American Politics Thread V: We're Just Biden Our Time ...

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Why didn’t Republicans just outlaw abortion at the federal level in 2017 and do the with Lgbt rights? Seems like it would have been the simple thing to do since they had a majority.

No way Roberts or Gorsch would go for the second considering Gorsch wrote the opinion that ended lgbt discrimination in the workplace.

Because they were a disorganised mess due to Trump.

And now that they've purged their party of dissidents they're now back to their pet projects... with vigour since Trump gave them a comfortable SCOTUS majority.

[Kowani]

Justice Department to begin investigation of Trump’s use of the Justice Department to investigate political opponents

The Justice Department's inspector general will investigate the department's handling of a leak investigation into former President Donald Trump's political enemies that included a subpoena to collect metadata of lawmakers, staff and some family members, the office announced Friday.

The request comes as House Intelligence Committee Democrats hold a briefing at which Chairman Adam Schiff is expected to talk with his members about what the committee has learned, a source familiar tells CNN.

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[San Lumen]

Because they were a disorganised mess due to Trump.

And now that they've purged their party of dissidents they're now back to their pet projects... with vigour since Trump gave them a comfortable SCOTUS majority.

I guess abortion rights activists should just give up and Lgbt people should prepare for having no rights again nationwide. Both would be extremely unpopular and face tremendous backlash.

[Washington Resistance Army]

And now that they've purged their party of dissidents they're now back to their pet projects... with vigour since Trump gave them a comfortable SCOTUS majority.

I guess abortion rights activists should just give up and Lgbt people should prepare for having no rights again nationwide. Both would be extremely unpopular and face tremendous backlash.

Surely you would oppose such backlash though, after all the law is the law and people should obey it like you always say, yes?

[San Lumen]

I guess abortion rights activists should just give up and Lgbt people should prepare for having no rights again nationwide. Both would be extremely unpopular and face tremendous backlash.

Surely you would oppose such backlash though, after all the law is the law and people should obey it like you always say, yes?

No I wouldn’t because that would mean I have no rights. You can’t give a right and then take it away. You can’t annul thousands of marriages or rule that thousands of kids are no longer have parents. The court had an opportunity to do this last year with a case in Indiana. They refused to take it up.

[Senkaku]

Surely you would oppose such backlash though, after all the law is the law and people should obey it like you always say, yes?

No I wouldn’t because that would mean I have no rights. You can’t give a right and then take it away. You can’t annul thousands of marriages or rule that thousands of kids are no longer have parents. The court had an opportunity to do this last year with a case in Indiana. They refused to take it up.

You can’t… in the context of the current political climate, where elections still are significant determinants of a party’s control of state and federal offices (even if they’re flawed). If Republican power can be more fully separated from the desires of the whole electorate, those are things they could do, and things that significant numbers of Republicans express some degree of support for doing.

You can’t seem to decide if you’re saying “that’s impossible” or “I would oppose that,” or if the latter, then what opposing it and “backlash” would physically consist of.

[San Lumen]

No I wouldn’t because that would mean I have no rights. You can’t give a right and then take it away. You can’t annul thousands of marriages or rule that thousands of kids are no longer have parents. The court had an opportunity to do this last year with a case in Indiana. They refused to take it up.

You can’t… in the context of the current political climate, where elections still are significant determinants of a party’s control of state and federal offices (even if they’re flawed). If Republican power can be more fully separated from the desires of the whole electorate, those are things they could do, and things that significant numbers of Republicans express some degree of support for doing.

You can’t seem to decide if you’re saying “that’s impossible” or “I would oppose that,” or if the latter, then what opposing it and “backlash” would physically consist of.

Such an action like what you think will happen would be extremely unpopular and create a legal nightmare.

The Supreme Court had a prime opportunity last year to do overturn same sex marriage and adoption. They declined to take the case.

[Kowani]

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[Senkaku]

You can’t… in the context of the current political climate, where elections still are significant determinants of a party’s control of state and federal offices (even if they’re flawed). If Republican power can be more fully separated from the desires of the whole electorate, those are things they could do, and things that significant numbers of Republicans express some degree of support for doing.

You can’t seem to decide if you’re saying “that’s impossible” or “I would oppose that,” or if the latter, then what opposing it and “backlash” would physically consist of.

Such an action like what you think will happen would be extremely unpopular and create a legal nightmare.

Okay? Why do you think that’s relevant? When people express concern over the potential end of democracy, they’re not just saying that in a vacuum, it’s because they’re worried about the possibility it opens up for whoever’s in control of the state to do things that the people really don’t want. Saying “it would be unpopular” is not the same as saying “they wouldn’t do it” or “it couldn’t happen.”

The Supreme Court had a prime opportunity last year to do overturn same sex marriage and adoption. They declined to take the case.

Yeah, last year. It’s like you’re not even reading what I’m saying. The political environment is changing; their declining last year does not mean they will always do so or even that they will always be a relevant actor in determining these things.

[San Lumen]

Such an action like what you think will happen would be extremely unpopular and create a legal nightmare.

Okay? Why do you think that’s relevant? When people express concern over the potential end of democracy, they’re not just saying that in a vacuum, it’s because they’re worried about the possibility it opens up for whoever’s in control of the state to do things that the people really don’t want. Saying “it would be unpopular” is not the same as saying “they wouldn’t do it” or “it couldn’t happen.”

The Supreme Court had a prime opportunity last year to do overturn same sex marriage and adoption. They declined to take the case.

Yeah, last year. It’s like you’re not even reading what I’m saying. The political environment is changing; their declining last year does not mean they will always do so or even that they will always be a relevant actor in determining these things.

How would they not be a relevant actor? Is a future Republican Congress and president going to pass a law rolling back Lgbt rights and then decide to completely ignore the courts when they strike it down?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

the courts when they strike it down?

IF SL, a very big IF they strike it down. SCOTUS is going to live as a 7-2 GOP majority for the next few decades.

[San Lumen]

the courts when they strike it down?

IF SL, a very big IF they strike it down. SCOTUS is going to live as a 7-2 GOP majority for the next few decades.

How you getting a 7-2 majority?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

And now that they've purged their party of dissidents they're now back to their pet projects... with vigour since Trump gave them a comfortable SCOTUS majority.

I guess abortion rights activists should just give up and Lgbt people should prepare for having no rights again nationwide. Both would be extremely unpopular and face tremendous backlash.

How about you stop relying on the fucking government to protect you and those you care about? Cause at best they don't care about you as a person and at worst under folks like Trump, they're out to get you. Screw the courts. Defend your rights by any means.

[Senkaku]

Okay? Why do you think that’s relevant? When people express concern over the potential end of democracy, they’re not just saying that in a vacuum, it’s because they’re worried about the possibility it opens up for whoever’s in control of the state to do things that the people really don’t want. Saying “it would be unpopular” is not the same as saying “they wouldn’t do it” or “it couldn’t happen.”

Yeah, last year. It’s like you’re not even reading what I’m saying. The political environment is changing; their declining last year does not mean they will always do so or even that they will always be a relevant actor in determining these things.

How would they not be a relevant actor? Is a future Republican Congress and president going to pass a law rolling back Lgbt rights and then decide to completely ignore the courts when they strike it down?

You do know presidents have ignored the courts before, right? How many divisions have they got?

It’s not really clear how the political situation in this country is going to develop over the next decade, but I’m worried you may find yourself regretting this level of complacency. https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/d308d217-42c8-4a45-b2d5-07c0a119b945

[Washington Resistance Army]

Okay? Why do you think that’s relevant? When people express concern over the potential end of democracy, they’re not just saying that in a vacuum, it’s because they’re worried about the possibility it opens up for whoever’s in control of the state to do things that the people really don’t want. Saying “it would be unpopular” is not the same as saying “they wouldn’t do it” or “it couldn’t happen.”

Yeah, last year. It’s like you’re not even reading what I’m saying. The political environment is changing; their declining last year does not mean they will always do so or even that they will always be a relevant actor in determining these things.

How would they not be a relevant actor? Is a future Republican Congress and president going to pass a law rolling back Lgbt rights and then decide to completely ignore the courts when they strike it down?

Yeah probably lol. Have you missed the GOP's transformation? I could totally see a Trumpist Republican saying "They've made their ruling, let them enforce it".

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

How would they not be a relevant actor? Is a future Republican Congress and president going to pass a law rolling back Lgbt rights and then decide to completely ignore the courts when they strike it down?

Yeah probably lol. Have you missed the GOP's transformation? I could totally see a Trumpist Republican saying "They've made their ruling, let them enforce it".

And honestly I don't know how SL doesn't realise that SCOTUS is ruled by a GOP majority so it's far more likely that we get a ruling in favour of the GOP when they come with something that isn't completely idiotic like the election cases.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

How would they not be a relevant actor? Is a future Republican Congress and president going to pass a law rolling back Lgbt rights and then decide to completely ignore the courts when they strike it down?

Yeah probably lol. Have you missed the GOP's transformation? I could totally see a Trumpist Republican saying "They've made their ruling, let them enforce it".

"The Supreme Court today said I can't criminalize the fake news media. Cool shit, I never asked and I don't care what you or the constitution thinks."

-Donald Trump after narrowly winning reelection in 2024, thanks in no small part to voter fraud and Biden being an unintelligent professional nice guy.

[Thermodolia]

...I do not understand this ...response.

SL probs thinks a majority of Americans are as idealistic as him...
I press X for doubt.

The majority of Americans just don’t give a fuck about things that don’t directly involve them.

Interestingly though gay marriage has a higher level of support nation wide than abortion does. So it’s slightly disingenuous to compare the two as a lot of the nation is effectively split down the middle in terms of support for abortion while support for gay marriage is actually at it’s all time highest point of 71%

[San Lumen]

How would they not be a relevant actor? Is a future Republican Congress and president going to pass a law rolling back Lgbt rights and then decide to completely ignore the courts when they strike it down?

Yeah probably lol. Have you missed the GOP's transformation? I could totally see a Trumpist Republican saying "They've made their ruling, let them enforce it".

And that’s not going to go over well with many people. It would be political suicide especially when 70 percent support it.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yeah probably lol. Have you missed the GOP's transformation? I could totally see a Trumpist Republican saying "They've made their ruling, let them enforce it".

And that’s not going to go over well with many people. It would be political suicide.

What are the people gonna do?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Yeah probably lol. Have you missed the GOP's transformation? I could totally see a Trumpist Republican saying "They've made their ruling, let them enforce it".

And that’s not going to go over well with many people. It would be political suicide.

If they wanted your vote perhaps. What stake does a guy in deepest Alabama/Florida or most rural of rural Dakotas have in legal gay marriage?

[Thermodolia]

Widespread blackout and fire at an electric substation in Monacillos, in Puerto Rico, authorities investigating possible cyberattack

Why aren’t we isolating our power infrastructure from the rest of the Internet?

[San Lumen]

And that’s not going to go over well with many people. It would be political suicide.

What are the people gonna do?

Vote out those people.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Widespread blackout and fire at an electric substation in Monacillos, in Puerto Rico, authorities investigating possible cyberattack

Why aren’t we isolating our power infrastructure from the rest of the Internet?

Because that costs money and you know how Puerto Rico has none of that stuff.

[Washington Resistance Army]

What are the people gonna do?

Vote out those people.

I feel like you've missed the past couple of years entirely lol. The GOP doesn't care about democracy, in their ideal world those people won't be able to vote.