American Politics Thread V: We're Just Biden Our Time ...

[Fauzjhia]

Joe Manchin might need republican voters, but the GOP does not need him, they don't need to negotiate with him.

Exactly, which is why he has to work with them, or else he's out of a job.

but the problem is that the republican do not need him, they would prefer to see a republican in his seat, so they will not negotiate, they have no reason to.

[Thermodolia]

He supports a dictatorship by environmentalists though. Imagine a secret police arresting you for failure to recycle

My guy, it literally does not matter who is running the dictatorship. An authoritarian system cannot survive without state-sanctioned violence and terrorism to keep people in line. This is the inherent nature of a dictatorship. The only way to circumvent this is by either brainwashing the populace into total obedience to the state or by distracting them with mindless entertainment to keep them docile and apathetic. Neither of which are as effective. It doesn't matter who you put in charge and give unlimited power, they will become tyrants. They will always become tyrants. They have to become tyrants or else they won't survive. This is how authoritarian systems work and it's why they should be destroyed.

Imagine writing a paragraph because of a joke. Peak Lib-left vibes

[Atheris]

My guy, it literally does not matter who is running the dictatorship. An authoritarian system cannot survive without state-sanctioned violence and terrorism to keep people in line. This is the inherent nature of a dictatorship. The only way to circumvent this is by either brainwashing the populace into total obedience to the state or by distracting them with mindless entertainment to keep them docile and apathetic. Neither of which are as effective. It doesn't matter who you put in charge and give unlimited power, they will become tyrants. They will always become tyrants. They have to become tyrants or else they won't survive. This is how authoritarian systems work and it's why they should be destroyed.

Imagine writing a paragraph because of a joke. Peak Lib-left vibes

can confirm, lib-left

[Ifreann]

He supports a dictatorship by environmentalists though. Imagine a secret police arresting you for failure to recycle

My guy, it literally does not matter who is running the dictatorship. An authoritarian system cannot survive without state-sanctioned violence and terrorism to keep people in line. This is the inherent nature of a dictatorship. The only way to circumvent this is by either brainwashing the populace into total obedience to the state or by distracting them with mindless entertainment to keep them docile and apathetic. Neither of which are as effective. It doesn't matter who you put in charge and give unlimited power, they will become tyrants. They will always become tyrants. They have to become tyrants or else they won't survive. This is how authoritarian systems work and it's why they should be destroyed.

What are the police, if not state-sanctioned violence meant to keep people in line?

[Washington Resistance Army]

He supports a dictatorship by environmentalists though. Imagine a secret police arresting you for failure to recycle

My guy, it literally does not matter who is running the dictatorship. An authoritarian system cannot survive without state-sanctioned violence and terrorism to keep people in line. This is the inherent nature of a dictatorship. The only way to circumvent this is by either brainwashing the populace into total obedience to the state or by distracting them with mindless entertainment to keep them docile and apathetic. Neither of which are as effective. It doesn't matter who you put in charge and give unlimited power, they will become tyrants. They will always become tyrants. They have to become tyrants or else they won't survive. This is how authoritarian systems work and it's why they should be destroyed.

That's true of every political system. Don't pay your taxes and see what happens.

[Kowani]

Joe Manchin might need republican voters, but the GOP does not need him, they don't need to negotiate with him.

Exactly, which is why he has to work with them, or else he's out of a job.

manchin's mentioned on at least one occasion that he doesn't care if he loses his seat anymore
hell, he almost didn't run in 2018-they had to cajole him into doing it- and it's inaccurate to expect him to be making calculations on that basis
we must look through the lens of the manchinite ideology, not just cynical political maneuvering

[Exalted Inquellian State]

My guy, it literally does not matter who is running the dictatorship. An authoritarian system cannot survive without state-sanctioned violence and terrorism to keep people in line. This is the inherent nature of a dictatorship. The only way to circumvent this is by either brainwashing the populace into total obedience to the state or by distracting them with mindless entertainment to keep them docile and apathetic. Neither of which are as effective. It doesn't matter who you put in charge and give unlimited power, they will become tyrants. They will always become tyrants. They have to become tyrants or else they won't survive. This is how authoritarian systems work and it's why they should be destroyed.

What are the police, if not state-sanctioned violence meant to keep people in line?

You do realize some anarchists aren't against police as long as it's elected, right?

[Thermodolia]

What are the police, if not state-sanctioned violence meant to keep people in line?

You do realize some anarchists aren't against police as long as it's elected, right?

Elected police? What the?

[Punished UMN]

What are the police, if not state-sanctioned violence meant to keep people in line?

You do realize some anarchists aren't against police as long as it's elected, right?

That's not even coherent. You can't be an anarchist if you decide the state is fine as long as it's elected. That's just liberalism lol

[Atheris]

What are the police, if not state-sanctioned violence meant to keep people in line?

You do realize some anarchists aren't against police as long as it's elected, right?

But... the police enforce the state. How can you be an anarchist and for the idea of police? That's an oxymoron!

[Lady Victory]

My guy, it literally does not matter who is running the dictatorship. An authoritarian system cannot survive without state-sanctioned violence and terrorism to keep people in line. This is the inherent nature of a dictatorship. The only way to circumvent this is by either brainwashing the populace into total obedience to the state or by distracting them with mindless entertainment to keep them docile and apathetic. Neither of which are as effective. It doesn't matter who you put in charge and give unlimited power, they will become tyrants. They will always become tyrants. They have to become tyrants or else they won't survive. This is how authoritarian systems work and it's why they should be destroyed.

Imagine writing a paragraph because of a joke. Peak Lib-left vibes

If you think I'm a Leftist then you evidently don't know much about me or the Left.

My guy, it literally does not matter who is running the dictatorship. An authoritarian system cannot survive without state-sanctioned violence and terrorism to keep people in line. This is the inherent nature of a dictatorship. The only way to circumvent this is by either brainwashing the populace into total obedience to the state or by distracting them with mindless entertainment to keep them docile and apathetic. Neither of which are as effective. It doesn't matter who you put in charge and give unlimited power, they will become tyrants. They will always become tyrants. They have to become tyrants or else they won't survive. This is how authoritarian systems work and it's why they should be destroyed.

What are the police, if not state-sanctioned violence meant to keep people in line?

Anarcho-bullshit like this makes genuine anti-authoritarianism look silly, you know.

My guy, it literally does not matter who is running the dictatorship. An authoritarian system cannot survive without state-sanctioned violence and terrorism to keep people in line. This is the inherent nature of a dictatorship. The only way to circumvent this is by either brainwashing the populace into total obedience to the state or by distracting them with mindless entertainment to keep them docile and apathetic. Neither of which are as effective. It doesn't matter who you put in charge and give unlimited power, they will become tyrants. They will always become tyrants. They have to become tyrants or else they won't survive. This is how authoritarian systems work and it's why they should be destroyed.

That's true of every political system. Don't pay your taxes and see what happens.

There's a difference between being arrested for not paying your taxes and being shot dead in the streets for protesting a rigged election.

[Senkaku]

You would prefer to be tortured by the secret police for wrongthink while the world dies and society slowly collapses?

You picked a weird hill to die on, my man.

He supports a dictatorship by environmentalists though. Imagine a secret police arresting you for failure to recycle

sounds good to me, given that the alternative is a horrible collective death for the species

[Washington Resistance Army]

There's a difference between being arrested for not paying your taxes and being shot dead in the streets for protesting a rigged election.

No, instead you're just shot in the street for being black and all sorts of wonderful things. All politics, barring maybe some extremely pacifistic forms of anarchism, are inherently rooted in violence. This isn't even a controversial take.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

You do realize some anarchists aren't against police as long as it's elected, right?

That's not even coherent. You can't be an anarchist if you decide the state is fine as long as it's elected. That's just liberalism lol

Anarchists are fine with armies, as long as orders are up for interpretation and soldiers elect their superiors. The Free Territory in Ukraine actually had an elected assembly too.

[Thermodolia]

He supports a dictatorship by environmentalists though. Imagine a secret police arresting you for failure to recycle

sounds good to me, given that the alternative is a horrible collective death for the species

“You are under arrest for driving a gas consuming vehicle. Do not resist you will be reeducated”

[Punished UMN]

That's not even coherent. You can't be an anarchist if you decide the state is fine as long as it's elected. That's just liberalism lol

Anarchists are fine with armies, as long as orders are up for interpretation and soldiers elect their superiors. The Free Territory in Ukraine actually had an elected assembly too.

Yeah, so they weren't really anarchists. Anarchy by definition is a rejection of the state.

[Andsed]

sounds good to me, given that the alternative is a horrible collective death for the species

You are under arrest for driving a gas consuming vehicle. Do not resist you will be reeducated

I know this is probably a joke, but I would think a dictatorship to fight climate change would be more concerned with shutting down fossil fuel plants.

[Kowani]

What are the police, if not state-sanctioned violence meant to keep people in line?

Anarcho-bullshit like this makes genuine anti-authoritarianism look silly, you know.

...wait no, he's right

sounds good to me, given that the alternative is a horrible collective death for the species

“You are under arrest for driving a gas consuming vehicle. Do not resist you will be reeducated”

we shall use this "revenue" to build railroads

[Lady Victory]

There's a difference between being arrested for not paying your taxes and being shot dead in the streets for protesting a rigged election.

No, instead you're just shot in the street for being black and all sorts of wonderful things. All politics, barring maybe some extremely pacifistic forms of anarchism, are inherently rooted in violence. This isn't even a controversial take.

Your Americentrism is showing.

[Ifreann]

What are the police, if not state-sanctioned violence meant to keep people in line?

You do realize some anarchists aren't against police as long as it's elected, right?

Don't know what the relevance of this comment is meant to be, but yes, I am aware of that.

[Thermodolia]

Imagine writing a paragraph because of a joke. Peak Lib-left vibes

If you think I'm a Leftist then you evidently don't know much about me or the Left.

No I don’t think you’re a leftist, I think you can’t take a joke. Which is a stereotype of Lib-left types. No humor and novels of writing because someone made a joke

[Lady Victory]

Anarcho-bullshit like this makes genuine anti-authoritarianism look silly, you know.

...wait no, he's right

He's *technically* right, but he knows damn well that wasn't what I was talking about.

[Washington Resistance Army]

No, instead you're just shot in the street for being black and all sorts of wonderful things. All politics, barring maybe some extremely pacifistic forms of anarchism, are inherently rooted in violence. This isn't even a controversial take.

Your Americentrism is showing.

That's not Americentrism. You literally cannot have a state without the ability for the state to use violence to defend and ensure its own existence and the upholding of its laws and treaties and such things. This is basic polsci.

[Lady Victory]

If you think I'm a Leftist then you evidently don't know much about me or the Left.

No I don’t think you’re a leftist, I think you can’t take a joke. Which is a stereotype of Lib-left types. No humor and novels of writing because someone made a joke

I can take a joke when I know it's a joke. The way I read it was as mocking condescension, which I have a low tolerance for.

[Atheris]

My guy, it literally does not matter who is running the dictatorship. An authoritarian system cannot survive without state-sanctioned violence and terrorism to keep people in line. This is the inherent nature of a dictatorship. The only way to circumvent this is by either brainwashing the populace into total obedience to the state or by distracting them with mindless entertainment to keep them docile and apathetic. Neither of which are as effective. It doesn't matter who you put in charge and give unlimited power, they will become tyrants. They will always become tyrants. They have to become tyrants or else they won't survive. This is how authoritarian systems work and it's why they should be destroyed.

What are the police, if not state-sanctioned violence meant to keep people in line?

ah, yes
statist totalitarianism meant to keep dissent in check
such as murder
and theft
and domestic abuse
and gang wars
and assault