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Postby Jedinsto » Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:47 pm

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1622924746

Security Council Resolution #356 “Commend HumanSanity” shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Declare all your states in to a one big and strong under the leader AHMED DOGAN
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Postby Outer Sparta » Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:10 am

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1623224033

Commend Anters
A resolution to recognize outstanding contribution by a nation or region.

Category: Commendation

Nominee: Anters

Proposed by: Anters

This is my first proposal.If you are ok with my proposal pls vote yes.I hope you vote for my proposal the reason why i am talking so much is because i have
To at least write 50 characters.

Branding, not written from WA perspective, no operative clause
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Postby Sedgistan » Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:04 am

And multying to submit their self-Commend.

EDIT: It's not a "branding" (rule 4b) violation though. You might be thinking of the GA branding rule there.
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Postby Jedinsto » Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:12 pm

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1623435643

SHOCKED at Ilosttopia's use of multiple different client states to spread it's influence across The Red Mountains that have since been dissolved and integrated,

NOTING Ilosttopia's blatant and agressive attempts of imperialism within the previously specified nation,

ADDING that Ilosttopia is not, in fact, a utopia as it name may suggest,

I hereby CONDEMN myself as judgement for my actions, as well as giving the Security Council something to do in this long period of no proposals.


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Postby Outer Sparta » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:06 pm

Jedinsto wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_view_proposal/id=ilosttopia_1623435643

SHOCKED at Ilosttopia's use of multiple different client states to spread it's influence across The Red Mountains that have since been dissolved and integrated,

NOTING Ilosttopia's blatant and agressive attempts of imperialism within the previously specified nation,

ADDING that Ilosttopia is not, in fact, a utopia as it name may suggest,

I hereby CONDEMN myself as judgement for my actions, as well as giving the Security Council something to do in this long period of no proposals.


"I"

2b, 4th Wall and referring to the player using pronouns, right?
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Postby Tsaivao » Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:17 am

A resolution to strike down Delegate-imposed barriers to free entry in a region.

Category: Liberation

Nominee (region): The Communist Bloc

Proposed by: Polska-Lietuvis

Liberate “The Communist Bloc” for democracy and freedom. We need democracy, they need democracy. They can still use communism, but they should let the people vote for their leaders


Maybe 2b? It's pretty ambiguous if "we" is referencing any actual delegation or nations in general
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Postby Moonfungus » Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:43 am

Tsaivao wrote:
Maybe 2b? It's pretty ambiguous if "we" is referencing any actual delegation or nations in general

It definitely breaks 1a and 1d, at the very least.
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Postby Morover » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:05 pm

Security Council Proposal
ID: ecosociala_1625628744

Commend Estovlaka
A resolution to recognize outstanding contribution by a nation or region.

Category: Commendation

Nominee: Estovlaka

Proposed by: Ecosociala

The WA Security Council,

RECOGNIZING that mental health is a significant issue throughout the global community, especially in the midst of the current pandemic,

NOTING Estovlaka's effort to send mass telegrams containing positive messages to individuals around the world, in an effort to prevent suicide and mental illness,

REALIZING that even the simplest acts of kindness can mean the difference between life and death for individuals suffering from mental illness,

Hereby commends Estovlaka.

Approvals: 1 (Tinhampton)

Status: LEGAL
Status: Lacking Support (requires 55 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 2 days 23 hours

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1625628744
2b (real-world references: "the current pandemic")
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Postby Wayneactia » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:16 pm

Morover wrote:
Security Council Proposal
ID: ecosociala_1625628744

Commend Estovlaka
A resolution to recognize outstanding contribution by a nation or region.

Category: Commendation

Nominee: Estovlaka

Proposed by: Ecosociala

The WA Security Council,

RECOGNIZING that mental health is a significant issue throughout the global community, especially in the midst of the current pandemic,

NOTING Estovlaka's effort to send mass telegrams containing positive messages to individuals around the world, in an effort to prevent suicide and mental illness,

REALIZING that even the simplest acts of kindness can mean the difference between life and death for individuals suffering from mental illness,

Hereby commends Estovlaka.

Approvals: 1 (Tinhampton)

Status: LEGAL
Status: Lacking Support (requires 55 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 2 days 23 hours

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1625628744
2b (real-world references: "the current pandemic")

I don't know about that. "Current Pandemic" could refer to a lot of things. I would be more concerned about the "Mass Telegrams" clause.

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Postby Sedgistan » Wed Jul 07, 2021 6:58 am

Both bits are illegal:

Seconds ago: Sedgistan: Illegal — Rule 2b - real world reference "current pandemic", Rule 2a - referring to NationStates as a game: "mass telegrams containing positive messages to individuals" - telegrams are sent to nations not individuals.

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Postby Morover » Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:45 pm

Security Council Proposal
ID: great_algerstonia_1625805698

Ban Bhang Bhang Duc From All Regions
A resolution to express a position on international affairs and obligations.

Category: Declaration

Type: Declare

Proposed by: Great Algerstonia

The Security Council,

NOTING that in the past, Bhang Bhang Duc said very mean things to me by saying that my drafts were "crap", "juvenile fun", "joke", "not funny or clever", "unoriginal", and "uninspired";

FURTHER NOTING that Bhang Bhang Duc blocked my telegrams,

BELIEVING that due to this, Bhang Bhang Duc deserves to be banned from every single region;

STRESSING that Bhang Bhang Duc is sus and has a primarily vent-based public transportation system,

Herby urges all regions to eject and ban Bhang Bhang Duc and all known puppet nations.

Approvals: 0

Status: LEGAL
Status: Lacking Support (requires 56 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 11 hours

As far as I can tell, the first illegal declaration! Here ye, here ye!

1a (Not from the perspective of the WA or SC; "me", "my drafts")

Edit: It appears that Goober has gotten it, but under the rule 2b. I personally disagree with it violating 2b, but it's illegal either way, so thanks Goober!
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Postby Wayneactia » Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:28 pm

Security Council Proposal
ID: khevo_1625806393

On Interregional Recruitment
A resolution to express a position on international affairs and obligations.

Category: Declaration

Type: Declare

Proposed by: Khevo

The Security Council,

Aware of the recruitment, whether by telegram, regional message board, or other means, that occurs between regions,

Recognizing that such recruitment may lead to a decrease in the size of a target region,

However noting the position of Feeders and Sinkers as inherent locations for national foundation and the resultant consistent inflow of nations, a benefit not afforded to regions that are neither a Feeder nor a Sinker,

Concerned that recruitment between regions that are neither a Feeder nor a Sinker will harm the long-term growth of such regions,

Hereby discourages regional government-supported recruitment of nations from regions that are neither a Feeder nor a Sinker, except in the case of war between the recruiting and target region or a target region that has marked itself as recruiter friendly.

2(a)

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Postby Morover » Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:30 pm

Wayneactia wrote:
Security Council Proposal
ID: khevo_1625806393

On Interregional Recruitment
A resolution to express a position on international affairs and obligations.

Category: Declaration

Type: Declare

Proposed by: Khevo

The Security Council,

Aware of the recruitment, whether by telegram, regional message board, or other means, that occurs between regions,

Recognizing that such recruitment may lead to a decrease in the size of a target region,

However noting the position of Feeders and Sinkers as inherent locations for national foundation and the resultant consistent inflow of nations, a benefit not afforded to regions that are neither a Feeder nor a Sinker,

Concerned that recruitment between regions that are neither a Feeder nor a Sinker will harm the long-term growth of such regions,

Hereby discourages regional government-supported recruitment of nations from regions that are neither a Feeder nor a Sinker, except in the case of war between the recruiting and target region or a target region that has marked itself as recruiter friendly.

2(a)

I disagree, I can't find anything that supposedly breaks the fourth wall.
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Postby Moonfungus » Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:34 pm

Morover wrote:I disagree, I can't find anything that supposedly breaks the fourth wall.

Might be referring to the "telegram" bit, but it seems IC enough to me.
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Postby Wayneactia » Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:36 pm

Morover wrote:I disagree, I can't find anything that supposedly breaks the fourth wall.

telegram, regional message board

Those are referring to the game are they not? RMB's and Telegrams don't exist in-character.

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Postby Morover » Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:38 pm

Moonfungus wrote:
Morover wrote:I disagree, I can't find anything that supposedly breaks the fourth wall.

Might be referring to the "telegram" bit, but it seems IC enough to me.

"telegram" is legal by precedent.
SC223; SC267; SC281, at just a brief search.

Wayneactia wrote:
Morover wrote:I disagree, I can't find anything that supposedly breaks the fourth wall.

telegram, regional message board

Those are referring to the game are they not? RMB's and Telegrams don't exist in-character.

RMB is ruled legal in the "Expanded details" section of rule 2a:
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Postby Goobergunchia » Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:45 pm

Wayneactia wrote:
Morover wrote:I disagree, I can't find anything that supposedly breaks the fourth wall.

telegram, regional message board

Those are referring to the game are they not? RMB's and Telegrams don't exist in-character.

Plenty of RL examples of nations using telegrams to communicate with each other. Consider, e.g., the Zimmermann Telegram.
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Postby Morover » Fri Jul 09, 2021 5:54 pm

Security Council Proposal
ID: tsardom_of_alaska_1625874910

Declaration On Kitty Cuteness
A resolution to express a position on international affairs and obligations.

Category: Declaration

Type: Declare

Proposed by: Tsardom of Alaska

NOTICING that kitties are cute,

REALIZING that this cuteness should be protected in some way,

HEREBY DECLARES that anyone who likes dogs better than cats shall be condemned.

Approvals: 2 (Meretica, J-O-E)

Status: LEGAL
Status: Lacking Support (requires 54 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 3 hours

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1625874910
Kind of an interesting one - it seems to be to be binding ("if x then y"), so I think it should be deemed illegal.
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Postby Wayneactia » Sat Jul 10, 2021 4:38 pm

Security Council Proposal
ID: nondenominational_christian_commonwealth_1625956943

Amendments To Resolutions
A resolution to express a position on international affairs and obligations.

Category: Declaration

Type: Declare

Proposed by: Nondenominational Christian Commonwealth

Recognising that Resolutions in both the General Assembly have been repealed and Replaced with different Resolutions to fix certain problems with the 1st Resolution.

Realising that a "Repeal" Resolution takes time to write, be deemed legal, reach quorum, (occasionally wait to have a vote), and have a vote on the floor of the General Assembly or the Security Council.

Also Recongising that the process stated in the previous sentence also applies to the Resolution proposed as a replacement.

Realizing that much-needed time would be saved if the World Assembly offered amendments to current resolutions.

Declaring that the Members of the World Assembly are calling upon the World Assembly Process be amended to allow amendments to existing Resolutions.

Approvals: 1 (Tinhampton)

Looks like a 3(b) violation to me.

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Postby Bears Armed » Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:31 am

Declaration On Kitty Cuteness
A resolution to express a position on international affairs and obligations.

Category: Declaration

Type: Declare

Proposed by: Tsardom of Alaska


NOTICING that kitties are cute,

REALIZING that this cuteness should be protected in some way,

HEREBY DECLARES that anyone who likes dogs better than cats shall be condemned.

Approvals: 12 (Meretica, J-O-E, Tinhampton, Baloo Kingdom, The Anarchist Federation of Spain, Qudrath, Cus Kazdines, Cokoland, You Should See Me in a Crown, Boris Cult, Pharoahs Haven, Harkagrad)

Status: LEGAL
Legal (3): Crazy girl, Sedgistan, Goobergunchia

13 hours ago: Goobergunchia: Legal
19 hours ago: Sedgistan: Legal
19 hours ago: Crazy girl: Legal
Status: Lacking Support (requires 44 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 1 day 15 hours

Is it really legal for Declarations to say that something "shall" be done, thereby (if they are passed) apparently placing a requirement on the WA's members (even OOC, not just IC) to perform those actions, rather than merely that it "should" be done?
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Postby Morover » Sun Jul 11, 2021 3:58 pm

Security Council Proposal
ID: north_of_americas_1626041989

Declaration On Spamming
A resolution to express a position on international affairs and obligations.

Category: Declaration

Type: Declare

Proposed by: North of Americas

he Security Council,

Defining for the purpose of this resolution, spamming as an act of flooding a region's message board with the intent of sending mass misguided or harmful messages with the intention of draw attention to oneself or cause.

Acknowledging that spamming is condemned unilaterally by all regions' leadership and governance structures.

Recognizing that all regions have diverse communities and noting that some spammers usually engage in hateful conversations that target such communities in real life.

Identifying, that other spammers may not engage in hate speech but may send mass messages on regional boards without context with dubious intent.

Realizing that some of these spammers simply get ejected and move to other regions or are given a pass for their actions.

This resolution hereby calls on regional governments to be strict in banning and ejecting spammers from their region.

This resolution also emphasize that ambassadors between regions inform their governments of spammers and major spamming events that occurred in their assigned region.

Approvals: 0

Status: LEGAL
Status: Lacking Support (requires 55 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 5 hours

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1626041989
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Postby Outer Sparta » Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:27 pm

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1626824307

Repeal: “Recognition Of The General Assembly”
A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.

Category: Repeal

Resolution: SC#359

Proposed by: MISTIKHAL

Security Council Resolution #359 “Recognition of the General Assembly” shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Let use gripe water for babies discomfort of their teeth.

Doesn't address target resolution, no operative clause, not written from WA perspective
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Postby Bears Armed » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:32 pm

Regional Control
A resolution to express a position on international affairs and obligations.

Category: Declaration

Type: Declare

Proposed by: Cama Talla

Aware that nations can govern and control their populations.
Recognizing that regions are for protection.
However noting that regions are the superior to nations and should have a hand in the nation’s government.
Concerned that a region is not a formal governing body and just a group of nations.
Hereby declares that regions may have a say in the governing and laws of their nation(s) and that regions are now a governing body.
Noted that a region or WA Delegate may abuse their power for evil and destroy a nation’s government and any act of violence or abuse will not be tolerated.

Approvals: 1 (Tinhampton)


1.e. _ Attempt at actual legislation in a Declaration?
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Postby Sedgistan » Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:13 pm

Yep, that one looks illegal.

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