[MEGATHREAD] Unusual Issue Effects

[The Star Enpire]

I got "#1,280 The Amazing, but Illegal, Spiderman" and picked the option to give citizenship to all illegal immigrants. Why did my government size increase? Various departments also seem to shrink for some reason.

[Aguaria Major]

Is income equality tied to rudeness?

After a prolonged period of the gradual lengthening of the gap between rich and poor citizens in my nation, I rapidly reversed that course.

But what also rapidly reversed course was my citizens' rudeness stat. I started paying attention to when it falls specifically, and noticed that it always seems to take a hit when income equality increases.

Are these 2 stats linked? And if so, why?

[Frei-Harz]

dilemma=1183

So this one...I can not believe I am saying or seeing this

In the Answer 1 there is a quip about her going shopping/resting for her period break
The answer 2 is to remove all concessions to women in the workplace which would be disastrous especially since it mentions pregnant or breastfeeding women
and Answer 3 is to disallow women to work office or hard labour jobs which is also extreme

All 3 answers are comicaly overexaggerated as usual

Choosing option 1 I see the MAIN thing affected by 200 points is the Retail industry
This is to imply that women, given the option to take a sickday off work for heavy flow, will primarily go shopping.
This is Sexist as fuck
Retail is PRIMARILY affected by this.

And I know this game is tongue in cheek but if all 3 options are this sexist (and I want to kinda sorta tongue in cheek roleplay out my decisions) I feel kinda violated in having taken part in this.
Because having a tongue in cheek to the extreme FLAVOURTEXT about how women use their sickleave to do generic women things (while still unbelievably sexist) is one thing having it genuinely affect my Country's balance because "Women do be liking to buy shoes tho" is kinda unpleasant.

[Phydios]

dilemma=1183

So this one...I can not believe I am saying or seeing this

In the Answer 1 there is a quip about her going shopping/resting for her period break
The answer 2 is to remove all concessions to women in the workplace which would be disastrous especially since it mentions pregnant or breastfeeding women
and Answer 3 is to disallow women to work office or hard labour jobs which is also extreme

All 3 answers are comicaly overexaggerated as usual

Choosing option 1 I see the MAIN thing affected by 200 points is the Retail industry
This is to imply that women, given the option to take a sickday off work for heavy flow, will primarily go shopping.
This is Sexist as fuck
Retail is PRIMARILY affected by this.

And I know this game is tongue in cheek but if all 3 options are this sexist (and I want to kinda sorta tongue in cheek roleplay out my decisions) I feel kinda violated in having taken part in this.
Because having a tongue in cheek to the extreme FLAVOURTEXT about how women use their sickleave to do generic women things (while still unbelievably sexist) is one thing having it genuinely affect my Country's balance because "Women do be liking to buy shoes tho" is kinda unpleasant.

Put the pitchfork down and read option 1 again.

"All female employees should have a right to paid menstrual leave for up to five days every month. Period. This way, instead of writhing in pain in our workplaces with little to no productivity, we can go shop — err, I mean, take a warm, relaxing shower and rest."

The real reason for this character requesting leave is right there in the issue. I'd even go so far as to say that she's lying about having intense . - someone who's really having painful cramps down there wouldn't want to be on their feet shopping.

[Toebeans]

The name of the nation that had this effect - Toebeans
The day that this effect was encountered - 14 May 2021 (Today)
The name of the issue, and if you know it, the number of the issue. - Issue #61 Should the Government Grant Estates and Titles of Nobility?

Option 4 - “A good day to thee, milord,” counters Augustus Cage, an amateur Medieval Faire actor dressed in period costume, “I would suggest that thou hasten thyself to spectate at the jousting competition this forenoon. Aye, quite a bout we have arrayed for thee this day. However, the whole affair could be much grander if only we received a few more gold crownes from the government. Aye, ‘twould be a grand tourney of knightly skill and courage indeed!”

Normally one of the effects of choosing this option for this issue is that it raises primitiveness, however in this case, it seems to have lowered it (even if by a tiny amount), which doesn't seem correct? screenshot has been provided here - https://i.imgur.com/VzrqjHU.png

[Valentine Z]

Is income equality tied to rudeness?

After a prolonged period of the gradual lengthening of the gap between rich and poor citizens in my nation, I rapidly reversed that course.

But what also rapidly reversed course was my citizens' rudeness stat. I started paying attention to when it falls specifically, and noticed that it always seems to take a hit when income equality increases.

Are these 2 stats linked? And if so, why?

A little late, but... here you go.

In short, ahh, not exactly. I mean, sure, there are some correlation, like how it's usually only the ones with large wealth gaps being the rudest, but it's not a hard/strong correlation.

[Dominions Pizza]

*Shakes fist loudly at the world as Pizza Delivery drops 3.4% to 9,061.52*

Issue 684, Murder Most Deniable, I choose the option to ban knives and forks.
Surely it's a winner for Pizza Delivery?
Cos you can eat pizza without knives and forks.
And you can slice pizza with a pizza wheel.
And you can make pizza without knives and forks.
Which means it should be a popular food if knives and forks get banned.

What am I missing to get this call so wrong?

Thanks!

[Fauxia]

*Shakes fist loudly at the world as Pizza Delivery drops 3.4% to 9,061.52*

Issue 684, Murder Most Deniable, I choose the option to ban knives and forks.
Surely it's a winner for Pizza Delivery?
Cos you can eat pizza without knives and forks.
And you can slice pizza with a pizza wheel.
And you can make pizza without knives and forks.
Which means it should be a popular food if knives and forks get banned.

What am I missing to get this call so wrong?

Thanks!

Industries are fickle stats, they're not that predictable. What I do know is that your pizza industry is already pretty large and it didn't fall by very much. It's possible that banning knives and forks has a small effect on the economy, or that ingredients for pizza are a complement in supply with some of the industries that suffer more (maybe less pepperoni and sausage because pork is less appetizing, for example).

I'm not an editor, but in general I find that those stats are pretty complicated, and a small effect isn't something to worry about.

[Aguaria Major]

Is income equality tied to rudeness?

After a prolonged period of the gradual lengthening of the gap between rich and poor citizens in my nation, I rapidly reversed that course.

But what also rapidly reversed course was my citizens' rudeness stat. I started paying attention to when it falls specifically, and noticed that it always seems to take a hit when income equality increases.

Are these 2 stats linked? And if so, why?

A little late, but... here you go.

In short, ahh, not exactly. I mean, sure, there are some correlation, like how it's usually only the ones with large wealth gaps being the rudest, but it's not a hard/strong correlation.

Strange.

I wonder why that correlation exists.

[Thaulandi]

In #161, I opted to abolish inheritance tax ("Inheritance tax has recently been abolished"), then Freedom From Taxation went down.

[Aguaria Major]

In #161, I opted to abolish inheritance tax ("Inheritance tax has recently been abolished"), then Freedom From Taxation went down.

To me that makes sense, as while your rich citizens aren't paying any tax on their inheritance anymore, your government has to tax the middle and working classes more in order to fill the gap in its coffers this would create. So while the top earners in your country pay less, most people in your nation will have to pay more, leading to a net increase in taxation.

This is a common trend in real life when taxes on the rich are lowered, despite conservatives touting themselves as the wing of politics in favor of lower taxes overall. For example: my family (which collectively makes around $70,000/year) payed more under Trump's tax codes than under any other president since my parents bought their house.

[Merni]

Issue 1086 option 6 caused a 16 point increase in Environmental Beauty despite the effect line "Hordes of tourists are ruining the environment." Perhaps the effect line is at fault here, since the option is

6. “Hey man, we should, like, promote sustainable ecotourism,” insists Dylan, a tatty looking fellow who you swear just had a small creature rummaging around in his beard. “Our countryside is pretty cool, @@LEADER@@. The government should make laws to protect our forests and rivers, then those tourist dudes will come in swarms to marvel at Mother Nature’s creations man!”

[Aguaria Major]

Issue 1086 option 6 caused a 16 point increase in Environmental Beauty despite the effect line "Hordes of tourists are ruining the environment." Perhaps the effect line is at fault here, since the option is

6. “Hey man, we should, like, promote sustainable ecotourism,” insists Dylan, a tatty looking fellow who you swear just had a small creature rummaging around in his beard. “Our countryside is pretty cool, @@LEADER@@. The government should make laws to protect our forests and rivers, then those tourist dudes will come in swarms to marvel at Mother Nature’s creations man!”

The problem is indeed in the effect line and its inherent ridiculousness. You're protecting your rivers and forests, which is good for your environment overall.

Within US national parks, for instance, sometimes heavy tourism tends to have a small negative effect. But the alternative is opening the areas up to be destroyed completely by big agribusiness, or the mining and/or fossil fuel industries.

[Vak 1]

Option 1 on the sergeants are too nasty issue just increased my taxes on this nation from 11 % to 70 %. I'm sure that improving the living standards of soldiers will have some effect on taxation, but that one sounds a little extreme.

It also increased retail by 90000 %, but I imagine that's just because of how low the starting point was.

[Bears Armed]

A little late, but... here you go.

In short, ahh, not exactly. I mean, sure, there are some correlation, like how it's usually only the ones with large wealth gaps being the rudest, but it's not a hard/strong correlation.

Strange.

I wonder why that correlation exists.

The rich are more arrogant, and the poor are angrier?

[Islands Of Ventro]

Issue 201 stated in its option that pirates were plundering my Industry: Technology. (Which is a 1% badge for me) but when I picked the option that said it would stop the pirates by increasing the Navy size, my Industry: Technology decreased by about half a percent. Is this normal and if not should it be fixed?

[Bloody Buttered Blooming Onions]

So I have a weird result here. Got Issue 908 and chose option 1 (the "corrupt" option, or so I thought). Somehow my Integrity went up from 53.32 to 59.53. And my Corruption went down from 106.02 to 94.59. Eh? I get that my Corruption is pretty high already and Integrity pretty low, but that result still seems kinda off. Intentional or not?

[The Star Enpire]

I got "#1,280 The Amazing, but Illegal, Spiderman" and picked the option to give citizenship to all illegal immigrants. Why did my government size increase? Various departments also seem to shrink for some reason.

I don't think this was ever answered? Anyway, I have another question. Today I picked answer 3 on issue 624 "A Role to Play" on the Star Enpire. Why did my taxes drop when my government size increase? Thanks.

[The Ursine Northlands]

This nation, just now.
#1271 'Cathedrals Have Never Been Hotter'.
I chose option 2, rebuild the cathedral as it was before.
Among other effects, Primitiveness dropped: Shouldn't this choice, logically, have increased it [slightly] instead?
Was that just an unavoidable secondary effect?

[Furryz]

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=505783

^ Just take a look when you get a chance

[Lippoy]

Hi, I chose by mistake a result and would like to know if someone could help me to revert this, so

The name of the nation is Lippoy
It was encountered today, June 4th
The issue was the fourth ("Economic Collapse Looms!")

Thank you so much in advance!!

[Phydios]

Hi, I chose by mistake a result and would like to know if someone could help me to revert this, so

The name of the nation is Lippoy
It was encountered today, June 4th
The issue was the fourth ("Economic Collapse Looms!")

Thank you so much in advance!!

Undoing issue choices that you picked by mistake doesn't happen. Unexpected/unintended effects are part of the game. But if you want to prevent future misclicks, you can go to Settings and check the "Require confirmation" box.

[The Free Joy State]

So I have a weird result here. Got Issue 908 and chose option 1 (the "corrupt" option, or so I thought). Somehow my Integrity went up from 53.32 to 59.53. And my Corruption went down from 106.02 to 94.59. Eh? I get that my Corruption is pretty high already and Integrity pretty low, but that result still seems kinda off. Intentional or not?

Okay, here's what seems to have happened. A rise in corruption is intended and almost-always the result of that option. But one of the backstage stats was activated on this nation for the first time with this issue, which seems to have thrown off the results.

Afraid it comes under the tag of, "It happens."

This nation, just now.
#1271 'Cathedrals Have Never Been Hotter'.
I chose option 2, rebuild the cathedral as it was before.
Among other effects, Primitiveness dropped: Shouldn't this choice, logically, have increased it [slightly] instead?
Was that just an unavoidable secondary effect?

While primitiveness is a secondary effect, worth saying it is technically possible to have high religiousness and low primitiveness in the game.

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=505783

^ Just take a look when you get a chance

Afraid the corruption here is also an unavoidable secondary side effect. Basically, there are stats present in the issue -- correctly -- that can interact with your own nation and lead to a small rise in corruption.

The issue is working as intended.

[Ceruleus]

I just passed a law eliminating tax deductions (as per the third option of "Friends with Tax Benefits") and my levels of income equality dropped by 10%.

Shouldn't the removal of the ability to exploit tax loopholes mean the rich would ultimately end up paying more?

[Merni]

Why does issue 1088 option 1 result in an increase in corruption?