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Is it no longer possible to collaborate with political opponents at this stage?

It is no longer possible.
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It is possible.
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Collaboration is possible if we have similar economic views.
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7%
Collaboration is possible if we have similar cultural/social views.
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16%
Why would I collaborate with anyone? Going monke is the best way forward.
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Sundiata
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Postby Sundiata » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:28 pm

Heloin wrote:
Sundiata wrote:But in some ways, neither were as good as the Middle Ages.

I can't imagine any way the 10th century can really compare to indoor plumbing.
We do live in convenient times.
Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:
Sundiata wrote:But in some ways, neither were as good as the Middle Ages.

If you had a chance to go live the rest of your life in the Papal States in say, the 13th century (under one of the somewhat less money & sex inclined medieval popes), would you do it?

For the rest of my life, no. But it would be nice to experience parts of the Crusades and Reconquista. The music too.
San Lumen wrote:
Sundiata wrote:But in some ways, neither were as good as the Middle Ages.

what makes that such a great era?

The values of chivalry and courtly love in the upper classes.
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Valrifall
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Postby Valrifall » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:31 pm



The deal was the compromise bill and the $3.5 trillion package, if they don't have the votes for one they don't have the votes for either - even Pelosi has said this last I checked.

If her and Manchin are serious about opposing this then they've set back infrastructure negotiations back to square one and increase the possibility of fucking everyone out of getting anything done, and for what? Some vague posturing towards "spending bad" and "Republicans are our friends, actually"?

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:33 pm

Picairn wrote:
Kowani wrote:...i just now realized I marked Sinema as a republican in this post
ooops

At this point she's very much a Republican-lite.

i mean yes but still

Eahland wrote:
Kowani wrote:...i just now realized I marked Sinema as a republican in this post
ooops

I thought that was deliberate.

deliberately mislabeling congresspeople is fox news behaviour and i have some standards

Sundiata wrote:
San Lumen wrote:what makes that such a great era?

The values of chivalry and courtly love in the upper classes.

consider maybe that romanticized stories written by the upper classes might paint a slightly twisted picture
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:34 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Heloin wrote:I can't imagine any way the 10th century can really compare to indoor plumbing.
We do live in convenient times.
Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:If you had a chance to go live the rest of your life in the Papal States in say, the 13th century (under one of the somewhat less money & sex inclined medieval popes), would you do it?

For the rest of my life, no. But it would be nice to experience parts of the Crusades and Reconquista. The music too.
San Lumen wrote:what makes that such a great era?

The values of chivalry and courtly love in the upper classes.

sanitation was also terrible. Women and non whites had almost no rights, and if you weren't royalty you had little money but yeah a truly great era.

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Postby Sundiata » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:37 pm

Valrifall wrote:If her and Manchin are serious about opposing this then they've set back infrastructure negotiations back to square one and increase the possibility of fucking everyone out of getting anything done, and for what?
Joe Manchin owns individual stock in the coal industry and has made over $400 million since joining congress. He doesn't want to hurt his profit.

Some vague posturing towards "spending bad" and "Republicans are our friends, actually"?
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Heloin
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Postby Heloin » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:37 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Heloin wrote:I can't imagine any way the 10th century can really compare to indoor plumbing.
We do live in convenient times.

Childhood mortality is the lowest it has ever been.

Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:If you had a chance to go live the rest of your life in the Papal States in say, the 13th century (under one of the somewhat less money & sex inclined medieval popes), would you do it?

For the rest of my life, no. But it would be nice to experience parts of the Crusades and Reconquista. The music too.
San Lumen wrote:what makes that such a great era?

The values of chivalry and courtly love in the upper classes.

I'm unsure you if you want to actually go to the real medieval period, or want to go to Medieval Times.
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Postby Bahia Roja » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:41 pm

Heloin wrote:Childhood mortality is the lowest it has ever been.


I mean that's cool and all, but I just want to go back to when we solved issues with duels.
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Postby Necroghastia » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:42 pm

Bahia Roja wrote:
Heloin wrote:Childhood mortality is the lowest it has ever been.


I mean that's cool and all, but I just want to go back to when we solved issues with duels.

pistol/sword duels = cringe
yugioh duels = based
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Postby Bahia Roja » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:44 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Bahia Roja wrote:
I mean that's cool and all, but I just want to go back to when we solved issues with duels.

pistol/sword duels = cringe
yugioh duels = based


Fuck Yu-Gi-Oh, I'm talking Bakugan duels
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Great Algerstonia
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:46 pm


Good, 3.5 trillion dollars is way too much money for the government to be spending
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Postby Heloin » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:50 pm

Bahia Roja wrote:
Heloin wrote:Childhood mortality is the lowest it has ever been.


I mean that's cool and all, but I just want to go back to when we solved issues with duels.

1800s United States?
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:50 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:

Good, 3.5 trillion dollars is way too much money for the government to be spending

economic illiteracy go
okay, then what programs would you cut
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Postby Bahia Roja » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:50 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:

Good, 3.5 trillion dollars is way too much money for the government to be spending


*stares at the 1.25 trillion spent on National Security*

Yup... way too much money...
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:50 pm

The increasing polarization and disinformation around the Covid-19 vaccine has led to some people attempting to “disguise their appearance” and get vaccinated in secret, according to a Missouri doctor.

Dr Priscilla Frase, a hospitalist and chief medical information officer at Ozarks Healthcare in West Plains, said physicians had experienced a number of people who have asked to covertly receive the vaccine to avoid conflict with vaccine skeptical family, friends and co-workers.

In a video produced by Ozarks Healthcare, Frase said one pharmacist reported that several people: “Even went so far as to say: ‘Please, please, please don’t let anybody know that I got this vaccine.’”

The desire for privacy comes from a fear about how people will respond, Frase said. People who have changed their minds and decided to get the vaccine may have “had some experience that’s sort of changed their mind from the viewpoint of those in their family, those in their friendship circles or their work circles”, she said.

“They did their own research on it, and they talked to people and made the decisions themselves,” Frase added.

“But even though they were able to make that decision themselves, they didn’t want to have to deal with the peer pressure or the outbursts from other people about them, quote: ‘Giving in to everything.’”


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Postby Kanadorika » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:51 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:

Good, 3.5 trillion dollars is way too much money for the government to be spending

The government isn't some business whose sole purpose is creating profit.
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Postby Sundiata » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:51 pm

Heloin wrote:
Sundiata wrote:We do live in convenient times.

Childhood mortality is the lowest it has ever been.

For the rest of my life, no. But it would be nice to experience parts of the Crusades and Reconquista. The music too.

The values of chivalry and courtly love in the upper classes.

I'm unsure you if you want to actually go to the real medieval period, or want to go to Medieval Times.

I don't have to attend Medieval Times to experience courtly love. In fact, I once have in the United States.
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Postby Bahia Roja » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:52 pm

Heloin wrote:
Bahia Roja wrote:
I mean that's cool and all, but I just want to go back to when we solved issues with duels.

1800s United States?


Well, no. Cut slavery, sexism, poor sanitation and medicine, poor quality of living, industralization and the civil wars. Keep duels.
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:53 pm

Bahia Roja wrote:
Great Algerstonia wrote:Good, 3.5 trillion dollars is way too much money for the government to be spending


*stares at the 1.25 trillion spent on National Security*

Yup... way too much money...

Yes, 3.5 is nearly triple 1.25. What is your point here? And I also think there's too much money being spent there and that some of it should be privatized
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Postby Heloin » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:53 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Heloin wrote:Childhood mortality is the lowest it has ever been.


I'm unsure you if you want to actually go to the real medieval period, or want to go to Medieval Times.

I don't have to attend Medieval Times to experience courtly love. In fact, I once have in the United States.

You kind of do since it didn't really exist historically.
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:54 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:
Bahia Roja wrote:
*stares at the 1.25 trillion spent on National Security*

Yup... way too much money...

Yes, 3.5 is nearly triple 1.25. What is your point here? And I also think there's too much money being spent there and that some of it should be privatized


It's not like it's just spent for no return, investing in infrastructure creates jobs, supports businesses, makes things more efficient which further helps the economy..
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Postby Bahia Roja » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:56 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:
Bahia Roja wrote:
*stares at the 1.25 trillion spent on National Security*

Yup... way too much money...

Yes, 3.5 is nearly triple 1.25. What is your point here?


The US is already spending too much money. Why not spend it in things that will actually contribute to improve society and boost the economy?
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Postby Omniabstracta » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:59 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:
Bahia Roja wrote:
*stares at the 1.25 trillion spent on National Security*

Yup... way too much money...

Yes, 3.5 is nearly triple 1.25. What is your point here? And I also think there's too much money being spent there and that some of it should be privatized

You do realize it’s 3.5 trillion spent over the course of a decade, whereas that trillion and a quarter is spent every single year, right?
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Postby Resilient Acceleration » Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:03 pm

Bahia Roja wrote:
Great Algerstonia wrote:Good, 3.5 trillion dollars is way too much money for the government to be spending


*stares at the 1.25 trillion spent on National Security*

Yup... way too much money...

And it is set to increase due to the often forgotten but is definitely a serious national security threat: climate change damaging or destroying US military assets.

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Postby Sundiata » Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:03 pm

Heloin wrote:
Sundiata wrote:I don't have to attend Medieval Times to experience courtly love. In fact, I once have in the United States.

You kind of do since it didn't really exist historically.

Not as dramatically as it did in literature, no. But Dante expressed it best. In the United States it's easier to realize for most people as certain barriers are gone.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:25 pm

Bahia Roja wrote:
Heloin wrote:1800s United States?


Well, no. Cut slavery, sexism, poor sanitation and medicine, poor quality of living, industralization and the civil wars. Keep duels.

The last guy I met who was all gung ho for duels lost three straight to me in a sword fight with practice swords.

I have virtually no training in sword fighting.

I don’t think people yearning for duels have really thought their shit through. Or, you know, like…looked a community calendar or something to find a place you can sword fight and not die, or run around with pretendy guns and play soldier person and not die.

I’ll never understand people thinking it’d be cool to kill a person they’re beefing with.
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