Australian Political & Infrastructure Discussion Thread

[Australian rePublic]

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You mean when he's not bowing down and worshipping his gods in the ALP?

Not just the ALP.

Shooters & Fishers, other independent news outlets,
Future Super and Bank Australia.

ALP and Shooters & Fishers are polar opposites of the political world. How in the fudge can he possibly support both? They're contradictory

[Australian rePublic]

Australia is one of the world's worst over-regulated nanny states. My question is, why do we, as Australians, put up with that crap, and what can we realistically do about it?

[Roblox Crossroads]

Australia is one of the world's worst over-regulated nanny states. My question is, why do we, as Australians, put up with that crap, and what can we realistically do about it?

You could try a demonstration but its quite obvious Australians dont have rights. I shit you not if you do something to make a point how stupid a law is they just ban whatever you did

[Australian rePublic]

Australia is one of the world's worst over-regulated nanny states. My question is, why do we, as Australians, put up with that crap, and what can we realistically do about it?

You could start by recognizing that regulation is not equally stifling of individuals, in all different sectors. The ban on going nude for instance, infringes individual rights. A ban on selling horse meat as goat, however, barely restricts any individuals but mainly restricts businesses. No, it is not the same thing, unless you think a business has human rights.

"Nanny state theory" that considers all regulations to be equally stifling, free-rides the profit interests of companies on the interests of individuals in their own rights. Don't buy it.

I am aware. And I can still provide millions of examples of us being a nanny state

[Australian rePublic]

I am aware. And I can still provide millions of examples of us being a nanny state

You said "over-regulated nanny state" tho. Regulation is the word used for laws that are binding on business more than individuals. For individuals, the word is "laws".

Though sure, give examples if you wish.

NSW's laser pointer laws, most DIY work which is legal in most countries is illegal in Australia, many of our driving laws (in Victoria, you can get fined for going 2km/h over the speed limit), rules concerning electric scooters (you have to be older in Australia than in most other countries), minimum mandatory equipment required for boats, the fact that there are two stages of provisional driving licenses, etc.

Also, regulated does not necessarily=regulation. "regulate" (or its past tense, "regulated") in this context applies to both regulation and legislation (laws)

[Grenvolk]

I wonder how silent FirendlyJordies will remain about this

Also, just asking, but outside of being a fanboy of the ALP, Shooters, Fishers and Farmers, Bank Australia-ME Bank, Future Super, IA, Michael West Media, and Ecosia fanboy,
what is your opinion on Jordies? (again, outside of his political bent)

Outside of his politics? The thing that pretty much defines him to the public?
I think he's pretty funny. Probably fun to hang around. A bit arrogant, does 'self help' so you gotta have your head up your ass a bit there. Seems to be a bit brainwashed by Jordan Peterson who weirdly enough runs contrary to everything he believes in.

[Australian rePublic]

NSW's laser pointer laws, most DIY work which is legal in most countries is illegal in Australia, many of our driving laws (in Victoria, you can get fined for going 2km/h over the speed limit), rules concerning electric scooters (you have to be older in Australia than in most other countries), minimum mandatory equipment required for boats, the fact that there are two stages of provisional driving licenses, etc.

None of those are indefensible. I think you're just asking everyone else to take the same level of risk that is comfortable for you. If there was even one of those things where individual risk-taking didn't extend to a risk to others, then you'd have a point.

No. I'm asking Australia not to exceed the amount of legislation that exists in ALMOST EVERY OTHER FRICKEN COUNTRY ON THE PLANET

MAYBE the DIY thing. People should be forbidden to do their own electrical work, if only because sometimes they will do it anyway and they should not be allowed to get a free ride on house insurance.

If their own negligence starts a fire and burns down their own house, I'm not going to say "poor Joe lost his whole family in that fire, at least pay out the house insurance" because there has to be the same rule for Joe as for Ted, who may have deliberately burned down his own house for the money. Electrical faults being a common cause of house fires.

In every other country on the planet, people can change their own power points if they're wrecked for example, but who forbids forbids it. Come on, guess. Some states will allow you some rights to change power points, but others won't at all. These other countries don't have any more electrical deaths than Australia, apparently. NZ allows you to, and they have the same electrical system as us. NZ doesn't have any more deaths than we do. And the states which allow you to change your own power points to a limited degree don't have any more deaths than the states which don't, apparently

To a lesser extent, people working on their own sewers. You can have a lax attitude to that out in the country because the poop is unlikely to reach a neighbour's property. But in an apartment in the city, the poop might be seeping down someone's walls for days before they work out what "that smell" is. So you make one rule for all, and count on country people not calling the cops because it doesn't affect them. Or you can leave it to councils so a country council can deal with the detail of "one rule in town, another for the farmers" which isn't that controversial there.

But the one home maintenance DIY I might agree with you on, is water. If someone in a free standing house messes up changing a tap washer, wrecks some pannelling and carpets, there isn't necessarily a risk to anyone. Even family living in the same house. There MAY be, if they can't get the water out of the carpet and don't pull it up: mold can make people very sick. However I'd prefer people just know that, than trying to prevent the flooding in the first place. That could happen by the old "a knock on the door while running a bath" play. Using the example of apartments again, even neighbours could suffer water damage, and there is SOME risk to health, but it's mostly a matter of property damage which a self-respecting nanny state shouldn't care so much about.

Yes, we gotta draw the line somewhere. Australia draws the line in a completely different place to the rest of the world and isn't any safer because of it. He'll, the federal government even admits that DYI legislation in Australia is more over-zealous than other countries

I suppose the enforcement of speed limits even in places and times when speeding is entirely safe (to oneself and others) is "over-regulation" but consider the alternatives: all speed limits being variable depending of crowding and weather conditions? Giving police discretion to decide whose speeding is safe and whose is unsafe? Just not enforcing limits at all ... though this would be the most consistent "solution" it would also cause the most innocent deaths in the process of weeding out the fools who can't tell what is safe for them until their car goes airborne.

See, the thing is, idiots will excessively speed no matter what the law is. I have a public school in my street. There are hoons who go 150+ km/h in the school zone when the lights are flashing. They definitely should not be allowed to do that, and I have contacted the police about it multiple, multiple times to no avail. I'm not saying that people who do 150 in a school zone should get away with it. In fact, I would argue anyone who goes 40+ km over the limit should, on the first offence, be sentenced to community service in the morgues and hospitals of car crash victims. You should absolutely not be allowed to do 150+ in a 40 zone. But I'm not talking about that. What I'm talking about is doing 85 in an 80 zone. Why is Victoria one of the only jurisdictions that that needs to strictly and unrelentingly enforce this? If going 85 in an 80 zons is such a problem, the how come it's not a problem in any other state or territory, or in any other country? (At least I don't think it applies to any other state/territory. Don't quote me on that). Why is it an exclusively Victorian problem that applies nowhere else in Australia nor in the rest of the world? (Okay, so it might apply to other states/territories, I don't know, but it doesn't apply to every state/territory, so my point still stands) Can you see the difference between doing 85 in an 80 zone vs 150 in a school zone?

Also, regulated does not necessarily=regulation. "regulate" (or its past tense, "regulated") in this context applies to both regulation and legislation (laws)

And that is wrong, as I said. It is disrespectful of human rights, to imply that "rights to do business" are equal to them. I'd like if you didn't do that.

Okay, I meant to say "over-legislated" rather than "over-regulated". Please don't make this discussion overly semantic

[Grenvolk]

Bro I remember you from back in my 2016 days
aren't you an immigrant hospitality worker who unironically thinks right wing corporate oligarchs have your best interest at heart? Hows your life going? You might be able to get a better job than glorified hotel doorman if you spend less time on nationstates arguing why monarchs and people two hundred billion lifetimes of wealth away from you actually have any idea on how to make people like you's life better.

[Australian rePublic]

Bro I remember you from back in my 2016 days
aren't you an immigrant hospitality worker who unironically thinks right wing corporate oligarchs have your best interest at heart? Hows your life going? You might be able to get a better job than glorified hotel doorman if you spend less time on nationstates arguing why monarchs and people two hundred billion lifetimes of wealth away from you actually have any idea on how to make people like you's life better.

I did study hospitality, yes, but I've never, ever supported oligarchy, nor have I ever immigrated. I've always lived in Sydney. Always. I was born in Sydney too. Also, no, I don't work in hospitality. I'm self-employed delivery driver/courier, and I don't want a "better" job, I love my job too much and I'd rather be poor and happy than rich and miserable

[Anglomir]

Bro I remember you from back in my 2016 days
aren't you an immigrant hospitality worker who unironically thinks right wing corporate oligarchs have your best interest at heart? Hows your life going? You might be able to get a better job than glorified hotel doorman if you spend less time on nationstates arguing why monarchs and people two hundred billion lifetimes of wealth away from you actually have any idea on how to make people like you's life better.

A quick search of RePublic's posts tells me you're mistaking him for someone else. Not that posters with a single-digit post count making personal attacks on the OP and main poster of the thread, ever goes down well. There are better ways to demand attention ...

Oh, sorry, is this better? Forgive me for using a new puppet, oh mighty one.

And no, I was correct. He studied hospitality. He supports the Liberal Party, so he supports corrupt corporate oil oligarchs. He used to be a republican but became monarchist. I'm not being dismissive of those types of jobs, I'm pointing out that he is actively screwing himself in jobs like that by voting for a party who wants less support for low income.

[Australian rePublic]

A quick search of RePublic's posts tells me you're mistaking him for someone else. Not that posters with a single-digit post count making personal attacks on the OP and main poster of the thread, ever goes down well. There are better ways to demand attention ...

Oh, sorry, is this better? Forgive me for using a new puppet, oh mighty one.

And no, I was correct. He studied hospitality. He supports the Liberal Party, so he supports corrupt corporate oil oligarchs. He used to be a republican but became monarchist. I'm not being dismissive of those types of jobs, I'm pointing out that he is actively screwing himself in jobs like that by voting for a party who wants less support for low income.

I don't support everything that the LNP does either. Far from it. What I really hated about the ALP at the time was the really bad identity politics that they played. Also, I've studied business.

[Arisyan]

Well, since it appears no one else is gonna post it, Tasmania is holding a state election today. I have a feeling it's gonna end up almost identical to the previous one, Liberals keep their one-seat majority, and Labour loses a seat to the Greens I guess. Pretty uneventful I predict.

[Australian rePublic]

https://thewest.com.au/news/animals/nsw ... -c-2743772

Prisoners in Cooma Correctional Facility (Cooma being the largest town in the Snowy Mountains, NSW) are building boxes which will administer medication to sick wombats in the Snowy Mountains. The boxes are made from recycled materials, such as aluminum cans, It's good to see our recyclables going to good use. It's also good to see our prisoners being productive, which will help them in the outside world, when they're released. All around a good proposal! As long as they're not being exploited, that is. But I don't think they are, are they?

[Australian rePublic]

Well, since it appears no one else is gonna post it, Tasmania is holding a state election today. I have a feeling it's gonna end up almost identical to the previous one, Liberals keep their one-seat majority, and Labour loses a seat to the Greens I guess. Pretty uneventful I predict.

Perhaps. Perhaps, but Tasmania has become more left winged over the recent years, so we'll see how that pans out

[Arisyan]

Well, since it appears no one else is gonna post it, Tasmania is holding a state election today. I have a feeling it's gonna end up almost identical to the previous one, Liberals keep their one-seat majority, and Labour loses a seat to the Greens I guess. Pretty uneventful I predict.

Perhaps. Perhaps, but Tasmania has become more left winged over the recent years, so we'll see how that pans out

Nope, they get to remain in government. However, it appears two independents are poised to win seats as well, meaning that they could become kingmakers in forming a government. Also strangely, they are really, really slow at counting the votes. They're still at 83% counted. What....what happened?

[Perikuresu]

U think WA's gonna go more left-wing in the next few years? You know, judging from how the Liberals got buried under a f*cking avalanche and loosing most traditionally liberal seats + their grips loosening on the remaining seats they have and loosing the opposition to the Nationals

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

U think WA's gonna go more left-wing in the next few years? You know, judging from how the Liberals got buried under a f*cking avalanche and loosing most traditionally liberal seats + their grips loosening on the remaining seats they have and loosing the opposition to the Nationals

Federally? Hell, no.

Also, Scott M. attended a religious conference on the Gold Coast lately, and well....mmm. I'd spew my thoughts on it,
but I'm going to keep it short and sweet:

I have no problem with religion; I just think church and state should be two separate things.

[Arisyan]

U think WA's gonna go more left-wing in the next few years? You know, judging from how the Liberals got buried under a f*cking avalanche and loosing most traditionally liberal seats + their grips loosening on the remaining seats they have and loosing the opposition to the Nationals

Federally? Hell, no.

Also, Scott M. attended a religious conference on the Gold Coast lately, and well....mmm. I'd spew my thoughts on it,
but I'm going to keep it short and sweet:

I have no problem with religion; I just think church and state should be two separate things.

Western Australia has always been a confusing paradox of voting overwhelmingly Labor statewide, but voting overwhelmingly Liberal federally. Same thing in Queensland, and to a lesser extent and on the flip side in South Australia. So you cant really use state voting trends to predict national results.

[Shrillland]

Perhaps. Perhaps, but Tasmania has become more left winged over the recent years, so we'll see how that pans out

Nope, they get to remain in government. However, it appears two independents are poised to win seats as well, meaning that they could become kingmakers in forming a government. Also strangely, they are really, really slow at counting the votes. They're still at 83% counted. What....what happened?

STV will do that sometimes. Though if the trends are anything to go by, you're right, the Libs will keep their one-seat lead.

[Australian rePublic]

As much as I like to complain about Australia being a nanny state, I'll give credit where credit is due, in that, there is one aspect of the law where by Australia is an anti-nanny state. THat is when it comes to undertaking. Undertaking is using the curbside vehicle to overtake when driving. (i.e. overtaking using the left lane in countries which drive on the left, or overtaking using the right lane in countries which drive on the right). Undertaking is illegal, or at least discouraged in much of the world, (due to it being deemed too dangerous) but unconditionally legal on multi-lane in Australia and New Zealand. I didn't think I'd ever see Australia be an anti-nanny state in any regard, but credit where credit is due

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

I feel that Australia will be screwed if they go to war with China.

Alinta Energy, which has assets in Australia? Chinese-owned.

EnergyAustralia - not Australian, except for the title. Energy Australia is owned by CLP, a Hong Kong-based company.

Massive water station in far-off Queensland dredged from the Murray-Darling? 2% of Straya's water? China, but the US as well. And according to Michael West Media, they don't have to pay capital gains tax for speculating on our water.

Yancoal, major coal company in Australia, operates a bunch of mines (like Glencore does) in the Hunter Valley.

Port of Darwin and Port of Newcastle? Also owned by China. Thanks no thanks..
Largest beef and dairy companies? Gina Rinehart and the Government
sold it off to China.

Bellamy's - largest baby formula producer - also sold to China.
Even some of the ADF's most fragile secrets; $53m was paid to a Chinese company to look after fragile defence secrets.

And given how Australia's embarrassing itself on climate action too,
especially how it's refusing to help the Pacific Islands, which are sinking due to climate change,
I suspect that should a war break out, Australia will be left all on its own.

[Perikuresu]

I feel that Australia will be screwed if they go to war with China.

Alinta Energy, which has assets in Australia? Chinese-owned.

EnergyAustralia - not Australian, except for the title. Energy Australia is owned by CLP, a Hong Kong-based company.

Massive water station in far-off Queensland dredged from the Murray-Darling? 2% of Straya's water? China, but the US as well. And according to Michael West Media, they don't have to pay capital gains tax for speculating on our water.

Yancoal, major coal company in Australia, operates a bunch of mines (like Glencore does) in the Hunter Valley.

Port of Darwin and Port of Newcastle? Also owned by China. Thanks no thanks..
Largest beef and dairy companies? Gina Rinehart and the Government
sold it off to China.

Bellamy's - largest baby formula producer - also sold to China.
Even some of the ADF's most fragile secrets; $53m was paid to a Chinese company to look after fragile defence secrets.

And given how Australia's embarrassing itself on climate action too,
especially how it's refusing to help the Pacific Islands, which are sinking due to climate change,
I suspect that should a war break out, Australia will be left all on its own.

Also their navy outnumbers America

tbh we should be lessening our trade dependence on China (like Japan did when the Chinese cut off their supply of a certain type of metal used to manufacture tech by just getting them by Vietnam)

[Australian rePublic]

I feel that Australia will be screwed if they go to war with China.

Alinta Energy, which has assets in Australia? Chinese-owned.

EnergyAustralia - not Australian, except for the title. Energy Australia is owned by CLP, a Hong Kong-based company.

Massive water station in far-off Queensland dredged from the Murray-Darling? 2% of Straya's water? China, but the US as well. And according to Michael West Media, they don't have to pay capital gains tax for speculating on our water.

Yancoal, major coal company in Australia, operates a bunch of mines (like Glencore does) in the Hunter Valley.

Port of Darwin and Port of Newcastle? Also owned by China. Thanks no thanks..
Largest beef and dairy companies? Gina Rinehart and the Government
sold it off to China.

Bellamy's - largest baby formula producer - also sold to China.
Even some of the ADF's most fragile secrets; $53m was paid to a Chinese company to look after fragile defence secrets.

And given how Australia's embarrassing itself on climate action too,
especially how it's refusing to help the Pacific Islands, which are sinking due to climate change,
I suspect that should a war break out, Australia will be left all on its own.

Australia- China's flee market since K Rudd

[New Jacobland]

Federally? Hell, no.

Also, Scott M. attended a religious conference on the Gold Coast lately, and well....mmm. I'd spew my thoughts on it,
but I'm going to keep it short and sweet:

I have no problem with religion; I just think church and state should be two separate things.

Western Australia has always been a confusing paradox of voting overwhelmingly Labor statewide, but voting overwhelmingly Liberal federally. Same thing in Queensland, and to a lesser extent and on the flip side in South Australia. So you cant really use state voting trends to predict national results.

As a Western Australian, I think the Federal Labor party has a really bad reputation in the state. People like Albanese really don't help Labor's hopes in WA either.

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

In other news,
and nobody gives a window shutter by now, but anyhoo....

NSW Deputy Premier John Barilaro is suing Friendlyjordies for defamation.

And also in other news,
Chris Kenny's 'expose' on Turnbull and Rudd was aired recently.