The Napoleonic Wars(Alt-Hist)(OOC)(OPEN)

[Bolslania]

Going to be reserving Tecumseh's Confederacy

Negative, won't exist for another few years

[Deblar]

Well, I think Adams would be reluctant to give those up should the British make the offer. But, Y’know, I personally don’t think that the British would unless they were desperate. Just a little speculation.

Why would such a deal be a sign of British desperation? Once things in Eurasia calm down, Britain could turn its full might on the US and just take the land it wants by force. The idea behind the deal is to give the US nice usable (and stolen) lands to get back frozen wastelands that look nice on paper for the British crown.

It's a deal that especially benefits the US because you get New Orleans and plenty of other lands that are ideal for agriculture out of it at the cost of some useful land, and a whole lot of frozen tundra and forests that is underpopulated. And honestly, this is a pretty beneficial outcome for the US considering all other possible outcomes of the Napoleonic Wars in the Americas.

I thought it would be a move of desperation because I don’t think the British would offer that to America unless they really needed an ally, which doesn’t seem to be the case.

[St George Territory]

Going to be reserving Tecumseh's Confederacy

Negative, won't exist for another few years

I've spoken with Monson about it and he said he'd be alright with having an indigenous Confederacy based out of the haldimand proclamation

[Bolslania]

Negative, won't exist for another few years

I've spoken with Monson about it and he said he'd be alright with having an indigenous Confederacy based out of the haldimand proclamation

Talk to Deblar as well

[Northern Poland]

Tag!

Reserving the Roman Republic (18th century one, with the Grand Duchy of Tuscany)

I'm pretty sure it's before Naples comes knocking in Rome.

[Bolslania]

Tag!

Reserving the Roman Republic (18th century one, with the Grand Duchy of Tuscany)

I'm pretty sure it's before Naples comes knocking in Rome.

The Roman Republic that youre referencing was founded in 1798 post invasion by Napoleon

but approved

[Northern Poland]

Nation Name: Roman Republic

Leaders: Consuls Angelucci, Mattheis, Panazzi, Reppi, and Visconti

Type of Government: Directorial Republic

Territory: 1798 Land, and the Grand Duchy of Tuscany.

Population: 3.7 Million (2.7 from core Roman states, 1m from Tuscany.)

Army Size and breakdown:
The Roman Army is organized into 10 Infantry Regiments (6 LIne, 4 Light), 3,000 men strong, with 1,000 man battalions. Additionally, the Republic, with 150 cannons following the Gribeauval system. Roman cavalry boasts 40 squadrons. The Roman Republican Guard has 3 Regiments of Line, and 1 of Light Infantry. 40 Cannon, and 5 Squadrons of Cavalry.

Additionally, the Urban Battalions (A successor to Urban Cohorts) can muster some 10,000 men, some former soldiers, but most are just lazy conscripts.
Navy size and breakdown:
3 4th Rate Ships of the Line
8 5th Rate Ships
12 6th Rate Ships
Many smaller vessels.

Main trading partners/ allies: France.

Current position on Napoleon: Allied, considered a Sister republic.
Major domestic issues:

The Great Game: 5 Consuls sit on a council at the top of our government. Each one wishes to establish themselves as the sole head of state. Only time will tell who will win glory, and who will die in the shadows.

Truly a Republic?: With such a large army, it does seem like they may have a good degree of influence, and it doesn't take much for people's minds to wander to the ages of Legions declaring their officers Emperor.
Major foreign issues:

A pope in exile: Despite the revolutionary spirit, the Italians are a pious people. Continuous letters have piled up in Paris from the 5 consuls, in increasingly angrier words, demanding the return of Pius VI. This leaves a spot where a divide may ferment.

Those Bastards to the South: Despite the large army, the Consuls worry about Naples to the south, thinking that they might try and march north, and restore the Papal States.

Friendly Republics to the North: Another Sister republic lies to the north, the Cisalpine Republic. The consuls seek to unify and potentially bring all of Italy, and Illyria, back under Roman control.

History: Established after the fall of the Papal States, the emerging Roman republic quickly formed an army of former Papal soldiers and anyone who would join. The Council of consuls seeks to restore the glory of Rome and make it a beacon of civilization in Europe once more.

(Question to the OP: Would you mind if I grabbed Generals Fontanelli and Lechi? Instead of later serving the Italian Kingdom, got put into service with a sister republic?)

[Bolslania]

Approved, and sure

[Orostan]

Will post soon. Rl getting in the way.

[Bolslania]

Will post soon. Rl getting in the way.

Ik the feeling

[Northern Poland]

Oh boy, just realized that Naples is about to become the Parthenopean Republic, which means I have a short window for some early Italian Unification shenanigans unless the French get mad that I'm absorbing other sister republics.

EDIT: post up

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

Nation Name: Mughal Empire
Leader: Shah Alam II
Type of Government: Absolute Monarchy
Territory:

Half of India, slight part of Pakistan, and Sri Lanka
Population: 191,400,000

Army Size and breakdown:

500,000 strong men, armed with the latest domestic arms. Experienced in mountainous warfare and from numerous wars with rebels and Maratha.
Navy size and breakdown:
150 ships, outdated, hampered with budgets. Most of the ships came from mid 18th century.

Main trading partners/ allies: France, Netherlands, Qajar Iran, Afghanistan, Nepal, Tibet, Indonesian and Arabic nations, Qing.
Current position on Napoleon (allied, against, neutral): Neutral, but positively considering an alliance with Napoleon.
Major domestic issues:

- Traditional administrations hampered modernization and bureaucracy
- Navy is outdated
- Line of communication and trade with Sri Lanka is hampered
- Corruption

Major foreign issues:

- Napoleon's ascension complicates the relationship with France
- Maratha supporting the Islamic rebellions inside Mughal
- Iran and Afghanistan remain neutral, but for how long?

History: Certain events happened as it is in OTL, though there are few changes.

1494 - 1525, Babur, who led his ancestral domains, was driven out from Central Asia and fled to India, to satisfy his ambitions of ruling his own domain. Still, he fled deeper from India, and ruled over part of India as he led his troops to conquered parts of the modern-day Pakistan from the Safavids. He consolidated his ruling by splitting his domains with his sons, and when his heir Humayun took over, he would able to defended the territories from the rebels, who in spite of gaining allies from Humayun's brothers, were not able to gain as many as they hoped as in the OTL due to his brothers comfortable with the ruling of their own. Strain of relationship between Mughal and Safavid resulted in a stronger Mughal/India culture instead of Persian cultural influence.

1525 - 1707, Humayun further conquered India, with massive military programs to expanded the military and modernize the economy to balance the military's massive funding. Humayun died on 1555 as in OTL, by accident. His son, Akbar, succeeded him. Akbar strengthened the institutions of Mughal Empire, embarked in massive education and cultural programs, enriching the empire with education. OTL events of trading with European companies still happened, and in the process, both the French and the Dutch focused on currying favor with Akbar, perhaps visioning a conflict in the future between the two. Akbar established Din-i Illahi, a syncretic religion combined from themes from many religions and unlike OTL, will be adopted as Mughal's official religion of the state, and a potential issue in the future as well. Jahangir succeeded Akbar, but was assassinated by his brother Murad, as Jahangir supported Islamic orthodoxy and rejected the Din-i Illahi, proclaimed it as a false religion. Murad succeeded Jahangir and established an even stronger religious institution of Din-i Illahi and enforced Jizya on non-Din-i Illahi followers. Jahangir's supporters fled to inner India where they collaborated with local warriors and eventually founded the Maratha Confederacy, which will be Mughal's main thorn in the future.

Shah Jahan's regime remain the same, but Dara's regime survived as Aurangzeb, who advocated for Islamic orthodoxy, was imprisoned for his traitorous idea. Dara was a liberal and he reformed the DIn-i Illahi's concept by simplifying the syncretic concept of it, making sure that it is a form of Islam-Hindu-Zoroastrian, instead of many other religions combined with the three. Dara established a modern coinage and mercantile system, patronized the arts and intellectual movements, and invaded Sri Lanka to established the private island of Sri Lanka, intended it to be the exclusive trading island for the French and the Dutch.

1707 - Now, by the time Dara's son, Bahadur Shah I, led Mughal, the empire is in decline due to oppositions from Maratha, local Islamic resistances, and corrupt institution. A large tract of Mughal's inner India territories was captured by Maratha, and the line between Sri Lanka and mainland was barely maintained as obstacles existed between the two. It took a combined French-Dutch-Mughal military effort to recovered the line again, and by Shah Alam II's, he intended to modernized the empire and the institutions by based it on French's military and bureaucracy institution, formalizing the relations between the two empires. It remains to be seen whether Mughal will stay loyal as Napoleon's led the country, or they broke away to the Dutch...

[Northern Poland]

Nation Name: Mughal Empire
Leader: Shah Alam II
Type of Government: Absolute Monarchy
Territory:

Half of India, slight part of Pakistan, and Sri Lanka
Population: 191,400,000

Army Size and breakdown:

500,000 strong men, armed with the latest domestic arms. Experienced in mountainous warfare and from numerous wars with rebels and Maratha.
Navy size and breakdown:
150 ships, outdated, hampered with budgets. Most of the ships came from mid 18th century.

Main trading partners/ allies: France, Netherlands, Qajar Iran, Afghanistan, Nepal, Tibet, Indonesian and Arabic nations, Qing.
Current position on Napoleon (allied, against, neutral): Neutral, but positively considering an alliance with Napoleon.
Major domestic issues:

- Traditional administrations hampered modernization and bureaucracy
- Navy is outdated
- Line of communication and trade with Sri Lanka is hampered
- Corruption

Major foreign issues:

- Napoleon's ascension complicates the relationship with France
- Maratha supporting the Islamic rebellions inside Mughal
- Iran and Afghanistan remain neutral, but for how long?

History: Certain events happened as it is in OTL, though there are few changes.

1494 - 1525, Babur, who led his ancestral domains, was driven out from Central Asia and fled to India, to satisfy his ambitions of ruling his own domain. Still, he fled deeper from India, and ruled over part of India as he led his troops to conquered parts of the modern-day Pakistan from the Safavids. He consolidated his ruling by splitting his domains with his sons, and when his heir Humayun took over, he would able to defended the territories from the rebels, who in spite of gaining allies from Humayun's brothers, were not able to gain as many as they hoped as in the OTL due to his brothers comfortable with the ruling of their own. Strain of relationship between Mughal and Safavid resulted in a stronger Mughal/India culture instead of Persian cultural influence.

1525 - 1707, Humayun further conquered India, with massive military programs to expanded the military and modernize the economy to balance the military's massive funding. Humayun died on 1555 as in OTL, by accident. His son, Akbar, succeeded him. Akbar strengthened the institutions of Mughal Empire, embarked in massive education and cultural programs, enriching the empire with education. OTL events of trading with European companies still happened, and in the process, both the French and the Dutch focused on currying favor with Akbar, perhaps visioning a conflict in the future between the two. Akbar established Din-i Illahi, a syncretic religion combined from themes from many religions and unlike OTL, will be adopted as Mughal's official religion of the state, and a potential issue in the future as well. Jahangir succeeded Akbar, but was assassinated by his brother Murad, as Jahangir supported Islamic orthodoxy and rejected the Din-i Illahi, proclaimed it as a false religion. Murad succeeded Jahangir and established an even stronger religious institution of Din-i Illahi and enforced Jizya on non-Din-i Illahi followers. Jahangir's supporters fled to inner India where they collaborated with local warriors and eventually founded the Maratha Confederacy, which will be Mughal's main thorn in the future.

Shah Jahan's regime remain the same, but Dara's regime survived as Aurangzeb, who advocated for Islamic orthodoxy, was imprisoned for his traitorous idea. Dara was a liberal and he reformed the DIn-i Illahi's concept by simplifying the syncretic concept of it, making sure that it is a form of Islam-Hindu-Zoroastrian, instead of many other religions combined with the three. Dara established a modern coinage and mercantile system, patronized the arts and intellectual movements, and invaded Sri Lanka to established the private island of Sri Lanka, intended it to be the exclusive trading island for the French and the Dutch.

1707 - Now, by the time Dara's son, Bahadur Shah I, led Mughal, the empire is in decline due to oppositions from Maratha, local Islamic resistances, and corrupt institution. A large tract of Mughal's inner India territories was captured by Maratha, and the line between Sri Lanka and mainland was barely maintained as obstacles existed between the two. It took a combined French-Dutch-Mughal military effort to recovered the line again, and by Shah Alam II's, he intended to modernized the empire and the institutions by based it on French's military and bureaucracy institution, formalizing the relations between the two empires. It remains to be seen whether Mughal will stay loyal as Napoleon's led the country, or they broke away to the Dutch...

Hooray! more potential allies!

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Could someone reserve Russia for me?

Also, someone ought to make a map, it's hard to decide who to be w/out visual reference.

[Sao Nova Europa]

Could someone reserve Russia for me?

Also, someone ought to make a map, it's hard to decide who to be w/out visual reference.

Russia is Tatarstan, so it is already taken (by me).

[Bolslania]

Could someone reserve Russia for me?

Also, someone ought to make a map, it's hard to decide who to be w/out visual reference.

Yeah I'm going to put up a map probably this evening

[Romextly]

I finally have time to make a nother post. Bavaria will join Austria this war.

[American Pere Housh]

Can I do a Mexico which gains independence soon after the United States gains its independence?

[Bolslania]

Can I do a Mexico which gains independence soon after the United States gains its independence?

If you can provide a reasonable explanation as to why, sure

[Monsone]

Considering we skipped forwards from 1797 to 1799, here is a list of updated major surface combatants for the Royal Navy (frigates and ships of the line since sloops and smaller ships are mainly for limited colonial use and not ship-on-ship actions --- it should also be noted that the majority of the ship increases between 1797 and 1799 has been in the number of ships of the line and frigates).

Ships of the Line:

1 Ville de Paris Class (1st Rate)
1 Victory Class (1st Rate)
1 Royal Sovereign Class (1st Rate)
3 Umpire Class (1st Rate)
HMS San Josef (Ex-Spanish)(First-Rate)
1 Britannia Class (1st Rate)
2 Neptune Class (2nd Rate)
2 Sandwich Class (2nd Rate)
1 London Class (2nd Rate)
4 Barfleur Class (2nd Rate)
1 Queen Class (2nd Rate)
4 Duke Class (2nd Rate)
3 Revived London Class (2nd Rate)
2 Achille Class (3rd Rate)
2 America Class (3rd Rate)
1 Dragon Class (3rd Rate)
2 Ajax Class (3rd Rates)
2 Mars Class (3rd Rates)
1 Boyne Class (3rd Rate)
1 Brunswick Class (3rd Rate)
1 Foudroyant Class (3rd Rate)
1 Caesar Class (3rd Rate)
1 Dublin Class (3rd Rate)
1 Fame Class (3rd Rate)
1 Hero Class (3rd Rate)
2 Bellona Class (3rd Rate)
2 Valiant Class (3rd Rate)
10 Arrogant Class (3rd Rate)
4 Canada Class (3rd Rate)
4 Albion Class (3rd Rate)
3 Ramillies Class (3rd Rate)
1 Suffolk Class (3rd Rate)
3 Modified Ramillies Class (3rd Rate)
1 Modified Suffolk Class (3rd Rate)
5 Royal Oak Class (3rd Rate)
1 Egmont Class (3rd Rate)
5 Elizabeth Class (3rd Rate)
7 Culloden Class (3rd Rate)
4 Alfred Class (3rd Rate)
6 Ganges Class (3rd Rate)
4 Carnatic Class (3rd Rate)
1 Asia Class (3rd Rate)
2 St Albans Class (3rd Rate)
3 Exeter Class (3rd Rate)
5 Ardent Class (3rd Rate)
2 Worcester Class (3rd Rate)
12 Intrepid Class (3rd Rate)
4 Inflexibel Class (3rd Rate)
3 Crown Class (3rd Rate)
1 Yarmouth Class (3rd Rate)
1 Diomede Class (4th Rate)
2 Edgar Class (4th Rate)
1 Warwick Class (4th Rate)
1 Romney Class (4th Rate)
2 Salisbury Class (4th Rate)
9 Portland Class (4th Rate)
1 Experiment Class (4th Rate)
1 Trusty Class (4th Rate)
1 Chatham Class (4th Rate)
1 Rippon Class (4th Rate)
1 Preston Class (4th Rate)
3 Namur Class (4th Rate)
1 Cambridge Class (4th Rate)
1 Chister Class (4th Rate)
1 Medway Class (4th Rate)
HMS Bienfaisant (Ex-French)
HMS Belleisle (Ex-French)
HMS Prothee (Ex-French)
HMS Pegase (Ex-French)
HMS Caton (Ex-French)
HMS Argonaut (Ex-French)
HMS Solitaire (Ex-French)
HMS Pompee (Ex-French)
HMS Juste (Ex-French)
HMS Ca Ira (Ex-French)
HMS Sans Pareil (Ex-French)
HMS Impetueux (Ex-French)
HMS Tigre (Ex-French)
HMS Belleisle (Ex-French)
HMS Hercule (Ex-French)
HMS Canopus (Ex-French)
HMS Tonnant (Ex-French)
HMS Guerrier (Ex-French)
HMS San Nicolas (Ex-Spanish)
HMS Calcutta (Ex-East Indiaman)
HMS Grampus (Ex-East Indiaman)
HMS Hindostan (Ex-East Indiaman)
HMS Abergavenny (Ex-East Indiaman)
HMS Malabar (Ex-East Indiaman)
HMS Glatton (Ex-East Indiaman)
HMS Coromandel (Ex-East Indiaman)
HMS Madras (Ex-East Indiaman)
HMS Weymouth (Ex-East Indiaman)
HMS Malabar (Ex-East Indiaman)

Frigates

HMS Brakel (Frigate)(Ex-Dutch 4th Rate Ship of the Line)
HMS Tromp (Frigate)(Ex-Dutch 4th Rate Ship of the Line)
HMS Alkmaar (Frigate)(Ex-Dutch 4th Rate Ship of the Line)
HMS Broederschap (Frigate)(Ex-Dutch 4th Rate Ship of the Line)
HMS Batavier (Frigate)(Ex-Dutch 4th Rate Ship of the Line)
HMS Beschermer (Frigate)(Ex-Dutch 4th Rate Ship of the Line)
HMS Indefatigable (Frigate)(Razeed Ship of the Line)
HMS Anson (Frigate)(Razeed Ship of the Line)
HMS Magnanime (Frigate)(Razeed Ship of the Line)
HMS Active (Frigate)
HMS Acasta (Frigate)
HMS Belle Poule (Frigate)
HMS Blonde (Frigate)
HMS Endymion (Frigate)
HMS Pomone (Frigate)
HMS Proselyte (Frigate)
HMS Santa Margarita (Frigate)
HMS Sir Edward Huges (Frigate)
HMS Sirius (Frigate)
HMS San Fiorenzo (Frigate)
HMS Stag (Frigate)
HMS Alliantie (Frigate)
1 Amphion Class (Frigate)(3 more ordered)
2 Penelope Class (Frigate)(1 under construction)
18 Thetis Class (Frigate)
2 Richmond Class (Frigate)
2 Southampton Class (Frigate)
5 Niger Class (Frigate)
1 Venus Class (Frigate)
3 Pallas Class (Frigate)
18 Enterprise Class (Frigate)
4 Coventry Class (Frigate)
5 Phoebe Class (Frigate)
4 Cerberus Class (Frigate)
5 Artois Class (Frigate)
3 Minerva Class (Frigate)
4 Flora Class (Frigate)
2 Maidstone Class (Frigate)
2 Andromeda Class (Frigate)
6 Active Class (Frigate)
2 Alarm Class (Frigate)

[American Pere Housh]

Nation Name:The United States of Mexico
Leader:President José Sanchez
Type of Government:Constitutional Republic similar to The United States of America
Territory:All of Modern Mexico plus California, New Mexico, Texas, Nevada, Utah, Colorado
Population:8 million
Army Size and breakdown:150,000 men armed with the latest in Spanish and British arms
Navy size and breakdown:40 ships mainly of Spanish, French and British design; many of the ships are outdated.
Main trading partners/ allies:the USA, the UK, the Netherlands
Current position on Napoleon (allied, against, neutral):neutral but leaning towards Britain
Major domestic issues:an outdated Navy, corruption(in the process of being remedied)
Major foreign issues:Strained relationship with France,Spain and their allies due to Mexico's close relationship with the British, border dispute with Spain at Southern border.

History:Same as OTL up to February 15, 1780 when a massive rebellion began against the Spanish government. Said rebellion lasted until October 5th, 1787 when the Mexican rebels succeeded in throwing off the Spanish yoke. One year later, The Mexican Constitution was ratified by every state in Mexico marking November 12th, 1788 as Constitution Day. The Mexican Constitution is heavily based on on the United States Constitution with a few differences though none are major.

[American Pere Housh]

Just like real life, America will likely watch this from the sidelines, but may get involved if, say, the British offered to let America have Louisiana if they joined the coalition against France

If my app does get accepted, what would you think of Mexico and the United States becoming allies?

[Bolslania]

Nation Name:The United States of Mexico
Leader:President José Sanchez
Type of Government:Constitutional Republic similar to The United States of America
Territory:All of Modern Mexico plus California, New Mexico, Texas, Nevada, Utah, Colorado
Population:8 million
Army Size and breakdown:150,000 men armed with the latest in Spanish and British arms
Navy size and breakdown:110 ships mainly of Spanish, French and British design; many of the ships are outdated.
Main trading partners/ allies:the USA, the UK, the Netherlands
Current position on Napoleon (allied, against, neutral):neutral but leaning towards Britain
Major domestic issues:an outdated Navy, corruption(in the process of being remedied)
Major foreign issues:Strained relationship with France,Spain and their allies due to Mexico's close relationship with the British, border dispute with Spain at Southern border.

History:Same as OTL up to February 15, 1780 when a massive rebellion began against the Spanish government. Said rebellion lasted until October 5th, 1787 when the Mexican rebels succeeded in throwing off the Spanish yoke. One year later, The Mexican Constitution was ratified by every state in Mexico marking November 12th, 1788 as Constitution Day. The Mexican Constitution is heavily based on on the United States Constitution with a few differences though none are major.

How did you amass such a large navy in 10 years?

[American Pere Housh]

Nation Name:The United States of Mexico
Leader:President José Sanchez
Type of Government:Constitutional Republic similar to The United States of America
Territory:All of Modern Mexico plus California, New Mexico, Texas, Nevada, Utah, Colorado
Population:8 million
Army Size and breakdown:150,000 men armed with the latest in Spanish and British arms
Navy size and breakdown:40 ships mainly of Spanish, French and British design; many of the ships are outdated.
Main trading partners/ allies:the USA, the UK, the Netherlands
Current position on Napoleon (allied, against, neutral):neutral but leaning towards Britain
Major domestic issues:an outdated Navy, corruption(in the process of being remedied)
Major foreign issues:Strained relationship with France,Spain and their allies due to Mexico's close relationship with the British, border dispute with Spain at Southern border.

History:Same as OTL up to February 15, 1780 when a massive rebellion began against the Spanish government. Said rebellion lasted until October 5th, 1787 when the Mexican rebels succeeded in throwing off the Spanish yoke. One year later, The Mexican Constitution was ratified by every state in Mexico marking November 12th, 1788 as Constitution Day. The Mexican Constitution is heavily based on on the United States Constitution with a few differences though none are major.

That better?

[Bolslania]

Nation Name:The United States of Mexico
Leader:President José Sanchez
Type of Government:Constitutional Republic similar to The United States of America
Territory:All of Modern Mexico plus California, New Mexico, Texas, Nevada, Utah, Colorado
Population:8 million
Army Size and breakdown:150,000 men armed with the latest in Spanish and British arms
Navy size and breakdown:40 ships mainly of Spanish, French and British design; many of the ships are outdated.
Main trading partners/ allies:the USA, the UK, the Netherlands
Current position on Napoleon (allied, against, neutral):neutral but leaning towards Britain
Major domestic issues:an outdated Navy, corruption(in the process of being remedied)
Major foreign issues:Strained relationship with France,Spain and their allies due to Mexico's close relationship with the British, border dispute with Spain at Southern border.

History:Same as OTL up to February 15, 1780 when a massive rebellion began against the Spanish government. Said rebellion lasted until October 5th, 1787 when the Mexican rebels succeeded in throwing off the Spanish yoke. One year later, The Mexican Constitution was ratified by every state in Mexico marking November 12th, 1788 as Constitution Day. The Mexican Constitution is heavily based on on the United States Constitution with a few differences though none are major.

That better?

Yep, approved