[SUBMITTED] More Skin Please

by **Baggieland** » Tue May 11, 2021 8:54 pm

My latest offering.

by **Daarwyrth** » Wed May 12, 2021 4:10 am

Very interesting idea and well executed! One thing though:

No option to grow skin in vats, or the more ethically dubious option for using the skin of clones? I'd imagine nations with high tech, the vats policy or "allows cloning" would have the capability for that

by **Laka Strolistandiler** » Wed May 12, 2021 4:16 am

I would agree with Daarwyth while also saying that such an option should be viable for nation with high technology levels.

by **Palcania** » Wed May 12, 2021 4:22 am

I fear nothing.

But that thing... It scares me

by **Laka Strolistandiler** » Wed May 12, 2021 4:33 am

On second thought... Maybe this should be excluded from classroom nations? Like, I don’t think that this is a theme that’ll be acceptable to be viewed by children...

by **Palcania** » Wed May 12, 2021 4:35 am

Kids should have this, actually idk any classroom things ngl.

by **Trotterdam** » Wed May 12, 2021 4:36 am

What makes this different from other issues about organ donation?

I guess you could argue that skin isn't technically an organ, but in practice the positions people are likely to suggest are more or less the same.

Option 3 seems like a non-sequitur. Sure, it's always better to prevent injuries rather than fix them (getting injuried is pretty painful and will inconvenience you for a while even if doctors CAN perfectly fix you in the long run), but that's never going to have a 100% success rate (and again, we already have more focused issues on fire prevention). The point here is what to do when prevention has failed.

by **Palcania** » Wed May 12, 2021 4:36 am

Your skin is your largest organ, sir.

by **Daarwyrth** » Wed May 12, 2021 4:45 am

Palcania wrote:Your skin is your largest organ, sir.

You don't need to increase the size of your text, or colour it if it isn't necessary. It's more disruptive than helpful

Trotterdam wrote:What makes this different from other issues about organ donation?

Organ donation would be the general subject issue, while this could easily be categorised as a niche on organ donation. We have multiple issues in the issue base that work in a similar manner: there's the general subject, and a niche.

by **Trotterdam** » Wed May 12, 2021 5:15 am

Daarwyrth wrote:We have multiple issues in the issue base that work in a similar manner: there's the general subject, and a niche.

That works when the niche invites specialized responses that are not applicable to the general case. None of the options here are new.

by **Baggieland** » Wed May 12, 2021 7:59 pm

Daarwyrth wrote:No option to grow skin in vats, or the more ethically dubious option for using the skin of clones? I'd imagine nations with high tech, the vats policy or "allows cloning" would have the capability for that

Thanks for your feedback. I contemplated your suggestion about including vat and clone nations into this issue, however, I believe that they don't really fit here. The whole issue evolves around the question of skin banks and skin donation. Vat and clone nations can just produce more skin, making the need for banks and donation a mute proposal.

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:On second thought... Maybe this should be excluded from classroom nations? Like, I don’t think that this is a theme that’ll be acceptable to be viewed by children...

While donation in general is not an adult topic, I do agree with you that this is a little more gory. Not sure if it should or shouldn't have the adult validity. We'll wait for an editor's opinion on that.

Trotterdam wrote:
Daarwyrth wrote:We have multiple issues in the issue base that work in a similar manner: there's the general subject, and a niche.
That works when the niche invites specialized responses that are not applicable to the general case. None of the options here are new.

Do we have options from the other donation issues that propose lung banks or heart banks? I think not. I agree with Daarwyrth that this issue is niche enough. Also, skin donation / skin banks is something very few of us know about.

Trotterdam wrote:The point here is what to do when prevention has failed.

I'm definitely looking to improve option 3. I'll see what I can come up with.

by **Daarwyrth** » Thu May 13, 2021 1:48 am

Baggieland wrote:Thanks for your feedback. I contemplated your suggestion about including vat and clone nations into this issue, however, I believe that they don't really fit here. The whole issue evolves around the question of skin banks and skin donation. Vat and clone nations can just produce more skin, making the need for banks and donation a mute proposal.

A valid point! Although, it might be worth considering in that case whether not to exclude them in the validity. I could imagine a nation with vats for example or one that chose that one option to grow body parts and organs in vats to be like "Huh? How is this an issue, I can grow this in vats". Although I guess the "not too great health spending" also kinda fits that category, now that I think of it.

by **Baggieland** » Thu May 13, 2021 8:17 pm

Daarwyrth wrote:it might be worth considering in that case whether not to exclude them in the validity

Included in validity now.

Baggieland wrote:I'm definitely looking to improve option 3

I've had a go at redoing option 3.

Second draft is up!

by **Trotterdam** » Fri May 14, 2021 4:00 am

Baggieland wrote:Do we have options from the other donation issues that propose lung banks or heart banks? I think not.

But your options don't concern the logistics of building or maintaining skin banks. They're just about where you'll be getting the skin that you put in the banks (voluntary donations, compulsory harvesting). The fact that you're aiming for long-term storage is completely ignored by the narrative.

by **Baggieland** » Fri May 14, 2021 5:16 am

Trotterdam wrote:But your options don't concern the logistics of building or maintaining skin banks. They're just about where you'll be getting the skin that you put in the banks (voluntary donations, compulsory harvesting). The fact that you're aiming for long-term storage is completely ignored by the narrative

Umm??? Since when has every minor detail been requisite in getting an issue published? If I write an issue about WMDs must I include where they'll be stored, how they'll be maintained, etc? All WMDs issues just say do you want them? If I write an issue about the need for more police, must I include where the training academy will be built or what facilities it will have? All extra police issues just say do you want more police? I don't recall any previous issues where the options have gone so deep.

by **Baggieland** » Mon May 17, 2021 3:32 am

2nd page bump.

Any other comments on this one?

by **Baggieland** » Sun May 23, 2021 1:40 am

Final bump.

by **Australian rePublic** » Sat May 29, 2021 3:51 am

A skin bank in every major city? That's fine for small and large populated countries, but until you get somewhere like Australia or Canada, it could hundreds of kilometres before you reach a major city. Even in China, there are major cities in the east whilst the west is almost desolate. I don't think that major cities is a good measure of where skin banks should be

by **Baggieland** » Sun May 30, 2021 8:48 pm

Thanks Aussie, however, small towns in the aussie outback probably don't have the facilities to maintain such places. Outback burn victims could be airlifted to major cities - not as much a hassle as flying them overseas. Remember the validity is for nations with low health spending.

Anyway, I've gone ahead and submitted this.

by **Australian rePublic** » Mon May 31, 2021 6:53 am

Good luck

by **Baggieland** » Mon May 31, 2021 6:54 pm

Australian rePublic wrote:Good luck

Thanks!

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