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What is your denomination?

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34%
Eastern Orthodox
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75
9%
Anglican/Episcopalian
41
5%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
76
10%
Methodist
21
3%
Baptist
65
8%
Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, Charismatic, etc.)
50
6%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
31
4%
Other Christian
100
13%
 
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Postby Lower Nubia » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:11 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Yes. As I say, it's a traditional Anglican practice, one that has largely fallen out of use.


Huh, seems very strange to me. But interesting.

Was it a Reformation development or did it exist before then as well?


Likely a compromise of the era between Catholic, Lutheran, and Reformed leaning factions.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:15 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Yes. As I say, it's a traditional Anglican practice, one that has largely fallen out of use.


Huh, seems very strange to me. But interesting.

Was it a Reformation development or did it exist before then as well?

I'm fairly sure it was introduced during the Reformation, with the first edition of the Book of Common Prayer. There's a good blog post about the practice here. I'm not sure what the actual rationale for it was at the time.
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:21 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Huh, seems very strange to me. But interesting.

Was it a Reformation development or did it exist before then as well?

I'm fairly sure it was introduced during the Reformation, with the first edition of the Book of Common Prayer. There's a good blog post about the practice here. I'm not sure what the actual rationale for it was at the time.


Huh, fascinating.

I think I'll stick with Ad Orientum though ;P
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:22 am

Oh, speaking of Anglicanism and Catholicism, today's St. Thomas More's feast day.
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Postby Lower Nubia » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:29 am

Salus Maior wrote:Oh, speaking of Anglicanism and Catholicism, today's St. Thomas More's feast day.

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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:30 am

Lower Nubia wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:Oh, speaking of Anglicanism and Catholicism, today's St. Thomas More's feast day.

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I understood that reference
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:35 am

Lower Nubia wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:Oh, speaking of Anglicanism and Catholicism, today's St. Thomas More's feast day.

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We were being too nice and respectful to each other ;P
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Postby Kowani » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:36 am

Salus Maior wrote:Oh, speaking of Anglicanism and Catholicism, today's St. Thomas More's feast day.

an excuse to eat more food
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:37 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Lower Nubia wrote:sorts by controversial


We were being too nice and respectful to each other ;P


It's making me jittery. You wanna go get thrown out of an Applebee's?
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:37 am

We already discussed Thomas More last week, or at least Sundiata and I did.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:40 am

Kowani wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:Oh, speaking of Anglicanism and Catholicism, today's St. Thomas More's feast day.

an excuse to eat more food

like we need an excuse
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Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
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Postby Kowani » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:43 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Kowani wrote:an excuse to eat more food

like we need an excuse

...fair point
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Postby Lower Nubia » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:46 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Kowani wrote:an excuse to eat more food

like we need an excuse


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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:56 am

Lower Nubia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:like we need an excuse


Our religion is literally centred around eating our God. As if too much is an obstacle.


it's not gluttony if everyone is fed.
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1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Postby Lower Nubia » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:59 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Lower Nubia wrote:
Our religion is literally centred around eating our God. As if too much is an obstacle.


it's not gluttony if everyone is fed.


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Kowani wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:Oh, speaking of Anglicanism and Catholicism, today's St. Thomas More's feast day.

an excuse to eat more food

Well it’s 2 PM and I haven’t had food yet. SO.

He’s probably mad at me. :/
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Lower Nubia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:like we need an excuse


Our religion is literally centred around eating our God. As if too much is an obstacle.


I take you believe in transubstantiation then?
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North Washington Republic wrote:
Lower Nubia wrote:
Our religion is literally centred around eating our God. As if too much is an obstacle.




I take you believe in transubstantiation then?


yes. But don't confuse transubstantiation with the Real Presence.
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Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
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Tarsonis wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:


I take you believe in transubstantiation then?


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I know you do. I’m asking Lower Nubia if they believe in it. Some anglicans do, some anglicans don’t. The high church ones are more likely to believe in it.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:06 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
yes. But don't confuse transubstantiation with the Real Presence.


I know you do. I’m asking Lower Nubia if they believe in it. Some anglicans do, some anglicans don’t. The high church ones are more likely to believe in it.


I meant yes he does. He's Anglo-Catholic.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:09 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
I know you do. I’m asking Lower Nubia if they believe in it. Some anglicans do, some anglicans don’t. The high church ones are more likely to believe in it.


I meant yes he does. He's Anglo-Catholic.


Not all Anglo-Catholics believe in transubstantiation.
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Postby Nevertopia » Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:10 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
I know you do. I’m asking Lower Nubia if they believe in it. Some anglicans do, some anglicans don’t. The high church ones are more likely to believe in it.


I meant yes he does. He's Anglo-Catholic.


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Postby Lower Nubia » Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:12 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Lower Nubia wrote:
Our religion is literally centred around eating our God. As if too much is an obstacle.


I take you believe in transubstantiation then?


Yes.
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Postby Lower Nubia » Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:12 pm

Nevertopia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
I meant yes he does. He's Anglo-Catholic.


speaking of the vatican, isnt the grounds technically deconsecrated from all the child abuse that goes on?


That's left field, and no. The idea ground isn't consecrated because a bishop/priest sins, is Donatism.
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Postby Nevertopia » Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:13 pm

Lower Nubia wrote:
Nevertopia wrote:
speaking of the vatican, isnt the grounds technically deconsecrated from all the child abuse that goes on?


That's left field, and no. The idea ground isn't consecrated because a bishop/priest sins, is Donatism.


sounds like the donatists were on to something.
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