Biden's Ban on Menthol Cigarettes

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Watch the local vape shops in my area continue selling them. I can't tell you how much shady shit I've seen go down in those places.

[Mercatus]

Black people love white people treating them like helpless children who can't make their own decisions, everyone knows that! Right?

This is just another step in a long line of moronic tobacco/nicotine policies in the United States. First you have the fiasco of cities, states, and the feds killing vaping, one of the greatest harm reduction advancements in human history! It especially ramped up after this "EVALI" garbage. For those of you who don't know, there was one specific type of illicit THC cartridge laced with Vitamin E acetate which is very, very poisonous and made people sick, so the government responded by... banning flavored nicotine products?

Let's put this into perspective: Imagine that a single farmer sold black market milk poisoned with cyanide and the government's response was to ban coffee nationwide.

Then with cigarettes, you have the FDA GIVING PEOPLE MORE CANCER by limiting the amount of nicotine in cigarettes. Lower nicotine content doesn't stop addiction! In fact, nicotine addiction has almost nothing to do with the amount in a single dose and everything to do with the frequency of consumption. A person consuming 10 very low nicotine cigarettes throughout the day will get addicted much, much faster than a person inhaling a metric fuckton of nicotine once or twice a day. But what's worse is that nicotine limits will cause smokers to smoke more. We KNOW THIS, because this is what happened with lights. When lights came out, smokers started covering the perforated filters to compensate for the reduction.

If smokers aren't getting an adequate nicotine hit, they will inhale deeper, longer, more frequently, and smoke more cigarettes.

And by the way, all over the country, they're doing the same moronic thing with medicinal cannabis. Banning high THC bud, the dumbest thing you could do. Don't take one little puff of this high THC product to get what you're looking for, no, smoke 4 whole joints of government approved weak-ass shit. Your lungs don't have enough tar in them!

Vaping produces most of the same side effects of regular nicotine/pot smoking, along with the fact that a lot of vape companies targeted high schoolers specifically to get them addicted early in life.

So no, it was not and never has been "One of the greatest harm reeducation advancements in human history!"

Pretty sure vapes can also turn into tiny grenades occasionally. I’d rather get cancer than have my mouth blown off. Not that I do smoke or vape, but I’m just adding my two cents.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Ban all cigarettes tbh

[Mercatus]

Ban all cigarettes tbh

While well-intentioned, I think banning cigs isn’t really the right course of action. Prohibition didn’t work, don’t think banning cigarettes or vapes or anything else will either.

[Bombadil]

Ban all cigarettes tbh

While well-intentioned, I think banning cigs isn’t really the right course of action. Prohibition didn’t work, don’t think banning cigarettes or vapes or anything else will either.

Prohibition is always trotted out.. it didn't work in part because it was so unpopular it led to people flagrantly disobeying the law including law officers, government members and high society.

Society norms take time to change, it's been nearly 70 years since serious medical alarm bells were sounded over tobacco, and it's practically the genesis of modern obfuscation of science as a means to protect the industry. I note a post about 'freedom' in this thread, that was engineered by communications to make it not an issue of medical health but 'muh freedoms'. It's still a pervasive rebuttal to any decent conversation about the effects of tobacco.

However, given 70 years, I'd say the general consensus is that smoking is a pointless and harmful exercise, not just to the individual body but in terms of pollution, and just the sheer anti-social nature of it.

So I think there's a case just to ban them, though an outright ban is probably not the best idea - in NZ they're toying with making it illegal for anyone after 2000 (I think) to purchase them, so ideally you slowly phase out adoption of smoking over time.

However the 'prohibition didn't work' so nothing will ever work is a tired line.

[Torisakia]

Now if he bans alcohol I might see this as some decent legislation from the government for once.

[Just-An-Illusion]

Now if he bans alcohol I might see this as some decent legislation from the government for once.

Yeah we tried banning alcohol before guess what? It didn't work.

Prohibition didn't work in the past and it won't work now.

[Torisakia]

Now if he bans alcohol I might see this as some decent legislation from the government for once.

Yeah we tried banning alcohol before guess what? It didn't work.

Prohibition didn't work in the past and it won't work now.

Not with that attitude, it won't. Just didn't try hard enough back then.

[Just-An-Illusion]

Yeah we tried banning alcohol before guess what? It didn't work.

Prohibition didn't work in the past and it won't work now.

Not with that attitude, it won't. Just didn't try hard enough back then.

Okay but why do you want to ban alchohol though? I personally don't drink it, but I believe Americans should have the right to drink alchohol as long as they don't go driving while drunk.

[Torisakia]

Not with that attitude, it won't. Just didn't try hard enough back then.

Okay but why do you want to ban alchohol though? I personally don't drink it, but I believe Americans should have the right to drink alchohol as long as they don't go driving while drunk.

Brings out the worst in people. Makes people violent, crazy, possibly the causes of a lot of abuse and injury. We're better off without it. But that's all for a different thread as that has nothing to do with menthol cigarettes.

[Ethel mermania]

While I strongly oppose the usage of tobacco products, I must oppose this sort of a ban.

It seems overly intrusive, and I fail to see what it actually will accomplish.

The intent is to keep black people from smoking

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

Now if he bans alcohol I might see this as some decent legislation from the government for once.

Yeah we tried banning alcohol before guess what? It didn't work.

Prohibition didn't work in the past and it won't work now.

Ayup.

[Coicantrost Terbi]

The black market just got a new in-demand product they can offer.

[Senkaku]

The black market just got a new in-demand product they can offer.

I've smoked tobacco a friend grew and "cured" himself. It ... would take a bit of getting used to. He kept smoking it but I know of nobody else who went back unless they were literally broke.

Quite legal at the time I believe. Any farmer could grow a certain number of plants (5?) and just say they were using it for insecticide. Maybe not legal now.

Nah, it won’t be small scale home operations, a tobacco major’ll just retool a factory in Indonesia or something to make the exact same cigs as now and some enterprising customs officials will work something out with the manager and the local mob and have a nice little side hustle for the next few decades

[Coicantrost Terbi]

Watch the local vape shops in my area continue selling them. I can't tell you how much shady shit I've seen go down in those places.

Same with the ones here in Houston...

[Badassistanian]

Tbh, good... Cigarettes should be classed as a decriminalized drug where its illegal to posses and use them but the punishment for it is rehab or medically assisted quitting. Then we should completely legalize weed and push it as a replacement.

[North Washington Republic]

As an ex-tobacco smoker that smoked both menthol and non-menthol cigarettes, I think I can provide some context to this

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FDA ban on menthol cigarettes: Bad for criminal justice, health policy

Biden Administration Plans to Propose Banning Menthol Cigarettes

This seems like lazy health policy. If Biden really wanted to support the health of black communities, it seems more effective to invest in public health options in low income communities. While that's expensive and requires personnel to fill the roles necessary, banning menthols seems like a non-solution to extensive and complex problem. I mean, won't menthol smokers just switch to using other forms of tobacco products?

The thing is, Menthol is the flavoring for cigarettes. It creates a cooling sensation in your throat so you don't feel like you're burning your throat, which you are when you smoke.

Also, it is an issue for Black communities as they are targeted with Menthol: Here is a handy article

Both statements are very much true. The menthol favoring in cigarettes due create a cooling sensation in the throat and lungs that a non-menthol cigarette does not provide. It also tastes a lot better. Also, tobacco companies have targeted Black communities with menthol cigarettes, Lorillard, who made the Newports were possibly the biggest offenders in this.

Delete if someone made a thread about this already.

FDA ban on menthol cigarettes: Bad for criminal justice, health policy

Biden Administration Plans to Propose Banning Menthol Cigarettes

This seems like lazy health policy. If Biden really wanted to support the health of black communities, it seems more effective to invest in public health options in low income communities. While that's expensive and requires personnel to fill the roles necessary, banning menthols seems like a non-solution to extensive and complex problem. I mean, won't menthol smokers just switch to using other forms of tobacco products?

Sure, other, more comprehensive policies would certainly be better, but have you ever smoked a menthol cigarette and then a non-menthol cigarette?

Folks used to menthol cigarettes aren't easily going to pick up non-menthol cigarettes*. It might be lazy, but I wouldn't say it's ineffective.

*Unless there's research on this that concludes otherwise.

This is not correct. Most cigarette smokers who prefer menthol will smoke non-menthol cigarettes if they really want their nicotine fix. Cigarettes are addictive AF, and an addict will sacrifice the taste of menthol for a fix.

Watch the local vape shops in my area continue selling them. I can't tell you how much shady shit I've seen go down in those places.

This sort of reminds me of convenience stores and head shops that sold spice/k2 after it was banned. They’re are definitely going to be stores that sell menthol cigarettes after they are banned. It is a product that has a decent amount of demand, and they are more than a few people that are willing to pay for it.

Ban all cigarettes tbh

Well that may be a good in theory, prohibition doesn’t work. This is why the menthol van is a horrible idea even though it has good intentions behind it. When we ban substances like alcohol, tobacco and cannabis, it does more harm to society than if we were to allow it with restrictions.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Today it is forbidden to smoke menthol, cannabis and alcohol are forbidden tomorrow. The prohibitory mindset will never win, please leave people alone. The world should gather and tell the United States of America that gun kills more people than cigarettes.

[North Washington Republic]

Tbh, good... Cigarettes should be classed as a decriminalized drug where its illegal to posses and use them but the punishment for it is rehab or medically assisted quitting. Then we should completely legalize weed and push it as a replacement.

While I’m in strong agreement that cannabis is much safer than tobacco, THC and nicotine are very different. If you’re talking about hemp smoking, perhaps it could be a replacement. However, tobacco and hemp have very different tastes and effects on the body.

[North Washington Republic]

Today it is forbidden to smoke menthol, cannabis and alcohol are forbidden tomorrow. The prohibitory mindset will never win, please leave people alone. The world should gather and tell the United States of America that gun kills more people than cigarettes.

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“Guns kill more people than cigarettes”

Wrong. So, very wrong

Firearm deaths= 39,707

Tobacco deaths= 480,000

[Deacarsia]

Slippery slope fallacy. Menthol is not a drug. The prohibitory mindset works fine on superficial additives, for instance hundreds of food chemicals we don't even know the name of. For longer shelf life, or simply to save money avoiding the chemicals, there's no way private enterprise would have eliminated chemicals the consumer isn't even aware of.

Or fucking lead. There is no safe level of lead exposure, yet it was cheap and effective to improve the octane of fuel by catalysis. The customers weren't going to demand its removal from petrol because the customers weren't the main victims of it.

Why you would mention guns when making an argument against "prohibitionism" I can't imagine.

Correct me if I am wrong, but is not menthol present in most mints?

[Uzbekstaland]

Guys enough about prohibition, we arent going back to that time.

[Uzbekstaland]

Slippery slope fallacy. Menthol is not a drug. The prohibitory mindset works fine on superficial additives, for instance hundreds of food chemicals we don't even know the name of. For longer shelf life, or simply to save money avoiding the chemicals, there's no way private enterprise would have eliminated chemicals the consumer isn't even aware of.

Or fucking lead. There is no safe level of lead exposure, yet it was cheap and effective to improve the octane of fuel by catalysis. The customers weren't going to demand its removal from petrol because the customers weren't the main victims of it.

Why you would mention guns when making an argument against "prohibitionism" I can't imagine.

Correct me if I am wrong, but is not menthol present in most mints?

This medication is used to treat minor aches and pains of the muscles/joints (such as arthritis, backache, sprains).

[North Washington Republic]

Correct me if I am wrong, but is not menthol present in most mints?

This medication is used to treat minor aches and pains of the muscles/joints (such as arthritis, backache, sprains).

Right. Biden isn’t looking to ban menthol, but banning menthol flavoring in cigarettes. Menthol is a legitimate medicine.

[Deacarsia]

Guys enough about prohibition, we arent going back to that time.

“If I Could Turn Back Time”