[SUBMITTED] Your Purple Clashes With My Red

[Daarwyrth]

CURRENT DRAFT:

[Title] Your Purple Clashes With My Red

[Validity] Has just installed Socialism, Has Monarchy

[Description] All workers of @@NAME@@ have united, at last, and seized the means of production! Yet in the throes of socialist ecstasy, it seems no one bothered to invite the reigning monarch off the throne, or equalise the royal family out of their palaces.

[Option 1] An emboldened @@DEMONYM@@ climbs atop your desk and raises @@HIS@@ hammer and sickle triumphantly into the air. "LONG LIVE THE REVOLUTION! We can't rest until we have rooted out every single influence of the old way," with the whites of @@HIS@@ eyes visible, @@HE@@ makes a slitting motion along @@HIS@@ neck. "It's high time the royal family went in for a little trim..."

[Effect 1] the blood of the royals was red after all

[Option 2] After the revolutionary was escorted out of your office, one of your aides steps forward and rips off his moustache, revealing himself as Prince @@RANDOMFIRSTNAME@@. "Phew, I-uh, yes, greetings," he stammers. "All I wanted to say is that you don't need to get rid of us. Our family has always been a national symbol for our people to rally behind, why couldn't it be for a socialist @@NAME@@? After all, new realities are easier to accept if they're introduced by someone familiar. Keep our royal status as is, and we'll gladly sing to your red tunes, instead of our purple ones."

[Effect 2] factory workers finally live like kings these days

[Option 3] "Huh, yes, yes, a national symbol to rally behind is a good idea," nods your newly instated Minister of Communal Thought, while shoving the prince out the door. "But we most certainly need to lose the monarchist tones. It is time we portrayed you as the Great Parent of @@NAME@@, because like a father or mother, you'll raise our nation to be good, obedient socialists. We'll have the media pick up our song of your praise, and before you know it, everyone in our glorious, socialist paradise will proudly see you as their third parent!"

[Effect 3] children frequently use "but @@LEADER@@ said it was okay" as an excuse to get their way

DRAFT 1:

[Title] Your Purple Clashes With My Red

[Validity] Has just installed Socialism, Has Monarchy

[Description] All workers of @@NAME@@ have united, at last, and seized the means of production! Yet in the throws of socialist ecstasy, it seems no one bothered to invite the reigning monarch off the throne, or equalise the royal family out of their palaces.

[Option 1] An emboldened @@DEMONYM@@ climbs atop your desk and raises @@HIS@@ hammer and sickle triumphantly into the air. "LONG LIVE THE REVOLUTION! We can't rest until we have rooted out every single influence of the old way," with the whites of @@HIS@@ eyes visible, @@HE@@ makes a slitting motion along @@HIS@@ neck. "It's high time the royal family went in for a little trim..."

[Effect 1] the blood of the royals was red after all

[Option 2] After the revolutionary was escorted out of your office, one of your aides steps forward and rips off his moustache, revealing himself as Prince @@RANDOMFIRSTNAME@@. "Phew, I-uh, yes, greetings," he stammers. "All I wanted to say is that you don't need to get rid of us. Our family has always been a national symbol for our people to rally behind, why couldn't it be for a socialist @@NAME@@? After all, new realities are easier to accept if they're introduced by someone familiar. Keep our royal status as is, and we'll gladly sing to your red tunes, instead of our purple ones."

[Effect 2] factory workers finally live like kings these days

[Option 3] "Huh, yes, yes, a national symbol to rally behind is a good idea," nods your newly instated Minister of Communal Thought, while shoving the prince out the door. "But that someone needs to be you, @@LEADER@@. It is time we portrayed you as the Great Parent of @@NAME@@, because like a father or mother, you'll raise our nation to be good, obedient socialists. We'll have the parliament grant you more executive powers, and we'll have the media pick up our song of your praise. Before you know it, everyone in our glorious, socialist paradise will see you as their third parent!"

[Effect 3] children frequently use "but @@LEADER@@ said it was okay" as an excuse to get their way

[Daarwyrth]

I already see that option 3 will need to distinguish between nations that have Autocracy and those that don't, so I will fix that in the next draft

[Australian rePublic]

Why wouldn't you choose option 3? Even socialists need leaders

[Daarwyrth]

Why wouldn't you choose option 3? Even socialists need leaders

There is a leader in all 3 options? It’s simply a question of whether a monarchy remains intact under a socialist country. Seeing as how socialism doesn't exclude monarchism in terms of NS policies, it is possible to combine both, which is what this issue draft is meant to reflect. Option 1 is of course the abolition option, option 2 keeps the monarchy intact but in a socialist model, and option 3 essentially creates a personality cult around @@LEADER@@ while abolishing the monarchy.

Unless you mean that I should be more nuanced and vague regarding whether @@LEADER@@ is the monarch or not, then that would make more sense to me, yes.

[Palos Heights]

A pitfall that many issues get into, is associating socialism with communism. I personally see it as a failing in the education system and decades of anti-Soviet propoganda, but nevertheless, I digress. People who choose to let an AI run their economy automatically fall under "Socialist" tags for their nations, these aren't people who just executed a revolution in the name of the workers against the Bourgeoisie, these are people who wanted to let an AI optimize things. So you'll have to keep in mind that socialism often times, especially in modern times, involves the state subsidizing and offering resources and services for their people at little to no cost thanks to taxation; firefighters and police officers are socialist institutions, the mailman is a socialist institution, PBS is socialist.

Keep that in mind when writing issues like these because this issue seems more fitting for communist nations rather than socialist nations.

Also, plenty of monarchies exist in currently socialist countries, one of them just lost a prince after all.

[Daarwyrth]

A pitfall that many issues get into, is associating socialism with communism. I personally see it as a failing in the education system and decades of anti-Soviet propoganda, but nevertheless, I digress. People who choose to let an AI run their economy automatically fall under "Socialist" tags for their nations, these aren't people who just executed a revolution in the name of the workers against the Bourgeoisie, these are people who wanted to let an AI optimize things. So you'll have to keep in mind that socialism often times, especially in modern times, involves the state subsidizing and offering resources and services for their people at little to no cost thanks to taxation; firefighters and police officers are socialist institutions, the mailman is a socialist institution, PBS is socialist.

Keep that in mind when writing issues like these because this issue seems more fitting for communist nations rather than socialist nations.

Also, plenty of monarchies exist in currently socialist countries, one of them just lost a prince after all.

You make a very valid point and one that I agree with. I agree that I might have gone a little overboard with the communist angle though and I'm considering altering that angle in the next draft

[Trotterdam]

A pitfall that many issues get into, is associating socialism with communism.

Karl Marx considered the two terms synonymous.

So you'll have to keep in mind that socialism often times, especially in modern times, involves the state subsidizing and offering resources and services for their people at little to no cost thanks to taxation; firefighters and police officers are socialist institutions, the mailman is a socialist institution, PBS is socialist.

None of those qualify for the "Socialism" policy as NationStates uses it.

[Daarwyrth]

A pitfall that many issues get into, is associating socialism with communism.

Karl Marx considered the two terms synonymous.

So you'll have to keep in mind that socialism often times, especially in modern times, involves the state subsidizing and offering resources and services for their people at little to no cost thanks to taxation; firefighters and police officers are socialist institutions, the mailman is a socialist institution, PBS is socialist.

None of those qualify for the "Socialism" policy as NationStates uses it.

The issue draft has been written with the way NS approaches/views the subject of Socialism, yes.

[Daarwyrth]

I've put up a new draft that changes option 3 a little to fit both democracies and autocracies, but also to clarify what it intends to do a little bit more. I'm leaving the representation of communism/socialism as is, for now, but I am open to altering it in future drafts!

[Sunhizria]

If we talk about monarchy, I'm really interested.

I do find the idea of a conflict between monarchy and socialism, but I think it's contradictory to the situation where @@LEADER@@ is the monarch.

since often, Monarchy comes from #1157 Rodney and Julietta, option 5. , where leader just decides to become the king.


Also, Shouldn't you take into account the division between patriarchy and matriarchy? multiple issues on the same subject do this?

[Daarwyrth]

If we talk about monarchy, I'm really interested.

I do find the idea of a conflict between monarchy and socialism, but I think it's contradictory to the situation where @@LEADER@@ is the monarch.

since often, Monarchy comes from #1157 Rodney and Julietta, option 5. , where leader just decides to become the king.


Also, Shouldn't you take into account the division between patriarchy and matriarchy? multiple issues on the same subject do this?

When I wrote issue drafts on monarchy in the past, the general advice was to keep it ambiguous whether Leader is the monarch or not. It comes down to player autonomy, as in one nation - mine for example - Leader is the monarch. But in other nations Leader may be a Prime Minister, not the monarch. So, to keep that intact, the advice has always been to keep it vague.

In this issue I don't think a division is necessary. Because it's a member of the Royal House talking in Option 2, not the Crown Prince or Princess of the nation. In those cases it is customary to make a divide between matriarchy and patriarchy, but in this issue draft it would complicate things unnecessarily.

[Sunhizria]

I think that currently.
the Monarchy situation can be clear.

If you get the policy from Rodotto and Julietta, you choose to become the Monarch, it's even written in the issues that your cousin suggests you become the Monarch.
only two issues can give us the Monarchy policies

But, I believe the conflict between socialism and Monarchy, not just when the nation becomes socialist since the nation can be socialist from the start, from its creation.
I believe limiting such an issue to only a Monarchist nation that becomes socialist might not be a great idea.


I believe the easter egg: Zombie attack: is the only issue that might be limited to a certain time after a nation revived, but then again, it can be gotten from modifying your costume settings, so it is not a problem.

[Daarwyrth]

I think that currently.
the Monarchy situation can be clear.

If you get the policy from Rodotto and Julietta, you choose to become the Monarch, it's even written in the issues that your cousin suggests you become the Monarch.
only two issues can give us the Monarchy policies

But, I believe the conflict between socialism and Monarchy, not just when the nation becomes socialist since the nation can be socialist from the start, from its creation.
I believe limiting such an issue to only a Monarchist nation that becomes socialist might not be a great idea.


I believe the easter egg: Zombie attack: is the only issue that might be limited to a certain time after a nation revived, but then again, it can be gotten from modifying your costume settings, so it is not a problem.

I get where you're coming from, but I will follow the advice of the Editors to keep the monarchy question vague

The issue is very specifically targeted for nations that have the monarchy policy and became socialist along the way, not from the start. It is possible to have both the monarchy and socialism policies in NationStates, and I wanted to target that particular niche with this issue draft. To stick to realism, I felt it would have to be a very fresh and recent change to make sense, namely a nation just became socialist. As choosing the socialist policy doesn't remove monarchy automatically, I came up with this issue draft's premise and validity.

[Electrum]

re: discussion above -- Agree with Daarwyrth. Furthermore there is real life precedent of a socialist government using the former king's endorsement to gain support, and not only that, declared him head of state (for a short while anyways). Issue looks good, and the phrase "equalise the royal family out of their palaces" really made me laugh.

[Daarwyrth]

re: discussion above -- Agree with Daarwyrth. Furthermore there is real life precedent of a socialist government using the former king's endorsement to gain support, and not only that, declared him head of state (for a short while anyways). Issue looks good, and the phrase "equalise the royal family out of their palaces" really made me laugh.

Thanks, I'm really glad to hear that!

[Daarwyrth]

Moving this draft to last call! Final comments and feedback would be appreciated, and I'll be looking to submit this somewhere in the weekend most likely

[Candlewhisper Archive]

Not bad this issue.

Are the throws of socialist ecstacy some sort of orgasmically soft red velvet blankets?

Or do you perhaps mean "throes"?

[Daarwyrth]

Not bad this issue.

Are the throws of socialist ecstacy some sort of orgasmically soft red velvet blankets?

Or do you perhaps mean "throes"?

Thank you, and while I wouldn’t mind having some unimaginably soft red velvet blankets right now... "throes" was indeed the word I meant thanks for catching it!

[Daarwyrth]

The issue has been submitted! Thanks all for your commentary and feedback

[Australian rePublic]

Good luck