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Race is no longer an issue?

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Would you proceed with the Transformation?

Yes (let's turn absolutely everyone into a random single ethnic group)
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Race is no longer an issue?

Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat May 15, 2021 4:14 am

Please consider the following hypothetical:

A one-time magical option is enabled for you to magically and instantly change all of the world's population so that absolutely everyone appears physically like members of a single randomly chosen ethnic group.

The single ethnic group will be randomly chosen and the random outcome (with each and every ethnic group having a probability of selection directly proportional to how much of the total global population they currently make up) will only be revealed AFTER your choice to do... or not to do.

So one possibility... is that you choose to do the Transformation... and then suddenly all over the world, everyone looks like a Serb and you are surprised (because of course, you had no idea it was going to be the Serbs).

What do you say? Let's roll the dice? Or let's not?

If everyone looks "the same," then at the very least we would get rid of skin tone as a source of discrimination for now although it is possible humanity will re-invent a new system of discrimination... perhaps linguistically, religious, or surname-based? You'd get a new world. But would it be a better or worse world?

Let's speculate. And justify your decision to do the Transformation, or not to do it.

I'd go ahead and not do it, but mostly for reasons of aesthetics. I think humanity is more interesting when there's such a great variance in how people look all over the world. Also, my understanding is that even if the button is pressed, humanity would invent other systems of discrimination that are non race based.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat May 15, 2021 4:17 am

No because arbitrarily changing the entire worlds population to a single race is fucked up and would do nothing to reduce tension or hatred in the world. In fact it would probably cause more issues if everyone magically turned into one race overnight.
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Postby Adamede » Sat May 15, 2021 4:19 am

The modern concept of race is only a few centuries old. Humans have been hating each other for a lot longer than that.

Like most of your other threads this would be pointless.

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Postby Molopovia » Sat May 15, 2021 4:19 am

If, by random chance, the chosen race would be the Germans ("Aryans"), then turning everyone to this "superior race" overnight...

...let's just say, the Neo-Nazis will have a field day.
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Postby Valentine Z » Sat May 15, 2021 4:21 am

And here I thought we will be having F1 races on tracks that would not be DNF hell...
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Postby Nevertopia » Sat May 15, 2021 4:23 am

Please consider the following hypothetical:

Ethnicity X uses this as an excuse to further propagate a certain skin colors supposed racial superiority. And in their rabid hatred everyone must now decide if they are ethnic enough to be considered the true master race after everyone is transformed into this ethnicity.

So one possibility is indiscriminate genocide as a question of racial purebreed can be used as a dogwhistle to enact murder. Then suddenly all over the world everyone decides to attack non-racial potion conformist as a preemptive to keep the ethnicity "pure".

What do you say? Does rolling the dice not lead to the same conclusion regardless?

If everyone "looks" the same but Ethnicity X wants to prove that they are the most ethnic pureblooded how would that not lead to a new system of discrimination? Perhaps in the end this is the true face of racism, we really are all the same but we've gone out of our way to find insignificant differences from even as something as dumb as how wide your nose is. There was never any differences between the races and making us all "look" the same does nothing because our differences are already that superficial to begin with.
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Postby Resilient Acceleration » Sat May 15, 2021 4:23 am

Into what race, though? Sunscreen is sticky and unpleasant, ew. Living in a tropical region, I don't wanna start to be forced to use sunscreen on a daily basis due to a sudden collapse of my melanine concentration. Meaning that a randomized loot box = probably a bad deal.
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Sat May 15, 2021 4:30 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:If everyone looks "the same," then at the very least we would get rid of skin tone as a source of discrimination for now although it is possible humanity will re-invent a new system of discrimination... perhaps linguistically, religious, or surname-based?


Discrimination based on these wasn't already a thing?
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Sat May 15, 2021 4:31 am

No. Just no. Wtf

The Huskar Social Union wrote:No because arbitrarily changing the entire worlds population to a single race is fucked up and would do nothing to reduce tension or hatred in the world. In fact it would probably cause more issues if everyone magically turned into one race overnight.

This.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sat May 15, 2021 4:35 am

Original ethnic colour is best ethnic colour. The overnighters are subpar.

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Postby Apostate » Sat May 15, 2021 4:36 am

Serbia would have zero chance, they make up like 0 of the worlds population. Chinese and Indian “races” would be the most statistical outcome and both countries have a fairly long history of warfare based on other issues, some of which at least run along with race, like caste, class, status, tribe or dynasty.

Regardless others said it true, it would just shift to some other idiosyncratic thing, like height, weight, intelligence, eye color et al.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 15, 2021 4:37 am

It would obviously be unethical to change the appearance of almost everyone on Earth without their permission.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Sat May 15, 2021 4:39 am

Ifreann wrote:It would obviously be unethical to change the appearance of almost everyone on Earth without their permission.

Just imagine the amount of law suits.

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Postby Resilient Acceleration » Sat May 15, 2021 4:43 am

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It would obviously be unethical to change the appearance of almost everyone on Earth without their permission.

Just imagine the amount of law suits.

Against whom, the magical opportunity? Against me? I'll probably be ignored at most and declared insane at best if I start going around claiming that I'm the one responsible behind The Transformation.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Sat May 15, 2021 4:50 am

Resilient Acceleration wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:Just imagine the amount of law suits.

Against whom, the magical opportunity? Against me? I'll probably be ignored at most and declared insane at best if I start going around claiming that I'm the one responsible behind The Transformation.

......if the culprit is identified.

Though tbh you are right lmao.

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Postby Resilient Acceleration » Sat May 15, 2021 4:52 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:If everyone looks "the same," then at the very least we would get rid of skin tone as a source of discrimination for now although it is possible humanity will re-invent a new system of discrimination... perhaps linguistically, religious, or surname-based.

I mean like 33% of Germany died due to religious conflicts in the 1600's, not a racial one. Then the sectarian problem is nonexistent today, not because every province are converted into a single One True Faith through stacking modifiers in Missionary Strength, but because people apparently learned to accept that there are better stances to believe in than "Catholics/Protestants Bad".

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Postby Tyramon » Sat May 15, 2021 4:53 am

As others have said, this won't end discrimination, just change what it is most based on.

This is taking the easy way to solve a very complex problem. It would also lead to a slippery slope ending with everyone being exactly the same so that people don't hate each other for being different. Good intentions, but not a good strategy.

So no.

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Postby Kannap » Sat May 15, 2021 4:57 am

Ifreann wrote:It would obviously be unethical to change the appearance of almost everyone on Earth without their permission.


That's a common trend in IM's threads, it wouldn't be a hypothetical if IM weren't trying to get people to do something unethical and then act surprised when people don't do it.
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Postby Lady Victory » Sat May 15, 2021 4:57 am

I'd much rather transform everyone into a hot blue alien chick tbh.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat May 15, 2021 4:57 am

Resilient Acceleration wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:If everyone looks "the same," then at the very least we would get rid of skin tone as a source of discrimination for now although it is possible humanity will re-invent a new system of discrimination... perhaps linguistically, religious, or surname-based.

I mean like 33% of Germany died due to religious conflicts in the 1600's, not a racial one. Then the sectarian problem is nonexistent today, not because every province are converted into a single One True Faith through stacking modifiers in Missionary Strength, but because people apparently learned to accept that there are better stances to believe in than "Catholics/Protestants Bad".

IM's mind will be blown when he learns of Sectarianism.

Im sure he will make a hypothetical about it.
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Postby Valentine Z » Sat May 15, 2021 4:57 am

Also for the first time since ever that I get this political, I feel that this might get a little.... Master Race / Eugenics-ish, if you know what I mean.

So let's assume that I said "Yes", and everyone got the same skin colour, same amount of melanin, and that affects the genes too so safe to assume the next few generations will be covered. Then what happens if sometimes down in the far future, we got differences in skin tones again because of adaptation to purely Geographical conditions? Somewhen down the line, like maybe hundreds or thousands of years, we are totally going to get yet another slew of discrimination as people will start going after those who does not have the same skin tone as the rest for thousands of years.

So... In short, ahh, nope. Love and embrace the differences of one another, and skin colour serves people biologically, other than just the usual politics that I frankly don't want to touch too much.
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Postby Lady Victory » Sat May 15, 2021 4:58 am

Kannap wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It would obviously be unethical to change the appearance of almost everyone on Earth without their permission.


That's a common trend in IM's threads, it wouldn't be a hypothetical if IM weren't trying to get people to do something unethical and then act surprised when people don't do it.


Guys I'm starting to think IM might not be an ethical person... :unsure:
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat May 15, 2021 4:59 am

No but I will admit it would be funny if Richard Spencer woke up in the morning and looked in the mirror and was like "AAAAAAAAAAAAAH! HELP ME, I'M BLACK!"
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat May 15, 2021 5:00 am

Lady Victory wrote:
Kannap wrote:
That's a common trend in IM's threads, it wouldn't be a hypothetical if IM weren't trying to get people to do something unethical and then act surprised when people don't do it.


Guys I'm starting to think IM might not be an ethical person... :unsure:

He said he would hand his jewish wife over to the Gestapo in a hypothetical about living in Nazi Germany.

His reasoning was that they are the Law and he is a law abiding person or something like that.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Sat May 15, 2021 5:00 am

Kannap wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It would obviously be unethical to change the appearance of almost everyone on Earth without their permission.


That's a common trend in IM's threads, it wouldn't be a hypothetical if IM weren't trying to get people to do something unethical and then act surprised when people don't do it.

Should one make a trope of these? :p

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