by The Sovereign Realist State » Mon May 10, 2021 1:32 pm
by Lady Victory » Mon May 10, 2021 1:35 pm
by GuessTheAltAccount » Mon May 10, 2021 1:41 pm
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by Shofercia » Mon May 10, 2021 1:41 pm
The Sovereign Realist State wrote:(not sure if already posted)
One Mosque Built, One Christian Monument Destroyed Every Two Weeks In "Modern France".
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news ... -two-weeks
"One religious building is disappearing in France every two weeks.
That is the conclusion of Edouard de Lamaze, president of the Observatoire du patrimoine religieux (Observatory of Religious Heritage) in Paris.
He is raising the alarm in the French media about the gradual disappearance of religious edifices in a country known as the “eldest daughter of the Church” because the Frankish King Clovis I embraced Catholicism in 496.
Lamaze’s appeal for increased awareness came after a fire destroyed the 16th-century Church of Saint-Pierre in Romilly-la-Puthenaye, Normandy, northern France. The fire, deemed accidental, took place on April 15, exactly two years after the blaze that devastated Notre-Dame Cathedral in Paris.
...
Lamaze told CNA in an interview that in addition to one religious building disappearing every two weeks -- by demolition, transformation, destruction by fire, or collapse -- two-thirds of fires in religious buildings are due to arson.
“Although Catholic monuments are still ahead, one mosque is erected every 15 days in France, while one Christian building is destroyed at the same pace,” Lamaze said. “It creates a tipping point on the territory that should be taken into account.”"
A lot of those 'accidental' fires going around lately in France.
Such a drag that all the targeted vandalism seems to affect christian iconography and spare muslim.
Coincidences, coincidences...
by Vassenor » Mon May 10, 2021 1:44 pm
The Sovereign Realist State wrote:(not sure if already posted)
One Mosque Built, One Christian Monument Destroyed Every Two Weeks In "Modern France".
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news ... -two-weeks
"One religious building is disappearing in France every two weeks.
That is the conclusion of Edouard de Lamaze, president of the Observatoire du patrimoine religieux (Observatory of Religious Heritage) in Paris.
He is raising the alarm in the French media about the gradual disappearance of religious edifices in a country known as the “eldest daughter of the Church” because the Frankish King Clovis I embraced Catholicism in 496.
Lamaze’s appeal for increased awareness came after a fire destroyed the 16th-century Church of Saint-Pierre in Romilly-la-Puthenaye, Normandy, northern France. The fire, deemed accidental, took place on April 15, exactly two years after the blaze that devastated Notre-Dame Cathedral in Paris.
...
Lamaze told CNA in an interview that in addition to one religious building disappearing every two weeks -- by demolition, transformation, destruction by fire, or collapse -- two-thirds of fires in religious buildings are due to arson.
“Although Catholic monuments are still ahead, one mosque is erected every 15 days in France, while one Christian building is destroyed at the same pace,” Lamaze said. “It creates a tipping point on the territory that should be taken into account.”"
A lot of those 'accidental' fires going around lately in France.
Such a drag that all the targeted vandalism seems to affect christian iconography and spare muslim.
Coincidences, coincidences...
by Lady Victory » Mon May 10, 2021 1:45 pm
Vassenor wrote:The Sovereign Realist State wrote:(not sure if already posted)
One Mosque Built, One Christian Monument Destroyed Every Two Weeks In "Modern France".
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news ... -two-weeks
"One religious building is disappearing in France every two weeks.
That is the conclusion of Edouard de Lamaze, president of the Observatoire du patrimoine religieux (Observatory of Religious Heritage) in Paris.
He is raising the alarm in the French media about the gradual disappearance of religious edifices in a country known as the “eldest daughter of the Church” because the Frankish King Clovis I embraced Catholicism in 496.
Lamaze’s appeal for increased awareness came after a fire destroyed the 16th-century Church of Saint-Pierre in Romilly-la-Puthenaye, Normandy, northern France. The fire, deemed accidental, took place on April 15, exactly two years after the blaze that devastated Notre-Dame Cathedral in Paris.
...
Lamaze told CNA in an interview that in addition to one religious building disappearing every two weeks -- by demolition, transformation, destruction by fire, or collapse -- two-thirds of fires in religious buildings are due to arson.
“Although Catholic monuments are still ahead, one mosque is erected every 15 days in France, while one Christian building is destroyed at the same pace,” Lamaze said. “It creates a tipping point on the territory that should be taken into account.”"
A lot of those 'accidental' fires going around lately in France.
Such a drag that all the targeted vandalism seems to affect christian iconography and spare muslim.
Coincidences, coincidences...
So your evidence for vandalism rather than accident is what, exactly?
by Nilokeras » Mon May 10, 2021 1:49 pm
by Sword Island » Mon May 10, 2021 1:49 pm
Vassenor wrote:The Sovereign Realist State wrote:(not sure if already posted)
One Mosque Built, One Christian Monument Destroyed Every Two Weeks In "Modern France".
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news ... -two-weeks
"One religious building is disappearing in France every two weeks.
That is the conclusion of Edouard de Lamaze, president of the Observatoire du patrimoine religieux (Observatory of Religious Heritage) in Paris.
He is raising the alarm in the French media about the gradual disappearance of religious edifices in a country known as the “eldest daughter of the Church” because the Frankish King Clovis I embraced Catholicism in 496.
Lamaze’s appeal for increased awareness came after a fire destroyed the 16th-century Church of Saint-Pierre in Romilly-la-Puthenaye, Normandy, northern France. The fire, deemed accidental, took place on April 15, exactly two years after the blaze that devastated Notre-Dame Cathedral in Paris.
...
Lamaze told CNA in an interview that in addition to one religious building disappearing every two weeks -- by demolition, transformation, destruction by fire, or collapse -- two-thirds of fires in religious buildings are due to arson.
“Although Catholic monuments are still ahead, one mosque is erected every 15 days in France, while one Christian building is destroyed at the same pace,” Lamaze said. “It creates a tipping point on the territory that should be taken into account.”"
A lot of those 'accidental' fires going around lately in France.
Such a drag that all the targeted vandalism seems to affect christian iconography and spare muslim.
Coincidences, coincidences...
So your evidence for vandalism rather than accident is what, exactly?
by National Capitalist United States » Mon May 10, 2021 1:50 pm
by Kowani » Mon May 10, 2021 1:51 pm
by Lady Victory » Mon May 10, 2021 1:51 pm
Nilokeras wrote:Quite the reach OP. Couldn't possibly have to do with the fact that the majority of the churches that fall victim to vandalism are old and probably disused in depopulated mostly Christian and white parts of France rather than some sinister plot by the Moslems.
It's a real shame since there's actually an interesting angle about how modern neoliberal governments habitually underfund the preservation of heritage buildings but you decided to go with the most boring angle possible.
by Lady Victory » Mon May 10, 2021 1:53 pm
Kowani wrote:It's very odd how the actual organization this guy works for, the Observatoire du Patrimoine Religieux does not actually have any analysis to back up this claim
In fact, searching their site for the word "mosquée" (mosque in french) doesn't come up with anyything more recent than 2013, and many of those don't even deal with France.
Hm
I wonder where this data came from
by New yugoslavaia » Mon May 10, 2021 1:54 pm
Lady Victory wrote:Nilokeras wrote:Quite the reach OP. Couldn't possibly have to do with the fact that the majority of the churches that fall victim to vandalism are old and probably disused in depopulated mostly Christian and white parts of France rather than some sinister plot by the Moslems.
It's a real shame since there's actually an interesting angle about how modern neoliberal governments habitually underfund the preservation of heritage buildings but you decided to go with the most boring angle possible.
But what about the weird foreigners!? They're so strange and different! Surely they must be up to something?
by Kowani » Mon May 10, 2021 1:55 pm
Nilokeras wrote:Quite the reach OP. Couldn't possibly have to do with the fact that the majority of the churches that fall victim to vandalism are old and probably disused in depopulated mostly Christian and white parts of France rather than some sinister plot by the Moslems.
It's a real shame since there's actually an interesting angle about how modern neoliberal governments habitually underfund the preservation of heritage buildings but you decided to go with the most boring angle possible.
Apart from the growing hostility to which they are subject, these religious sites are also suffering from deep negligence on the part of public authorities.
This state of affairs is partly explained by the fact that, by virtue of the 1905 law on the Separation of the Churches and the State, municipalities became the owners of France’s religious buildings. In many cases, they have been unable to meet the costs of maintaining the sites.
“These buildings have not been maintained for over a century, and they have never been subject to restoration work or protection measures against theft or fire,” Lamaze said.
He explained that only 15,000 Catholic sites are officially protected as historical monuments, while the other 30,000 buildings are practically left to decay.[...] He continued: “Fires are also sharply increasing because buildings are more and more dilapidated, and this negligence also attracts a lot of thefts of paintings, statues, or gold chalices...”
by The Huskar Social Union » Mon May 10, 2021 1:59 pm
Kowani wrote:Nilokeras wrote:Quite the reach OP. Couldn't possibly have to do with the fact that the majority of the churches that fall victim to vandalism are old and probably disused in depopulated mostly Christian and white parts of France rather than some sinister plot by the Moslems.
It's a real shame since there's actually an interesting angle about how modern neoliberal governments habitually underfund the preservation of heritage buildings but you decided to go with the most boring angle possible.
Ironically, that was in the OP's article
they just didn't choose to show us that bitApart from the growing hostility to which they are subject, these religious sites are also suffering from deep negligence on the part of public authorities.
This state of affairs is partly explained by the fact that, by virtue of the 1905 law on the Separation of the Churches and the State, municipalities became the owners of France’s religious buildings. In many cases, they have been unable to meet the costs of maintaining the sites.
“These buildings have not been maintained for over a century, and they have never been subject to restoration work or protection measures against theft or fire,” Lamaze said.
He explained that only 15,000 Catholic sites are officially protected as historical monuments, while the other 30,000 buildings are practically left to decay.[...] He continued: “Fires are also sharply increasing because buildings are more and more dilapidated, and this negligence also attracts a lot of thefts of paintings, statues, or gold chalices...”
by Wink Wonk We Like Stonks » Mon May 10, 2021 2:00 pm
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by Nilokeras » Mon May 10, 2021 2:00 pm
Kowani wrote:Nilokeras wrote:Quite the reach OP. Couldn't possibly have to do with the fact that the majority of the churches that fall victim to vandalism are old and probably disused in depopulated mostly Christian and white parts of France rather than some sinister plot by the Moslems.
It's a real shame since there's actually an interesting angle about how modern neoliberal governments habitually underfund the preservation of heritage buildings but you decided to go with the most boring angle possible.
Ironically, that was in the OP's article
they just didn't choose to show us that bitApart from the growing hostility to which they are subject, these religious sites are also suffering from deep negligence on the part of public authorities.
This state of affairs is partly explained by the fact that, by virtue of the 1905 law on the Separation of the Churches and the State, municipalities became the owners of France’s religious buildings. In many cases, they have been unable to meet the costs of maintaining the sites.
“These buildings have not been maintained for over a century, and they have never been subject to restoration work or protection measures against theft or fire,” Lamaze said.
He explained that only 15,000 Catholic sites are officially protected as historical monuments, while the other 30,000 buildings are practically left to decay.[...] He continued: “Fires are also sharply increasing because buildings are more and more dilapidated, and this negligence also attracts a lot of thefts of paintings, statues, or gold chalices...”
by Deacarsia » Mon May 10, 2021 2:01 pm
by Kubra » Mon May 10, 2021 2:02 pm
by Shofercia » Mon May 10, 2021 2:04 pm
Vassenor wrote:The Sovereign Realist State wrote:(not sure if already posted)
One Mosque Built, One Christian Monument Destroyed Every Two Weeks In "Modern France".
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news ... -two-weeks
"One religious building is disappearing in France every two weeks.
That is the conclusion of Edouard de Lamaze, president of the Observatoire du patrimoine religieux (Observatory of Religious Heritage) in Paris.
He is raising the alarm in the French media about the gradual disappearance of religious edifices in a country known as the “eldest daughter of the Church” because the Frankish King Clovis I embraced Catholicism in 496.
Lamaze’s appeal for increased awareness came after a fire destroyed the 16th-century Church of Saint-Pierre in Romilly-la-Puthenaye, Normandy, northern France. The fire, deemed accidental, took place on April 15, exactly two years after the blaze that devastated Notre-Dame Cathedral in Paris.
...
Lamaze told CNA in an interview that in addition to one religious building disappearing every two weeks -- by demolition, transformation, destruction by fire, or collapse -- two-thirds of fires in religious buildings are due to arson.
“Although Catholic monuments are still ahead, one mosque is erected every 15 days in France, while one Christian building is destroyed at the same pace,” Lamaze said. “It creates a tipping point on the territory that should be taken into account.”"
A lot of those 'accidental' fires going around lately in France.
Such a drag that all the targeted vandalism seems to affect christian iconography and spare muslim.
Coincidences, coincidences...
So your evidence for vandalism rather than accident is what, exactly?
Kowani wrote:It's very odd how the actual organization this guy works for, the Observatoire du Patrimoine Religieux does not actually have any analysis to back up this claim
In fact, searching their site for the word "mosquée" (mosque in french) doesn't come up with anyything more recent than 2013, and many of those don't even deal with France.
Hm
I wonder where this data came from
Lady Victory wrote:Kowani wrote:It's very odd how the actual organization this guy works for, the Observatoire du Patrimoine Religieux does not actually have any analysis to back up this claim
In fact, searching their site for the word "mosquée" (mosque in french) doesn't come up with anyything more recent than 2013, and many of those don't even deal with France.
Hm
I wonder where this data came from
I can tell you where it smells like it came from if you like...
Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:interesting fake-sounding-statement, but more importantly, how many guillotines are built and palaces vandalized in modern france?
even if this was true, certainly there are many more churches than mosques in france? title seems misleading.
by SKM » Mon May 10, 2021 2:05 pm
Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:interesting fake-sounding-statement, but more importantly, how many guillotines are built and palaces vandalized in modern france?
even if this was true, certainly there are many more churches than mosques in france? title seems misleading.
by Maineiacs » Mon May 10, 2021 2:07 pm
Kowani wrote:It's very odd how the actual organization this guy works for, the Observatoire du Patrimoine Religieux does not actually have any analysis to back up this claim
In fact, searching their site for the word "mosquée" (mosque in french) doesn't come up with anyything more recent than 2013, and many of those don't even deal with France.
Hm
I wonder where this data came from
by Insaanistan » Mon May 10, 2021 2:08 pm
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