to get through to their inbox, but the intent is to limit that advantage.
Why was the decision to set things up this way? At this point I'm just asking the question because it seems that its not the way I would have thought to set things up.
My thought would be that manual recruiters are putting the most effort into recruitment and it would make the most sense to reward that in that the first to send a manual TG to a nation gets priority in the manual queue. This would give regions that manually recruit consistently over a long period of time arguably better return on investment than the current system where TGs are picked randomly from the queue.
It seems like the current state of affairs disincentivizes manual recruiting. Manual recruiters don't get to recruit every new nation since they're not online 24/7, must expend the most time recruiting the nations they do recruit, and then thanks to what appears to be a rather convoluted and opaque algorithm may see their TGs wait hours to be delivered. Obviously from a site financial perspective there's little reason to incentivize manual recruitment over stamps but the status quo seems excessive.
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