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by The Islands of Versilia » Wed May 05, 2021 1:47 am
by Page » Wed May 05, 2021 2:03 am
The Islands of Versilia wrote:The United States has failed nation building in Afghanistan, that is certain. That accursed state is destined to fall once more to the Taliban scum should US forces withdraw from the country. It is most unfortunate the Taliban haven’t been totally and completely annihilated, down to the last man.
Frankly, Pakistan needs to be forced to deal with its Imams like those who passed their doctrine onto the youths who would become the Taliban, as must Afghanistan and other Islamic-ruled countries, and the Afghani government must be supported in fighting those filth and cracking down on their sympathisers.
by Page » Wed May 05, 2021 2:08 am
by Coicantrost Terbi » Wed May 05, 2021 2:23 am
Page wrote:A question I'd like to pose: If we had a hyperintelligent AI that could predict the future and it told us that the Taliban can be defeated if we stay in Afghanistan another 20 years and spend a trillion dollars more, what would be the lesser evil, to do that, or to pull out now?
by The Huskar Social Union » Wed May 05, 2021 2:40 am
by Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 » Wed May 05, 2021 2:42 am
Coicantrost Terbi wrote:Page wrote:A question I'd like to pose: If we had a hyperintelligent AI that could predict the future and it told us that the Taliban can be defeated if we stay in Afghanistan another 20 years and spend a trillion dollars more, what would be the lesser evil, to do that, or to pull out now?
Obviously, the first thing we should do is delete that AI. If it is so smart to the point of allegedly being able to see into the future, then there is a good chance that it might be self-aware and trying to manipulate us into causing more damage to ourselves so that the extragalactic robot bounty hunters will have an easier time enslaving us.
by Jutlop » Wed May 05, 2021 2:52 am
Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 wrote:Page wrote:The Taliban could conquer Kabul today and even that shouldn't change the equation. The Afghanistan War costs trillions that can be used for health care, education, roads, trains, research, anything.
Lots of places are in the hands of bastards, but we're not fighting warlords in DR Congo, we're not fighting in Donbass. The world keeps turning.
It's the gambler's fallacy, sunk cost fallacy. We've invested 20 years and a trillion dollars and thousands of soldiers died, we can't stop now, it can't all be for nothing. Fallacy! What's gone is gone.
Counterpoint: Big bombs go BOOM and should be dropped. Healthcare? Education? Infrastructure? What are ya, a pinko communist shill for the Soviets? No we should instead bomb people into the stone age and cause the catalyst for one of the largest migration crises' in history, and then turn around and refuse to let these people in our blessed USA becausethey're brownthey're Muslimthey're potentially terrorists, ya big doofus
by Ethel mermania » Wed May 05, 2021 4:10 am
Outer Sparta wrote:The Reformed American Republic wrote:I used to be for this withdrawl but these attacks are opening me up to do a 180.
Yeah, that's the main problem looming over Afghanistan. While I want the US to withdraw and finally get out, these security threats with the Taliban are what's going to be the main obstacle to any long-term peace to the region.
by Mercatus » Wed May 05, 2021 4:19 am
by Suvadive Republic » Wed May 05, 2021 4:23 am
Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 wrote:Page wrote:The Taliban could conquer Kabul today and even that shouldn't change the equation. The Afghanistan War costs trillions that can be used for health care, education, roads, trains, research, anything.
Lots of places are in the hands of bastards, but we're not fighting warlords in DR Congo, we're not fighting in Donbass. The world keeps turning.
It's the gambler's fallacy, sunk cost fallacy. We've invested 20 years and a trillion dollars and thousands of soldiers died, we can't stop now, it can't all be for nothing. Fallacy! What's gone is gone.
Counterpoint: Big bombs go BOOM and should be dropped. Healthcare? Education? Infrastructure? What are ya, a pinko communist shill for the Soviets? No we should instead bomb people into the stone age and cause the catalyst for one of the largest migration crises' in history, and then turn around and refuse to let these people in our blessed USA becausethey're brownthey're Muslimthey're potentially terrorists, ya big doofus
by Comerciante » Wed May 05, 2021 4:39 am
by Ethel mermania » Wed May 05, 2021 5:32 am
Comerciante wrote:Isn't this something they always do when the US withdraws?
I believe someone once pointed out that the Taliban often launches attacks on US forces to make the appearance as though they were responsible in part for it regardless of their actual contributions.
We should already have known something like this was happening.
by Jutlop » Wed May 05, 2021 5:38 am
Ethel mermania wrote:Comerciante wrote:Isn't this something they always do when the US withdraws?
I believe someone once pointed out that the Taliban often launches attacks on US forces to make the appearance as though they were responsible in part for it regardless of their actual contributions.
We should already have known something like this was happening.
Especially when the moron in charge decides to leave on 9/11. The Taliban is going to claim victory on this historic date
by Just-An-Illusion » Wed May 05, 2021 5:45 am
by Jutlop » Wed May 05, 2021 5:50 am
Just-An-Illusion wrote:Wait the US is withdrawing on 9/11? Something tells me the families who lost loved ones during the attack won't be happy about the withdrawal date.
by Orostan » Wed May 05, 2021 5:54 am
Just-An-Illusion wrote:Wait the US is withdrawing on 9/11? Something tells me the families who lost loved ones during the attack won't be happy about the withdrawal date.
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.
Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:“To understand the man you have to know what was happening in the world when he was twenty.”
Cicero wrote:"In times of war, the laws fall silent"
by Just-An-Illusion » Wed May 05, 2021 5:55 am
by Orostan » Wed May 05, 2021 5:57 am
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.
Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:“To understand the man you have to know what was happening in the world when he was twenty.”
Cicero wrote:"In times of war, the laws fall silent"
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed May 05, 2021 6:01 am
by Just-An-Illusion » Wed May 05, 2021 6:01 am
by Empire of Asgadr » Wed May 05, 2021 6:02 am
by Risottia » Wed May 05, 2021 6:04 am
Just-An-Illusion wrote:Afghanistan faces an uncertain future...
by Ethel mermania » Wed May 05, 2021 6:05 am
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:The 20th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks was chosen deliberately to mark an end to the pointless loss of US lives in Afghanistan.
by Orostan » Wed May 05, 2021 6:07 am
Just-An-Illusion wrote:Orostan wrote:They didn't plan 9/11 and even offered to hand bin laden over to the USA. If you want to talk about a country with connections to Al-Qaeda, let's talk about Saudi Arabia.
I know that Saudi Arabia had connections to Al-Qaeda, so no need to discuss that. Do you mind showing me a source that said the Taliban were willing to hand over Bin Laden?
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.
Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:“To understand the man you have to know what was happening in the world when he was twenty.”
Cicero wrote:"In times of war, the laws fall silent"
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