American Politics Thread V: We're Just Biden Our Time ...

[San Lumen]

Many issues from that era are still prevalent today (corporations, lobbying, political corruption, unions, welfare, the environment, etc). You think we can't replicate the lessons of the past? The Democratic Party is not doing enough to boost activism at local and state level, as well as failing to concentrate on state and local elections. Such failure is fatal when you realize the states draw the political districts.


Obamacare, Dodd-Frank, 2009 Stimulus, CHIP, Paris climate agreement? The Obama presidency was significantly hampered by Republicans because Democrat voters got complacent in 2010 while the Tea Party galvanized Republican turnout. 2010 was also the census year, which allowed Republican-controlled states to gerrymander. https://www.npr.org/2016/03/04/46905202 ... -heres-why

If people can't even bother to vote in midterms, you think they can launch a revolution with you?

No it's because elections and non violent activism isn't doing the job to enact change.

Like I said, all that shit got reversed or had little to no good impact at large.

How about starting with local elections? What is the goal of your revolution?

Not all of it. I’m sorry no one has a magic wand to fix everything tomorrow.

[Picairn]

No it's because elections and non violent activism isn't doing the job to enact change.

Again, there has been no major revolution on US soil since 1789. Not even the turbulent 60s had any revolution on a large scale.

Like I said, all that shit got reversed or had little to no good impact at large.

Obamacare is still largely intact (save for the individual mandate). CHIP is still intact. We rejoined the Agreement.

[Dresderstan]

No it's because elections and non violent activism isn't doing the job to enact change.

Like I said, all that shit got reversed or had little to no good impact at large.

How about starting with local elections? What is the goal of your revolution?

Not all of it. I’m sorry no one has a magic wand to fix everything tomorrow.

Yes because local elections that have turnout in the 30s will change everything /s

And what has "free and fair elections" and "non violent activism" gotten us, nowhere.

[The Black Forrest]

How about starting with local elections? What is the goal of your revolution?

Not all of it. I’m sorry no one has a magic wand to fix everything tomorrow.

Yes because local elections that have turnout in the 30s will change everything /s

And what has "free and fair elections" and "non violent activism" gotten us, nowhere.

*shrugs* You have to sell your message better.

[Dresderstan]

No it's because elections and non violent activism isn't doing the job to enact change.

Again, there has been no major revolution on US soil since 1789. Not even the turbulent 60s had any revolution on a large scale.

Like I said, all that shit got reversed or had little to no good impact at large.

Obamacare is still largely intact (save for the individual mandate). CHIP is still intact. We rejoined the Agreement.

Convenient to just ignore the civil war entirely.

Useless as healthcare is still expensive as fuck, CHIP matters little, and too little too late to rejoin.

[San Lumen]

How about starting with local elections? What is the goal of your revolution?

Not all of it. I’m sorry no one has a magic wand to fix everything tomorrow.

Yes because local elections that have turnout in the 30s will change everything /s

And what has "free and fair elections" and "non violent activism" gotten us, nowhere.

How about getting more people to vote or selling your message better? Amazing concept I know.

Tell me what the goal of this Revolution is and you expect to get any support or sympathy once you enter the Capitol?

[Dresderstan]

Yes because local elections that have turnout in the 30s will change everything /s

And what has "free and fair elections" and "non violent activism" gotten us, nowhere.

How about getting more people to vote? Amazing concept I know.

Tell me what the goal of this Revolution is and you expect to get any support or sympathy once you enter the Capitol?

Yes because the solution is to get more people voting in a corrupt system. /s

You already know this.

[Kilobugya]

Convenient to just ignore the civil war entirely.

The civil war was actually an attempt at "violent revolution" (even if a reactionary, counter-revolution). And it failed. And it was at a time and situation where it had a much better chance of working than anything you could try in modern USA.

[Dresderstan]

Convenient to just ignore the civil war entirely.

The civil war was actually an attempt at "violent revolution" (even if a reactionary, counter-revolution). And it failed. And it was at a time and situation where it had a much better chance of working than anything you could try in modern USA.

It was still a violent revolution with over 600,000 men dead.

[The Black Forrest]

The civil war was actually an attempt at "violent revolution" (even if a reactionary, counter-revolution). And it failed. And it was at a time and situation where it had a much better chance of working than anything you could try in modern USA.

It was still a violent revolution with over 600,000 men dead.

Still; it wasn’t about the two party system.

[Kilobugya]

Yes because the solution is to get more people voting in a corrupt system. /s

It's not like there is the solution. Politics is a struggle of power, and in order to have your side prevail, you need to use more than one magical solution. You've to combine air and land and sea and espionage and propaganda and ... to win a war, the same way you've to combine methods to prevail in politics. If you do just voting, or just protesting, or just boycotting or ... you'll fail. And no, violence is not a part of it, for ethical reasons but also because it'll undermine nearly all the rest.

Then, yes, even in a "corrupt" system voting can change things. It makes it harder, but not impossible.

[San Lumen]

How about getting more people to vote? Amazing concept I know.

Tell me what the goal of this Revolution is and you expect to get any support or sympathy once you enter the Capitol?

Yes because the solution is to get more people voting in a corrupt system. /s

You already know this.

Corrupt because your candidates don’t always win? You yourself called California gerrymandered because Los Angeles had a large number of seats and called some districts too large showing you don’t understand population density.

You called your states elections unfair because the winner got less land area.

I don’t know what your goal is. You’ve yet to elaborate other than I want Revolution.

[Picairn]

Convenient to just ignore the civil war entirely.

Revolution for slavery. Yeah, good example. Aside from the fact that there was no mass revolt by the populace for a noble cause and it was more of the states seceding to preserve the institution of slavery, the result was total abolition of slavery, citizenship and voting rights for black people. The opposite of what the Southern states intended.

[Dresderstan]

Yes because the solution is to get more people voting in a corrupt system. /s

It's not like there is the solution. Politics is a struggle of power, and in order to have your side prevail, you need to use more than one magical solution. You've to combine air and land and sea and espionage and propaganda and ... to win a war, the same way you've to combine methods to prevail in politics. If you do just voting, or just protesting, or just boycotting or ... you'll fail. And no, violence is not a part of it, for ethical reasons but also because it'll undermine nearly all the rest.

Then, yes, even in a "corrupt" system voting can change things. It makes it harder, but not impossible.

No it doesn't, if voting, and protesting doesn't work, violence is the only option and considering all that we've had for years the same non violence BS is not working.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Yes because the solution is to get more people voting in a corrupt system. /s

It's not like there is the solution. Politics is a struggle of power, and in order to have your side prevail, you need to use more than one magical solution. You've to combine air and land and sea and espionage and propaganda and ... to win a war, the same way you've to combine methods to prevail in politics. If you do just voting, or just protesting, or just boycotting or ... you'll fail. And no, violence is not a part of it, for ethical reasons but also because it'll undermine nearly all the rest.

Then, yes, even in a "corrupt" system voting can change things. It makes it harder, but not impossible.

It's like how as a socialist, I don't wanna live in a society where markets are a thing. But if I have to, I'm gonna use the money to the best of my abilities to help others. If it costs money to purchase food, we gotta buy food to give out to others who cannot. If it costs money to get representation in court, we gotta pool money to do that. Voting isn't perfect but I will say that sometimes you gotta vote, especially on a local level.

[Dresderstan]

Yes because the solution is to get more people voting in a corrupt system. /s

You already know this.

Corrupt because your candidates don’t always win? You yourself called California gerrymandered because Los Angeles had a large number of seats and called some districts too large showing you don’t understand population density.

You called your states elections unfair because the winner got less land area.

I don’t know what your goal is. You’ve yet to elaborate other than I want Revolution.

Stop lying and get over yourself.

[The Black Forrest]

It's not like there is the solution. Politics is a struggle of power, and in order to have your side prevail, you need to use more than one magical solution. You've to combine air and land and sea and espionage and propaganda and ... to win a war, the same way you've to combine methods to prevail in politics. If you do just voting, or just protesting, or just boycotting or ... you'll fail. And no, violence is not a part of it, for ethical reasons but also because it'll undermine nearly all the rest.

Then, yes, even in a "corrupt" system voting can change things. It makes it harder, but not impossible.

No it doesn't, if voting, and protesting doesn't work, violence is the only option and considering all that we've had for years the same non violence BS is not working.

Wake me when the revolution is over.

[Picairn]

It's like how as a socialist, I don't wanna live in a society where markets are a thing. But if I have to, I'm gonna use the money to the best of my abilities to help others. If it costs money to purchase food, we gotta buy food to give out to others who cannot. If it costs money to get representation in court, we gotta pool money to do that. Voting isn't perfect but I will say that sometimes you gotta vote, especially on a local level.

The Democratic Party is not focusing enough on local and state elections. Socialist grassroot movements are helping but still insufficient on a strategic level.

[San Lumen]

It's like how as a socialist, I don't wanna live in a society where markets are a thing. But if I have to, I'm gonna use the money to the best of my abilities to help others. If it costs money to purchase food, we gotta buy food to give out to others who cannot. If it costs money to get representation in court, we gotta pool money to do that. Voting isn't perfect but I will say that sometimes you gotta vote, especially on a local level.

The Democratic Party is not focusing enough on local and state elections. Socialist grassroot movements are helping but still insufficient on a strategic level.

They have begun to focus on it more.

[Tarsonis]

Again, there has been no major revolution on US soil since 1789. Not even the turbulent 60s had any revolution on a large scale.


Obamacare is still largely intact (save for the individual mandate). CHIP is still intact. We rejoined the Agreement.

Convenient to just ignore the civil war entirely.

Useless as healthcare is still expensive as fuck, CHIP matters little, and too little too late to rejoin.

Civil War was a failed revolution. Hence why it's called the Civil War and not the Confederate Revolution.

[San Lumen]

Corrupt because your candidates don’t always win? You yourself called California gerrymandered because Los Angeles had a large number of seats and called some districts too large showing you don’t understand population density.

You called your states elections unfair because the winner got less land area.

I don’t know what your goal is. You’ve yet to elaborate other than I want Revolution.

Stop lying and get over yourself.

you said it and your denying your own words

[Dresderstan]

Stop lying and get over yourself.

you said it and your denying your own words

[Tarsonis]

No it doesn't, if voting, and protesting doesn't work, violence is the only option and considering all that we've had for years the same non violence BS is not working.

Wake me when the revolution is over.

set your alarm clocks for October 1st

[Tarsonis]

Corrupt because your candidates don’t always win? You yourself called California gerrymandered because Los Angeles had a large number of seats and called some districts too large showing you don’t understand population density.

You called your states elections unfair because the winner got less land area.

I don’t know what your goal is. You’ve yet to elaborate other than I want Revolution.

Stop lying and get over yourself.

you first

[San Lumen]

you said it and your denying your own words

You therefore deny you ever said it? You also said that it was unfair that Ontario got the most seats in the Canadian parliament or are you going to deny that too?