ALP and Shooters & Fishers are polar opposites of the political world. How in the fudge can he possibly support both? They're contradictory
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by Australian rePublic » Wed Apr 28, 2021 5:41 am
by Australian rePublic » Wed Apr 28, 2021 5:42 am
by Roblox Crossroads » Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:46 pm
Australian rePublic wrote:Australia is one of the world's worst over-regulated nanny states. My question is, why do we, as Australians, put up with that crap, and what can we realistically do about it?
by Australian rePublic » Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:19 pm
Political Geography wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:Australia is one of the world's worst over-regulated nanny states. My question is, why do we, as Australians, put up with that crap, and what can we realistically do about it?
You could start by recognizing that regulation is not equally stifling of individuals, in all different sectors. The ban on going nude for instance, infringes individual rights. A ban on selling horse meat as goat, however, barely restricts any individuals but mainly restricts businesses. No, it is not the same thing, unless you think a business has human rights.
"Nanny state theory" that considers all regulations to be equally stifling, free-rides the profit interests of companies on the interests of individuals in their own rights. Don't buy it.
by Australian rePublic » Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:11 am
Political Geography wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:I am aware. And I can still provide millions of examples of us being a nanny state
You said "over-regulated nanny state" tho. Regulation is the word used for laws that are binding on business more than individuals. For individuals, the word is "laws".
Though sure, give examples if you wish.
by Grenvolk » Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:49 am
Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:I wonder how silent FirendlyJordies will remain about this
Also, just asking, but outside of being a fanboy of the ALP, Shooters, Fishers and Farmers, Bank Australia-ME Bank, Future Super, IA, Michael West Media, and Ecosia fanboy,
what is your opinion on Jordies? (again, outside of his political bent)
by Australian rePublic » Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:05 am
Political Geography wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:NSW's laser pointer laws, most DIY work which is legal in most countries is illegal in Australia, many of our driving laws (in Victoria, you can get fined for going 2km/h over the speed limit), rules concerning electric scooters (you have to be older in Australia than in most other countries), minimum mandatory equipment required for boats, the fact that there are two stages of provisional driving licenses, etc.
None of those are indefensible. I think you're just asking everyone else to take the same level of risk that is comfortable for you. If there was even one of those things where individual risk-taking didn't extend to a risk to others, then you'd have a point.
MAYBE the DIY thing. People should be forbidden to do their own electrical work, if only because sometimes they will do it anyway and they should not be allowed to get a free ride on house insurance.
If their own negligence starts a fire and burns down their own house, I'm not going to say "poor Joe lost his whole family in that fire, at least pay out the house insurance" because there has to be the same rule for Joe as for Ted, who may have deliberately burned down his own house for the money. Electrical faults being a common cause of house fires.
To a lesser extent, people working on their own sewers. You can have a lax attitude to that out in the country because the poop is unlikely to reach a neighbour's property. But in an apartment in the city, the poop might be seeping down someone's walls for days before they work out what "that smell" is. So you make one rule for all, and count on country people not calling the cops because it doesn't affect them. Or you can leave it to councils so a country council can deal with the detail of "one rule in town, another for the farmers" which isn't that controversial there.
But the one home maintenance DIY I might agree with you on, is water. If someone in a free standing house messes up changing a tap washer, wrecks some pannelling and carpets, there isn't necessarily a risk to anyone. Even family living in the same house. There MAY be, if they can't get the water out of the carpet and don't pull it up: mold can make people very sick. However I'd prefer people just know that, than trying to prevent the flooding in the first place. That could happen by the old "a knock on the door while running a bath" play. Using the example of apartments again, even neighbours could suffer water damage, and there is SOME risk to health, but it's mostly a matter of property damage which a self-respecting nanny state shouldn't care so much about.
I suppose the enforcement of speed limits even in places and times when speeding is entirely safe (to oneself and others) is "over-regulation" but consider the alternatives: all speed limits being variable depending of crowding and weather conditions? Giving police discretion to decide whose speeding is safe and whose is unsafe? Just not enforcing limits at all ... though this would be the most consistent "solution" it would also cause the most innocent deaths in the process of weeding out the fools who can't tell what is safe for them until their car goes airborne.
Also, regulated does not necessarily=regulation. "regulate" (or its past tense, "regulated") in this context applies to both regulation and legislation (laws)
And that is wrong, as I said. It is disrespectful of human rights, to imply that "rights to do business" are equal to them. I'd like if you didn't do that.
by Grenvolk » Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:08 am
by Australian rePublic » Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:09 pm
Grenvolk wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:
Bro I remember you from back in my 2016 days
aren't you an immigrant hospitality worker who unironically thinks right wing corporate oligarchs have your best interest at heart? Hows your life going? You might be able to get a better job than glorified hotel doorman if you spend less time on nationstates arguing why monarchs and people two hundred billion lifetimes of wealth away from you actually have any idea on how to make people like you's life better.
by Anglomir » Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:20 pm
Political Geography wrote:Grenvolk wrote:Bro I remember you from back in my 2016 days
aren't you an immigrant hospitality worker who unironically thinks right wing corporate oligarchs have your best interest at heart? Hows your life going? You might be able to get a better job than glorified hotel doorman if you spend less time on nationstates arguing why monarchs and people two hundred billion lifetimes of wealth away from you actually have any idea on how to make people like you's life better.
A quick search of RePublic's posts tells me you're mistaking him for someone else. Not that posters with a single-digit post count making personal attacks on the OP and main poster of the thread, ever goes down well. There are better ways to demand attention ...
Zitravgrad wrote:"In every man, there is an animal that wishes to dominate. But in Anglomir, we are already the dominating race."
The English Regions wrote:Nationalistic and overly serious, whose idea of fun is having a beer whilst making jokes about foreigners.
Convallaria wrote:Paternalistic Conservatism with elements of theological dominionism.
Painisia wrote:Neo-fascist monarchy
Tondo Federation wrote:Germano-Nordic Vikings who drink a lot of beer and work for 40 hours a day
by Australian rePublic » Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:36 pm
Anglomir wrote:Political Geography wrote:
A quick search of RePublic's posts tells me you're mistaking him for someone else. Not that posters with a single-digit post count making personal attacks on the OP and main poster of the thread, ever goes down well. There are better ways to demand attention ...
Oh, sorry, is this better? Forgive me for using a new puppet, oh mighty one.
And no, I was correct. He studied hospitality. He supports the Liberal Party, so he supports corrupt corporate oil oligarchs. He used to be a republican but became monarchist. I'm not being dismissive of those types of jobs, I'm pointing out that he is actively screwing himself in jobs like that by voting for a party who wants less support for low income.
by Arisyan » Sat May 01, 2021 5:50 am
by Australian rePublic » Mon May 03, 2021 4:49 am
by Australian rePublic » Mon May 03, 2021 4:53 am
Arisyan wrote:Well, since it appears no one else is gonna post it, Tasmania is holding a state election today. I have a feeling it's gonna end up almost identical to the previous one, Liberals keep their one-seat majority, and Labour loses a seat to the Greens I guess. Pretty uneventful I predict.
by Arisyan » Mon May 03, 2021 5:00 am
Australian rePublic wrote:Arisyan wrote:Well, since it appears no one else is gonna post it, Tasmania is holding a state election today. I have a feeling it's gonna end up almost identical to the previous one, Liberals keep their one-seat majority, and Labour loses a seat to the Greens I guess. Pretty uneventful I predict.
Perhaps. Perhaps, but Tasmania has become more left winged over the recent years, so we'll see how that pans out
by Perikuresu » Mon May 03, 2021 6:03 am
by Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts » Mon May 03, 2021 7:41 am
Perikuresu wrote:U think WA's gonna go more left-wing in the next few years? You know, judging from how the Liberals got buried under a f*cking avalanche and loosing most traditionally liberal seats + their grips loosening on the remaining seats they have and loosing the opposition to the Nationals
by Arisyan » Mon May 03, 2021 7:57 am
Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts wrote:Perikuresu wrote:U think WA's gonna go more left-wing in the next few years? You know, judging from how the Liberals got buried under a f*cking avalanche and loosing most traditionally liberal seats + their grips loosening on the remaining seats they have and loosing the opposition to the Nationals
Federally? Hell, no.
Also, Scott M. attended a religious conference on the Gold Coast lately, and well....mmm. I'd spew my thoughts on it,
but I'm going to keep it short and sweet:
I have no problem with religion; I just think church and state should be two separate things.
by Shrillland » Mon May 03, 2021 4:43 pm
Arisyan wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:Perhaps. Perhaps, but Tasmania has become more left winged over the recent years, so we'll see how that pans out
Nope, they get to remain in government. However, it appears two independents are poised to win seats as well, meaning that they could become kingmakers in forming a government. Also strangely, they are really, really slow at counting the votes. They're still at 83% counted. What....what happened?
by Australian rePublic » Tue May 04, 2021 3:58 am
by Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts » Wed May 05, 2021 1:47 am
by Perikuresu » Wed May 05, 2021 1:50 am
Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts wrote:I feel that Australia will be screwed if they go to war with China.
Alinta Energy, which has assets in Australia? Chinese-owned.
EnergyAustralia - not Australian, except for the title. Energy Australia is owned by CLP, a Hong Kong-based company.
Massive water station in far-off Queensland dredged from the Murray-Darling? 2% of Straya's water? China, but the US as well. And according to Michael West Media, they don't have to pay capital gains tax for speculating on our water.
Yancoal, major coal company in Australia, operates a bunch of mines (like Glencore does) in the Hunter Valley.
Port of Darwin and Port of Newcastle? Also owned by China. Thanks no thanks..
Largest beef and dairy companies? Gina Rinehart and the Government
sold it off to China.
Bellamy's - largest baby formula producer - also sold to China.
Even some of the ADF's most fragile secrets; $53m was paid to a Chinese company to look after fragile defence secrets.
And given how Australia's embarrassing itself on climate action too,
especially how it's refusing to help the Pacific Islands, which are sinking due to climate change,
I suspect that should a war break out, Australia will be left all on its own.
by Australian rePublic » Wed May 05, 2021 3:24 am
Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts wrote:I feel that Australia will be screwed if they go to war with China.
Alinta Energy, which has assets in Australia? Chinese-owned.
EnergyAustralia - not Australian, except for the title. Energy Australia is owned by CLP, a Hong Kong-based company.
Massive water station in far-off Queensland dredged from the Murray-Darling? 2% of Straya's water? China, but the US as well. And according to Michael West Media, they don't have to pay capital gains tax for speculating on our water.
Yancoal, major coal company in Australia, operates a bunch of mines (like Glencore does) in the Hunter Valley.
Port of Darwin and Port of Newcastle? Also owned by China. Thanks no thanks..
Largest beef and dairy companies? Gina Rinehart and the Government
sold it off to China.
Bellamy's - largest baby formula producer - also sold to China.
Even some of the ADF's most fragile secrets; $53m was paid to a Chinese company to look after fragile defence secrets.
And given how Australia's embarrassing itself on climate action too,
especially how it's refusing to help the Pacific Islands, which are sinking due to climate change,
I suspect that should a war break out, Australia will be left all on its own.
by New Jacobland » Wed May 05, 2021 5:02 am
Arisyan wrote:Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts wrote:
Federally? Hell, no.
Also, Scott M. attended a religious conference on the Gold Coast lately, and well....mmm. I'd spew my thoughts on it,
but I'm going to keep it short and sweet:
I have no problem with religion; I just think church and state should be two separate things.
Western Australia has always been a confusing paradox of voting overwhelmingly Labor statewide, but voting overwhelmingly Liberal federally. Same thing in Queensland, and to a lesser extent and on the flip side in South Australia. So you cant really use state voting trends to predict national results.
by Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts » Sat May 08, 2021 7:39 am
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