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by Galloism » Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:00 pm
by Gravlen » Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:44 pm
Galloism wrote:Gravlen wrote:The introductory paragraph worries me and makes me think the answer might be yes.Another leading CBP figure remarked that border agents were not required to adhere to the same constitutional restraints on the use of force as other law enforcers. “We are not cops,” he said.
I was making a joke, and you had to get all serious on me.
by Picairn » Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:15 pm
Grenartia wrote:It stopped being possible when one side started being entirely unreasonable.
We could reform immigration if we wanted to. Make it easier for legitimate immigration to happen, and give a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants without "amnesty" (which has been made into a boogeyman).
We could make voting a guaranteed right without increasing voter fraud if we wanted to. Make government-issued IDs mandatory at polls, but free to obtain and easier to access.
by Shrillland » Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:42 pm
Picairn wrote:Fuck, I missed the thread opening ceremony.Grenartia wrote:It stopped being possible when one side started being entirely unreasonable.
We could reform immigration if we wanted to. Make it easier for legitimate immigration to happen, and give a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants without "amnesty" (which has been made into a boogeyman).
We could make voting a guaranteed right without increasing voter fraud if we wanted to. Make government-issued IDs mandatory at polls, but free to obtain and easier to access.
Tbh we should give amnesty to law-abiding immigrants who have paid taxes and lived here for a long time, they have passed the trial for citizenship more than a natural born American.
by The Black Forrest » Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:43 pm
Picairn wrote:Fuck, I missed the thread opening ceremony.Grenartia wrote:It stopped being possible when one side started being entirely unreasonable.
We could reform immigration if we wanted to. Make it easier for legitimate immigration to happen, and give a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants without "amnesty" (which has been made into a boogeyman).
We could make voting a guaranteed right without increasing voter fraud if we wanted to. Make government-issued IDs mandatory at polls, but free to obtain and easier to access.
Tbh we should give amnesty to law-abiding immigrants who have paid taxes and lived here for a long time, they have passed the trial for citizenship more than a natural born American.
by The United Confederacy of Texas » Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:08 pm
San Lumen wrote:Torisakia wrote:I realized that I didn't want anything to do with fanbases of either side a while back. I originally didn't like one side, until I realized the other side is equally as stupid.
This is why I've voted for Godzilla in the past several elections. We wouldn't be the shithole we are now if he were President.
That’s an excellent idea. Who would his VP be?
by Rusozak » Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:08 pm
by Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:13 pm
by Greater Cesnica » Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:18 pm
Rusozak wrote:In response to the poll, I would say it depends on the opponent. Everyday Republicans, people that haven't surrendered their ability to reason over to Trump, the rational sort, they can still be reasoned and collaborated with. But the Trump cultists, the people that give their minds and souls fully to their new god, they are a lost cause. They can't be worked with, only contained. The moment they betrayed democracy to try and make Trump ruler against the will of the people is the moment they ceased to be political opponents and became enemies of the nation and the people.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
by The Jamesian Republic » Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:39 pm
Greater Cesnica wrote:Rusozak wrote:In response to the poll, I would say it depends on the opponent. Everyday Republicans, people that haven't surrendered their ability to reason over to Trump, the rational sort, they can still be reasoned and collaborated with. But the Trump cultists, the people that give their minds and souls fully to their new god, they are a lost cause. They can't be worked with, only contained. The moment they betrayed democracy to try and make Trump ruler against the will of the people is the moment they ceased to be political opponents and became enemies of the nation and the people.
The "Everyday Republicans" represent enemies to me just as much as Trumpists do.
by Kowani » Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:39 pm
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by Senkaku » Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:41 pm
by The Jamesian Republic » Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:46 pm
by San Lumen » Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:19 pm
Yeerosland wrote:San Lumen wrote:Thats one of the dumbest things ive ever heard and shows a total lack of understanding of how ranked choice works.
"Total lack of understanding" in some voters, is likely to endure for many cycles. There's still time to call it "instant runoff" instead of "ranked choice" which absolutely IS going to be applied to less fair systems.
Suppose I tell the voters "Rank all the candidates from your favorite to your least favorite". And they do.
Then I count all the 1 votes and bin the rest. For any voters who didn't vote strategically (knowing what instant runoff is) the election will work like bad old First Past The Post, but smarter voters will have been tricked into ONLY voting for someone who wasn't their favorite, and their vote will likely be wasted.
"But that's not ranked choice voting" you will complain. Tell it to the judge. What you call it matters.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:30 pm
by Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:31 pm
by Zurkerx » Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:35 pm
San Lumen wrote:
Thats one of the dumbest things ive ever heard and shows a total lack of understanding of how ranked choice works.
by Torisakia » Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:36 pm
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Fuck all this lame ass shit going on in our politics. Make Greater Cesnica prime minister of Canada and I'll run for president of the United States.
[TNN] A cargo ship belonging to Torisakia disappeared off the coast of Kostane late Wednesday evening. TBI suspects foul play. || Congress passes a T$10 billion aid package for the Democratic Populist rebels in Kostane. To include firearms, vehicles, and artillery.
by San Lumen » Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:37 pm
Zurkerx wrote:San Lumen wrote:Thats one of the dumbest things ive ever heard and shows a total lack of understanding of how ranked choice works.
Precisely. I did hear about a co-campaigning effort. I figured it involved Yang but I wasn't sure who the other person was. I thought Garcia was leading though it is close last I checked.
by Torisakia » Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:38 pm
Greater Cesnica wrote:Rusozak wrote:In response to the poll, I would say it depends on the opponent. Everyday Republicans, people that haven't surrendered their ability to reason over to Trump, the rational sort, they can still be reasoned and collaborated with. But the Trump cultists, the people that give their minds and souls fully to their new god, they are a lost cause. They can't be worked with, only contained. The moment they betrayed democracy to try and make Trump ruler against the will of the people is the moment they ceased to be political opponents and became enemies of the nation and the people.
The "Everyday Republicans" represent enemies to me just as much as Trumpists do.
[TNN] A cargo ship belonging to Torisakia disappeared off the coast of Kostane late Wednesday evening. TBI suspects foul play. || Congress passes a T$10 billion aid package for the Democratic Populist rebels in Kostane. To include firearms, vehicles, and artillery.
by San Lumen » Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:40 pm
by Galloism » Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:40 pm
Torisakia wrote:Greater Cesnica wrote:The "Everyday Republicans" represent enemies to me just as much as Trumpists do.
People seem to be confused on how politics work. Different political parties aren't supposed to work together. That's why they're separate. They're supposed to be mortal enemies. If two or more parties are going to work together, they might as well just create their own party. It's stupid.
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