by CFN Mandate of Southeast Asia » Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:42 am
by Salus Maior » Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:46 am
by CFN Mandate of Southeast Asia » Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:48 am
Salus Maior wrote:I think the issues of a command economy are pretty evident.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:23 am
by Salus Maior » Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:24 am
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:But basically, imagine a continent with many small villages or towns on it run by a democratic council of citizens.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:31 am
by Ifreann » Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:37 am
CFN Mandate of Southeast Asia wrote: I don't get how a classless, stateless society might look like in practice.
What does it mean for the state to simply wither away? Even assuming that is possible, a) I don't get how the system of economics might look like for central planning without government, and b) won't this power vacuum simply lead to other groups simply filling in and taking over?
What does the sentence "to each person according to his need" mean in practice? Who defines this need,
who gets to choose which people work in which area,
and who gets to be in control of the means of production (I know it's the workers, but what does this look like in practice)?
The second thing I have with communism is that I think the road to getting there, while paved with good intentions, can lead to authoritarian states like those of China or the Soviet Union. By letting the government have complete economic power in the transitioning stages, doesn't it make it easier for the state to dictate which groups of people are and are not allocated resources and therefore open up greater possibilities of totalitarianism? I know this might not be the case 100 percent of the time, but from what we can gleam from Venezuela (where I'm not saying the problem is directly with socialism, but more of the fact that socialism created the environment for the corrupt rule of Maduro), China (former Maoist stronghold turned fascist state in my eyes), and the Soviet Union (which was not as authoritarian towards the final years but still more authoritarian than liberal democracies), and other communist states like Cuba...I think the trend is not coincidental.
by Kubra » Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:56 am
In 19th and early 20th usage, "state" was often used more to refer to the coercive institutions of government, rather than the administrative. Look at any prominent anarchist org and you'll notice plenty of committee's, treasurer's, departmental secretaries, so on and so forth.CFN Mandate of Southeast Asia wrote:I don't get how the system of economics might look like for central planning without government, and b) won't this power vacuum simply lead to other groups simply filling in and taking over?
by Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:07 am
by Lady Victory » Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:23 am
by Ifreann » Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:27 am
Lady Victory wrote:The pursuit of Communism can be equated to running on a treadmill in order to get to the market: it doesn't matter how fast you run, you're still not going anywhere.
by Lady Victory » Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:29 am
by Greater Cesnica » Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:32 am
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
by Enjuku » Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:32 am
abundance led to hoarding resources --> hoarding resources led to class systems --> class systems led to cycles of oppression and struggle.
by Northern Connecticut » Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:33 am
by Ifreann » Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:35 am
by Greater Cesnica » Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:35 am
Northern Connecticut wrote:Communism is bad in my opinion for these reasons.
1. It does not make everyone's life better by raising them up, it pulls everyone down.
2. The government should not be allowed to take my money and property.
3. It paves the way for psychotic dictators like Stalin to take power.
4. A centrally planned economy is not as good as a free one, because, in the centrally planned economy, you have no choice in your job, and the best people for the job are not picked.
5. Did I say that the government should not be allowed to steal from its citizens? Well, let me say it again.
6. Soviet Russia did NOT have progressive social policies.
7. Communist countries just become police states 99.9 percent of the time.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
by Kilobugya » Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:36 am
by Kubra » Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:38 am
This one is actually really complicated, at least if we're talking about the Soviet Union.Northern Connecticut wrote:4. A centrally planned economy is not as good as a free one, because, in the centrally planned economy, you have no choice in your job, and the best people for the job are not picked.
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:38 am
by Greater Cesnica » Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:39 am
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:If everyone was self-employed selling their services in the gig economy, is that closer to communism, or further away?
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
by Northern Connecticut » Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:41 am
Greater Cesnica wrote:Northern Connecticut wrote:Communism is bad in my opinion for these reasons.
1. It does not make everyone's life better by raising them up, it pulls everyone down.
2. The government should not be allowed to take my money and property.
3. It paves the way for psychotic dictators like Stalin to take power.
4. A centrally planned economy is not as good as a free one, because, in the centrally planned economy, you have no choice in your job, and the best people for the job are not picked.
5. Did I say that the government should not be allowed to steal from its citizens? Well, let me say it again.
6. Soviet Russia did NOT have progressive social policies.
7. Communist countries just become police states 99.9 percent of the time.
1. [Citation needed]
2. The path towards communism can be paved without a coercive government.
3. Stalin was a right-winger in the context of the revolution and governed over what effectively became a state capitalist entity.
4. Communism entails a stateless and classless society. You're thinking of state socialism, which, again, is not necessary.
5. kek
6. Soviet Russia was not communist.
7. Name a communist country.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:42 am
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:If everyone was self-employed selling their services in the gig economy, is that closer to communism, or further away?
by Kilobugya » Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:42 am
Lady Victory wrote:A society in which the state, currency, and class (of any kind) have all been abolished simply isn't feasible and it's rather pointless to try. You'd have better luck negotiating with a hungry gator.
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