Ace Combat: Ashes of War (OOC/Closed)

[Laka Strolistandiler]

I mean we have things like F-104S ASA here which is basically what I wanted to turn my MiG-17 into eventually. An old, Tier-I fighter turned into an extremely bad tier III fighter.

Why? Just get a decent T3, it's probably less expensive.

Because I’ve said before that I personally for some reason love the idea of a highly maneuverable but rather slow-ish fighter. Moreover than that, MiG-17 is one of my favorite jets of all time, and finally I have a lot of documents about it.

[Anowa]

Why? Just get a decent T3, it's probably less expensive.

Because I’ve said before that I personally for some reason love the idea of a highly maneuverable but rather slow-ish fighter. Moreover than that, MiG-17 is one of my favorite jets of all time, and finally I have a lot of documents about it.

Speaking of, are there any secondary sources indicating the MiG-17 can pull 12 Gs without tearing it's wings off? Or just that one you found?

[Kyraina]

Also here's this on putting modern equipment on old ass aircraft. It's just not viable for the RP

I mean we have things like F-104S ASA here which is basically what I wanted to turn my MiG-17 into eventually. An old, Tier-I fighter turned into an extremely bad tier III fighter.

It requires a complete redesign of not only the cockpit, but the engine and the air frame itself. Which isn't feasible in this situation, they'd devote all resources to building new air craft not putting equipment meant for F-22s in old aircraft. When you put modern equipment in a old as frame you have to look at how many times the B-52 and C-130 have been redesigned

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Because I’ve said before that I personally for some reason love the idea of a highly maneuverable but rather slow-ish fighter. Moreover than that, MiG-17 is one of my favorite jets of all time, and finally I have a lot of documents about it.

Speaking of, are there any secondary sources indicating the MiG-17 can pull 12 Gs without tearing it's wings off? Or just that one you found?

What exactly do you mean by “secondary sources”? The document that I’ve listed is an exploitation and combat usage manual and I personally doubt that they’ll put faux information there. However, if you wish I could circle through other documents that I have.
EDIT: Upon circling through another flight manual I was able to find the same table as in the aforementioned document. There are, however, upsides and downsides. An upside is that it’s in text only meaning you’ll be able too goggle translate it and see for yourself. A downside being that, well it’s an HTML document and you can probably not believe me because I could fauxly type in the necessary numbers…
Here is The document
And here is a screenshot from it with the table that I’ve mentioned

[Herador]

Why? Just get a decent T3, it's probably less expensive.

Because I’ve said before that I personally for some reason love the idea of a highly maneuverable but rather slow-ish fighter. Moreover than that, MiG-17 is one of my favorite jets of all time, and finally I have a lot of documents about it.

I get that, but by your own admission the plane wouldn't even be good in the middle tier. At this point you're just heavily handicapping both yourself and the players who rely on you. I can't force you to change your mind and I'm not interested in trying, but your game plan just makes no sense.

[Anowa]

Speaking of, are there any secondary sources indicating the MiG-17 can pull 12 Gs without tearing it's wings off? Or just that one you found?

What exactly do you mean by “secondary sources”? The document that I’ve listed is an exploitation and combat usage manual and I personally doubt that they’ll put faux information there. However, if you wish I could circle through other documents that I have.

I mean "do you have more than one source for information so we can actually tell it's verified, or is it just the one tidbit in a manual for the aircraft that may or may not be valid?"

Furthermore, it's a 65 year old airframe, it's not pulling 12 Gs without tearing in half regardless.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

I get that, but by your own admission the plane wouldn't even be good in the middle tier. At this point you're just heavily handicapping both yourself and the players who rely on you. I can't force you to change your mind and I'm not interested in trying, but your game plan just makes no sense.

Upon mentioning the played that rely on me… Perhaps you’re right. I will use the MiG-17 until I’ll be able to afford a reasonable (something like a MiG-23) fighter jet. I can tolerate forcing myself into hard situations but letting down people that rely on me is a thing I severely dislike.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

I mean "do you have more than one source for information so we can actually tell it's verified, or is it just the one tidbit in a manual for the aircraft that may or may not be valid?"

Furthermore, it's a 65 year old airframe, it's not pulling 12 Gs without tearing in half regardless.

I’ve mentioned in the description that it was refitted and restored before being sent off to the front. If that’s still a problem I can rework my post if that’s allowed. If not, than we’ll time to test that ejection seat.

[Kyraina]

I mean "do you have more than one source for information so we can actually tell it's verified, or is it just the one tidbit in a manual for the aircraft that may or may not be valid?"

Furthermore, it's a 65 year old airframe, it's not pulling 12 Gs without tearing in half regardless.

I’ve mentioned in the description that it was refitted and restored before being sent off to the front. If that’s still a problem I can rework my post if that’s allowed. If not, than we’ll time to test that ejection seat.

Yeah even it's restored and refitted that doesn't fix unseen metal fatigue

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Yeah even it's restored and refitted that doesn't fix unseen metal fatigue

But it does replace the most critical parts of the plane’s structure with new or surplus ones. I suppose that an aircraft rebuilt this way can at very least not fall apart after 12G’s. Sure, it’ll be in need of massive repairs, but at very least it’ll be able to fly.

[Anowa]

If not, than we’ll time to test that ejection seat.

What a coincidence.

A two Tier Disparity, no matter how good you think your plane is, is something you should attempt to avoid. Especially when you're making it hard for someone who already called the plane you're now controlling to post.

Tier I is basically only there so people aren't screwed out of flying if they get shot down with little money. They aren't there to make a meme plane that can take down Tier IVs, no matter how much you upgrade them.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

If not, than we’ll time to test that ejection seat.

What a coincidence.

A two Tier Disparity, no matter how good you think your plane is, is something you should attempt to avoid. Especially when you're making it hard for someone who already called the plane you're now controlling to post.

Tier I is basically only there so people aren't screwed out of flying if they get shot down with little money.

Makes sense. Anyways I suppose ejection seats can be role played into being 100% efficient here? I mean I don’t have to roleplay shit like main and reserve chutes not opening and other extreme situations?

[Anowa]

What a coincidence.

A two Tier Disparity, no matter how good you think your plane is, is something you should attempt to avoid. Especially when you're making it hard for someone who already called the plane you're now controlling to post.

Tier I is basically only there so people aren't screwed out of flying if they get shot down with little money.

Makes sense. Anyways I suppose ejection seats can be role played into being 100% efficient here? I mean I don’t have to roleplay shit like main and reserve chutes not opening and other extreme situations?

For the purposes of making sure a character doesn't die, yes. A player character's ejection seat will always function.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Makes sense. Anyways I suppose ejection seats can be role played into being 100% efficient here? I mean I don’t have to roleplay shit like main and reserve chutes not opening and other extreme situations?

For the purposes of making sure a character doesn't die, yes. A player character's ejection seat will always function.

All right then what will be my payout for the mission? I need this to correctly write my next character, because I’m planning on giving both of them similar planes and I need to know how much money Red is going to have after the fight. Perhaps, I may ask for your professional advice in the matter? I’m relatively experienced in air combat and aircraft engineering (ignoring my constant yet hard to explain urge to make meme planes).

[Anowa]

For the purposes of making sure a character doesn't die, yes. A player character's ejection seat will always function.

All right then what will be my payout for the mission? I need this to correctly write my next character, because I’m planning on giving both of them similar planes and I need to know how much money Red is going to have after the fight. Perhaps, I may ask for your professional advice in the matter?

1x F2 = Ƶ2,000
2x SPC = Ƶ1,500

Mission Salary = Ƶ1,000

Ƶ4,500 + 32,000 = 36,500

[Laka Strolistandiler]

1x F2 = Ƶ2,000
2x SPC = Ƶ1,500

Mission Salary = Ƶ1,000

Ƶ4,500 + 32,000 = 36,500

May I ask you than what aircraft should I choose that’ll be within the 43K limit and relatively effective when used in pairs?

[Anowa]

1x F2 = Ƶ2,000
2x SPC = Ƶ1,500

Mission Salary = Ƶ1,000

Ƶ4,500 + 32,000 = 36,500

May I ask you than what aircraft should I choose that’ll be within the 43K limit and relatively effective when used in pairs?

... 43k?

Regardless, don't pick a Tier I.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

May I ask you than what aircraft should I choose that’ll be within the 43K limit and relatively effective when used in pairs?

... 43k?

Counting in my second character with her 50K. I was planning on them sharing the money, since as you’ve said it’ll be allowed. Of course she will be an actual character not just a bunch of 1-liners simply to fill some space.

[Anowa]

... 43k?

Counting in my second character with her 50K. I was planning on them sharing the money, since as you’ve said it’ll be allowed. Of course she will be an actual character not just a bunch of 1-liners simply to fill some space.

Alright.

But yeah, don't pick a Tier I if you can afford better.

My professional opinion if you want to stick to the old Soviet aircraft theme, the MiG-19PT. At least then you can have modern IR missiles instead of relying on beam riders.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Counting in my second character with her 50K. I was planning on them sharing the money, since as you’ve said it’ll be allowed. Of course she will be an actual character not just a bunch of 1-liners simply to fill some space.

Alright.

But yeah, don't pick a Tier I if you can afford better.

My professional opinion if you want to stick to the old Soviet aircraft theme, the MiG-19PT. At least then you can have modern IR missiles instead of relying on beam riders.

I won’t, I’ve learnt my lesson- no meme planes
I suppose it could stand a chance against an F-16 when used in pair, right?
And what about planes from the western powers? Might, say, a G-91YS or an F-5E (I suppose a loan of couple thousands of dollars is something I can be given by other pilots) be a good choice for the matter? After all F-5E is far more technologically advanced than MiG-19.

[Kyraina]

Alright.

But yeah, don't pick a Tier I if you can afford better.

My professional opinion if you want to stick to the old Soviet aircraft theme, the MiG-19PT. At least then you can have modern IR missiles instead of relying on beam riders.

I won’t, I’ve learnt my lesson- no meme planes
I suppose it could stand a chance against an F-16 when used in pair, right?
And what about planes from the western powers? Might, say, a G-91YS or an F-5E (I suppose a loan of couple thousands of dollars is something I can be given by other pilots) be a good choice for the matter? After all F-5E is far more technologically advanced than MiG-19.

The F-5E has a decent cannons, uses AIM-9s and AIM-120s and can manuevr with the MiG-19 and MiG-21

[Anowa]

Alright.

But yeah, don't pick a Tier I if you can afford better.

My professional opinion if you want to stick to the old Soviet aircraft theme, the MiG-19PT. At least then you can have modern IR missiles instead of relying on beam riders.

I won’t, I’ve learnt my lesson- no meme planes
I suppose it could stand a chance against an F-16 when used in pair, right?
And what about planes from the western powers? Might, say, a G-91YS or an F-5E (I suppose a loan of couple thousands of dollars is something I can be given by other pilots) be a good choice for the matter? After all F-5E is far more technologically advanced than MiG-19.

G-91YS is essentially a lesser version of the F-5E. So the F-5E is probably your go to here.

I would also strongly advise not to rely on loans or handouts. Plan for what you know you can do instead of what may or may not happen.

But yes, there is a much higher chance of a MiG-19PT taking on an F-16 properly.

[Anowa]

Name: Martin Greene
Nationality: Emmerian
Age (21 at youngest): 26
Gender: male

Rank (O-1, O-2 or O-3): O-1
Callsign: Wiseass

Appearance: Wiseass is a relatively average looking man, standing at a somewhat lackluster 5'5, and weighing a little over 170 pounds, he is not an intimidating man. Combed back blonde hair adorns a pale face littered with permanent stubble shadow, an aquiline nose, and blue eyes. He's notable among pilots for sporting a mustache that only barely makes it through regulation, but has yet to get him in to any actual trouble. Almost always seen grinning, and typically has a mischievous look in his eye.
Height: 165cm (5'5ft)
Weight: 77kg (170 lbs)

Aircraft: McDonnell Douglas F-15A Eagle
Aircraft Appearance: Inverted Tiger Stripe
Emblem: An upside down beige colored heart wearing round glasses.
Funds 0

Personality: Wiseass exudes an aura of bullshit mixed with actual knowledge. In most cases he speaks that isn't immediately pertinent to a combat situation, it's either a long winded set up for a joke, or some inane tidbit of information that is barely relevant to ongoing events that takes much to long to tell. During peacetime he was the primary culprit for a number of pranks up to and including swapping all the coffee in Ferrabia Air Base with decaf, filling the base commander's G-Suit with shaving cream, and painting a rainbow midway across the runway. These however all stopped when the war started, so he at least knows what the limits are. All that in mind, the man has been in every major battle of the war so far in an F-104 and has racked up close to 15 kills already against fighters a good percentage more maneuverable, and faster, so he either knows exactly what he's doing, or is inhumanly lucky.
Strengths: The nature of his plane has forced him to think exceedingly far ahead in combat engagements to avoid being outturned or outsped; an encyclopedic knowledge of aircraft.
Weaknesses: A personality that is easy to dislike regardless of his actions; very much a lone wolf.
Likes: beer and flying, likely in combination; messing with people; I N T E L
Dislikes: gambling, King's Bridge, VTOL jets

Bio: Born on April 17th 1989 as the youngest of 4 children, Wiseass always had an odd sense of humor, and an extravagant fascination with aircraft. His youth was spent split between being outcasted by his peers for being an annoying twerp, and spent in the library reading any number of books about aviation. graduating at the top of his class, even if disliked by students and staff alike, he pursued a short career in comedy that ended poorly, and then radio for a time.

Ever a loner, it surprised his parents when he eventually decided to enlist with the hopes of gaining some measure of camaraderie with someone other than his immediate family. His basic training and OCS was spent generally being seen as an annoyance, but his desire to seek some form of friendship evolved into a desire to prove himself a capable pilot. A feat which he achieved. Unfortunately the academy commandant had strings pulled and had Wiseass thoroughly stuffed in to a position that no one wanted. Piloting the decrepit F-104s in an auxiliary squadron in Emmeria's frigid north. Conditions for flying were rarely optimal, the F-104s were a hazard to even fly, his fellow pilots were all decades older than him, and they were sure not to see any combat action for a long time.

As fate would have it, with less than 8 months until the planned retirement of the craft, they were called to arms. As fate would further have it, less than three months after, the rest of his squadron would be shot down in an engagement with a single Su-57. Leaving him alone to escort a defecting Estvakian pilot to Vitoze.

Crew Members: N/A


RP Example: E

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[Sapim]

Name: Helena Martiz
Nationality: Sapinish
Age (21 at youngest): 32
Gender: F

Rank (O-1, O-2 or O-3): O-1
Callsign: Bono

Appearance:

Height: 175cm (5'9ft)
Weight: 75kg (165lbs)

Aircraft: Saab J35J Draken
Aircraft Appearance: The aircraft uses Sapin's air force colors a dark blue with a yellow x-shaped cross.
Emblem: An all-black flame bull.

Funds Ƶ10,000

Personality: Helena has a strong, agile and experienced personality, thanks to her knowledge of aircrafts. She is also an intelligent person and a great historian she even has a history degree on about the world of Strangereal passing on information of historical relevance in combat, she also prefers to drink wines and other beverages from the countries to which she is hired as a mercenary. She harbors a certain hatred for the Belkans because her father died during the conflict.
Strengths: Thanks to her experience in the 55-year-old Saab J35J Draken and the history diploma turns her into a veritable encyclopedia of the history of Strangereal and about airplanes of 3th,4th and 5th generation of fighters.
Weaknesses: Due to her hatred of the Belkans she has a tendency to fight against them.
Likes: A good drink and fly; history book and be a friendly possible with no Belkans.
Dislikes: Belkans, Poker and not fly.

Bio: Born October 17, 1983 in Gran Rugido the daughter of an air force officer killed in combat and the 3rd daughter of a family of 6. When she 19 received a degree in history at the University of Gran Rugido.

At 21 years old she joined the air force thanks to her intelligence and following her father's career.

At 23 she was assigned to the squadron 678 callsign "Horse" doing as of January 15, 2011, seeing that Sapin's air force had nothing more to offer she decides to transform herself into a mercenary being hired to participate in conflicts. His father's death during the Belka War was forever marked with a feeling of hatred for the Belkans. In 2015 she was hired by the government of Emmeria to join the 3rd Aerial Volunteer Squadron "Sterling" against Estovakia.

Crew Members: S/N


RP Example: The Belkan War [IC]

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[Hastur]

Name: Helena Martiz
Nationality: Sapinish
Age (21 at youngest): 47
Gender: F

Rank (O-1, O-2 or O-3): O-3
Callsign: Bono

Appearance:

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Height: 175cm (5'9ft)
Weight: 75kg (165lbs)

Aircraft: Saab J35J Draken
Aircraft Appearance: The aircraft uses Sapin's air force colors a dark blue with a yellow x-shaped cross.
Emblem: An all-black flame bull.

(Image)

Funds Ƶ10,000

Personality: Helena has a strong, agile and experienced personality, thanks to her years as an ace in both her military and mercenary careers. She is also an intelligent person and a great historian about the world of Strangereal passing on information of historical relevance in combat, she also prefers to drink wines and other beverages from the countries to which she is hired as a mercenary. She suffers from hypermnesia syndrome which means she doesn't forget anything.
Strengths: Thanks to her experience in the 55-year-old Saab J35J Draken and the hypermnesia syndrome she remembers everything turns her into a veritable encyclopedia of the history of Strangereal and about airplanes.
Weaknesses: with this syndrome she suffers from recurring nightmares due to a possible war trauma and her screams can be heard at night at the military base.
Likes: A good drink and fly; INTEL and be a friend.
Dislikes: From your nightmares and from liars.

Bio: Born October 17, 1968 in Gran Rugido the daughter of an air force officer killed in combat and the 3rd daughter of a family of 6. When she was 8 years old she was diagnosed with the hypermnesia syndrome that leaves her with an active memory.

At 17 years old she joined the air force thanks to her intelligence and her syndrome following her father's career. At 18 she was assigned to the squadron 678 callsign "Horse" . At 26 to 27 years her first experience in combat occurs during the Belka war during this period she managed to crash 15 planes in her missions before she was shot down in a mission in the B7R air and on the day that was scheduled for her in the mountains of Waldreich on 6th June 1995 leaving her with recurrent psychological trauma and nightmares due to that day.

Soon after this war, looking to further improve her skills and in search of money and reputation, she decides to become a mercenary.

In 1997 at the age of 29 she was hired by Usean Allied Forces in the coup d'état taking place on the continent of the USEA and assigned to the Scarface mercenary squad.

In 2003, aged 35, she was hired by the Independent State Allied Forces (ISAF) in the continental war against Erusea. And then over the years she was being hired and more and more being hired to resolve small conflicts over the years.

In 2015, now 46 years old she was hired by the government of Emmeria to join the 3rd Aerial Volunteer Squadron "Sterling" against Estovakia

Crew Members: S/N


RP Example: The Belkan War [IC]

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Hello. Not an OP or anything, just figured I’d give you some suggestions with the app.

I’d first off recommend reading the IC and getting an understanding of the level of writing here. Newcomers are (likely) more than welcome however if they can put in some good work.

First thing I’d probably mention is your characters age, which will bring us into the bio. They are closing in on fifty, but are still participating in mercenary conflicts around the globe. First thing I’d ask is why? Surely at a flight record of thirty five + years they’d want something else outside of money and fame. At what point is their record enough? How had the previous conflicts shaped them as a human being? Why do they keep doing it? At some point, they aren’t going to be able to keep flying, what is their long term goal?

Second, is that PTSD that you’ve described would be crippling, and they wouldn’t be allowed to serve anywhere because of it. Mental trauma should factor in more with your character if you want to use it, it should be an aspect of their personality. How had their horrific experiences shaped them? What effects does it or has it had over their behaviour?

That being said, your character should have negative points to them outside of this. Everyone had upsides and downsides, and a lot of the time these are based on events throughout our lives. Perhaps their overzealous in the field, or on the opposite end of the spectrum, overly cautious. Other things could be a hatred of Belkans, or a brutal mentality in the field. Think of how being a veteran in these conflicts has effected them negatively.