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Should your country require everyone who can receive a COVID-19 vaccine to actually receive it?

YES
159
53%
YES, BUT there should also be exceptions for philosophical and religious reasons
20
7%
NO, BUT EMPLOYERS SHOULD DO SO THEMSELVES
15
5%
NO, BUT people should be incentivised towards taking, and/or away from not taking, a COVID-19 vaccine (perhaps through lotteries, vaccine passports, etc.)
41
14%
NO
67
22%
 
Total votes : 302

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Postby Kowani » Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:45 pm

Joe Rogan has decided the best use of his platform is to tell young people not to get vaccinated

Rogan made the claim on the April 23 edition of his highly popular Spotify podcast, “The Joe Rogan Experience,” according to Media Matters.

“If you’re, like, 21 years old, and you say to me, ‘Should I get vaccinated?’ I’ll go ‘No,’ ” says Rogan in the episode.

In the clip, Rogan says that the “vulnerable” should get the vaccine — and that he’s encouraged others to get it as well.

“People say, ‘Do you think it’s safe to get vaccinated?’ ” he adds. “I’ve said, ‘Yeah I think for the most part it’s safe to get vaccinated.’ I do. I do.”

However, when discussing the young and healthy — specifically those around that early 20s age range — he later adds, “Look, don’t do anything stupid, but you should take care of yourself. You should — if you’re a healthy person, and you’re exercising all the time, and you’re young, and you’re eating well, like, I don’t think you need to worry about this.”
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Postby CoraSpia » Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:50 pm

Kowani wrote:Joe Rogan has decided the best use of his platform is to tell young people not to get vaccinated

Rogan made the claim on the April 23 edition of his highly popular Spotify podcast, “The Joe Rogan Experience,” according to Media Matters.

“If you’re, like, 21 years old, and you say to me, ‘Should I get vaccinated?’ I’ll go ‘No,’ ” says Rogan in the episode.

In the clip, Rogan says that the “vulnerable” should get the vaccine — and that he’s encouraged others to get it as well.

“People say, ‘Do you think it’s safe to get vaccinated?’ ” he adds. “I’ve said, ‘Yeah I think for the most part it’s safe to get vaccinated.’ I do. I do.”

However, when discussing the young and healthy — specifically those around that early 20s age range — he later adds, “Look, don’t do anything stupid, but you should take care of yourself. You should — if you’re a healthy person, and you’re exercising all the time, and you’re young, and you’re eating well, like, I don’t think you need to worry about this.”

It sounds like he just decided on a very poor choice of words and that he's telling young people to wait until those who are more likely to die from the virus are vaccinated. Might not be a terrible thing to say in states where any adult can get it.
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Postby Dakini » Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:50 pm

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Dakini wrote:1. Pretty sure it is and if it's not, they'd make an exception in this case. This was Vancouver, not somewhere in the USA.
2. That was at most property damage, not assault.


The thug had the megaphone in this one.


1. The guy driving down the street with a megaphone isn't initiating "healthy debate". He's promoting his stupid views without providing others with a reasonable way to respond.
2. Nobody threw any punches. The guy hit the other guy's car with a bicycle. Repeatedly. That's not punching. Didn't you watch the clip?

I'm blind. I heard bang bang and thought it meant punch punch rather than bike bike.

So what you're saying is that you don't know what happened and you're just saying that some dude assaulted another dude and you've got him tried and convicted in your mind already?


For reference, some fucknugget was in the passenger side of a car being filmed by a driver (by the way, driving while filming your friend being a twat isn't legal as that is definitely distracted driving). He has a megaphone that he's using to yell conspiracy theories at people who are innocently going about their business. A cyclist who is clearly upset yells at him, then starts to pick up his bicycle to bludgeon the side of the car with (tires first). The fucknugget with the megaphone rolls up his window, then rolls it down again so he can continue to be a fucknugget, then the cyclist continues to follow and yells more so the fucknugget rolls the window up again and the cyclist continues to smash his bicycle against the car until one of the windows breaks.

Nobody hit another person. It was only property damage and dangerous driving.
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Postby CoraSpia » Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:51 pm

Dakini wrote:
CoraSpia wrote:I'm blind. I heard bang bang and thought it meant punch punch rather than bike bike.

So what you're saying is that you don't know what happened and you're just saying that some dude assaulted another dude when you don't know what happened?


For reference, some fucknugget was in the passenger side of a car being filmed by a driver (by the way, driving while filming your friend being a twat isn't legal as that is definitely distracted driving). He has a megaphone that he's using to yell conspiracy theories at people who are innocently going about their business. A cyclist who is clearly upset yells at him, then starts to pick up his bicycle to bludgeon the side of the car with (tires first). The fucknugget with the megaphone rolls up his window, then rolls it down again so he can continue to be a fucknugget, then the cyclist continues to follow and yells more so the fucknugget rolls the window up again and the cyclist continues to smash his bicycle against the car until one of the windows breaks.

Nobody hit another person. It was only property damage and dangerous driving.

Property damage is still a crime, you know. I'm sure that's the case in Canada as well.
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Postby Dakini » Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:53 pm

CoraSpia wrote:
Dakini wrote:So what you're saying is that you don't know what happened and you're just saying that some dude assaulted another dude when you don't know what happened?


For reference, some fucknugget was in the passenger side of a car being filmed by a driver (by the way, driving while filming your friend being a twat isn't legal as that is definitely distracted driving). He has a megaphone that he's using to yell conspiracy theories at people who are innocently going about their business. A cyclist who is clearly upset yells at him, then starts to pick up his bicycle to bludgeon the side of the car with (tires first). The fucknugget with the megaphone rolls up his window, then rolls it down again so he can continue to be a fucknugget, then the cyclist continues to follow and yells more so the fucknugget rolls the window up again and the cyclist continues to smash his bicycle against the car until one of the windows breaks.

Nobody hit another person. It was only property damage and dangerous driving.

Property damage is still a crime, you know. I'm sure that's the case in Canada as well.

Yeah, so? There were clearly aggravating factors and it's a pandemic so he probably won't get jail time. It's also probably a misdemeanor.

The driver will probably get in as much trouble for slowly cruising down the street while pointing a video camera at his stupid friend. Hell, the guy with a megaphone might also get in trouble since you're not really allowed to just run around using a megaphone to annoy people.
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Provided it's effective, good.

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I mean, technically speaking, the British Army was opposed to issuing its soldiers helmets because it was cheaper to just have them die and pay for a funeral, then replace them with fresh bodies, than it was to nurse them back to health; right up until they started running out of men.

Kina reminds me how people treat essential workers right now, now that I think about it. Fuck the workers the economy's more important baby, right up until they run out of poors to mop the floors, and cook the food.
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(Almost) every single BBC News article about India's second wave since April 1st 2021
1st April: Coronavirus update: India is facing a 'severe, intensive' second wave
7th April: India Covid-19: 'No end in sight' as doctors battle second wave
16th April: India coronavirus: Desperate Covid-19 patients turn to black market for drugs
19th April: Covid-19: How India failed to prevent a deadly second wave
20th April: Covid in Uttar Pradesh: Coronavirus overwhelms India's most populous state
21st April: Covid-19 in India: Why second coronavirus wave is devastating
22nd April (afternoon): Covid: India sees world's highest daily cases amid oxygen shortage
22nd April (night): Varanasi: The viral picture that defines India's Covid distress
23rd April (morning): Covid-19: Delhi hospitals run out of oxygen supplies
23rd April (lunchtime): A nightmare on repeat - India is running out of oxygen again
23rd April (evening): India Covid crisis: Hospitals buckle under record surge
23rd April (night): India Covid crisis: Did election rallies help spread virus?
24th April (early morning): Deaths climb as India reels from second Covid wave
24th April (mid-morning): India Covid surge: Hospitals send SOS as record deaths registered
24th April (lunchtime): India Covid: Families appeal for help in Delhi's oxygen shortage
25th April (early morning): Covid: India sets another infection record as US shows concern
25th April (mid-morning): India Covid: Patients dying without oxygen amid Delhi surge
26th April (late night): Covid-19 in India: Cases, deaths and oxygen supply
26th April (later night): India Covid: The messages deciding between life and death
27th April (afternoon): India Covid: Delhi builds makeshift funeral pyres as deaths climb
27th April (night): Why India's Covid crisis matters to the whole world
28th April (early morning): India surpasses 200,000 Covid deaths amid surge (special one-day liveblog; was the lead story on BBC.co.uk/news as of time of publication)
28th April (early afternoon): India coronavirus: Man charged over oxygen SOS for dying grandfather
28th April (late afternoon): India coronavirus: Round-the-clock mass cremations
28th April (evening): India Covid: Hospitals overwhelmed as deaths pass 200,000
29th April: India Covid-19: Deadly second wave spreads from cities to small towns

The above list does not include articles about "the Indian variant of coronavirus" (owtte), the UK's redlisting of India, the international response to India's coronavirus situation, or Twitter's moderation actions in India. It does not include articles from non-BBC sources and I do not warrant that it is anywhere near comprehensive... although I have linked to this post in the OP for future reference.
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Postby Shazbotdom » Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:08 pm

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If any of his followers approach me and harass me, they better be ready to catch these hands. I won't take that shit laying down.
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Kowani wrote:Joe Rogan has decided the best use of his platform is to tell young people not to get vaccinated

Rogan made the claim on the April 23 edition of his highly popular Spotify podcast, “The Joe Rogan Experience,” according to Media Matters.

“If you’re, like, 21 years old, and you say to me, ‘Should I get vaccinated?’ I’ll go ‘No,’ ” says Rogan in the episode.

In the clip, Rogan says that the “vulnerable” should get the vaccine — and that he’s encouraged others to get it as well.

“People say, ‘Do you think it’s safe to get vaccinated?’ ” he adds. “I’ve said, ‘Yeah I think for the most part it’s safe to get vaccinated.’ I do. I do.”

However, when discussing the young and healthy — specifically those around that early 20s age range — he later adds, “Look, don’t do anything stupid, but you should take care of yourself. You should — if you’re a healthy person, and you’re exercising all the time, and you’re young, and you’re eating well, like, I don’t think you need to worry about this.”


N-no. Joe come the fuck on.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:15 pm

Shazbotdom wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

If any of his followers approach me and harass me, they better be ready to catch these hands. I won't take that shit laying down.


I always go out In public in a group, so anyone who tries to harass me over masking and won't go away is risking getting beaten by like 8 people at once. They'd best mind their manners.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:30 pm

Tinhampton wrote:(Almost) every single BBC News article about India's second wave since April 1st 2021
1st April: Coronavirus update: India is facing a 'severe, intensive' second wave
7th April: India Covid-19: 'No end in sight' as doctors battle second wave
16th April: India coronavirus: Desperate Covid-19 patients turn to black market for drugs
19th April: Covid-19: How India failed to prevent a deadly second wave
20th April: Covid in Uttar Pradesh: Coronavirus overwhelms India's most populous state
21st April: Covid-19 in India: Why second coronavirus wave is devastating
22nd April (afternoon): Covid: India sees world's highest daily cases amid oxygen shortage
22nd April (night): Varanasi: The viral picture that defines India's Covid distress
23rd April (morning): Covid-19: Delhi hospitals run out of oxygen supplies
23rd April (lunchtime): A nightmare on repeat - India is running out of oxygen again
23rd April (evening): India Covid crisis: Hospitals buckle under record surge
23rd April (night): India Covid crisis: Did election rallies help spread virus?
24th April (early morning): Deaths climb as India reels from second Covid wave
24th April (mid-morning): India Covid surge: Hospitals send SOS as record deaths registered
24th April (lunchtime): India Covid: Families appeal for help in Delhi's oxygen shortage
25th April (early morning): Covid: India sets another infection record as US shows concern
25th April (mid-morning): India Covid: Patients dying without oxygen amid Delhi surge
26th April (late night): Covid-19 in India: Cases, deaths and oxygen supply
26th April (later night): India Covid: The messages deciding between life and death
27th April (afternoon): India Covid: Delhi builds makeshift funeral pyres as deaths climb
27th April (night): Why India's Covid crisis matters to the whole world
28th April: India surpasses 200,000 Covid deaths amid surge (special one-day liveblog; was the lead story on BBC.co.uk/news as of time of publication)

The above list does not include articles about "the Indian variant of coronavirus" (owtte), the UK's redlisting of India, the international response to India's coronavirus situation, or Twitter's moderation actions in India. It does not include articles from non-BBC sources and I do not warrant that it is anywhere near comprehensive... although I have linked to this post in the OP for future reference.


I find it deeply disturbing that the Indian government is asking social media companies to remove critical posts and even more disturbing that the social media companies are complying with it. These whistle blowers are providing accurate case and death counts while the Indian government is undercounting.


Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Kowani wrote:Joe Rogan has decided the best use of his platform is to tell young people not to get vaccinated

Rogan made the claim on the April 23 edition of his highly popular Spotify podcast, “The Joe Rogan Experience,” according to Media Matters.

“If you’re, like, 21 years old, and you say to me, ‘Should I get vaccinated?’ I’ll go ‘No,’ ” says Rogan in the episode.

In the clip, Rogan says that the “vulnerable” should get the vaccine — and that he’s encouraged others to get it as well.

“People say, ‘Do you think it’s safe to get vaccinated?’ ” he adds. “I’ve said, ‘Yeah I think for the most part it’s safe to get vaccinated.’ I do. I do.”

However, when discussing the young and healthy — specifically those around that early 20s age range — he later adds, “Look, don’t do anything stupid, but you should take care of yourself. You should — if you’re a healthy person, and you’re exercising all the time, and you’re young, and you’re eating well, like, I don’t think you need to worry about this.”


N-no. Joe come the fuck on.


You’re surprised that Joe DMT Rogan is against vaccines? I hardly ever listen to him and I’m not surprised one bit. *Psst. This type of stuff is why I dislike populism.*



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Shazbotdom wrote:If any of his followers approach me and harass me, they better be ready to catch these hands. I won't take that shit laying down.


I always go out In public in a group, so anyone who tries to harass me over masking and won't go away is risking getting beaten by like 8 people at once. They'd best mind their manners.



That’s nice. 99% of the time I go out, I’m alone. However, I live in a progressive city, so I should be safe from crazy anti-maskers.
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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Shazbotdom wrote:If any of his followers approach me and harass me, they better be ready to catch these hands. I won't take that shit laying down.


I always go out In public in a group, so anyone who tries to harass me over masking and won't go away is risking getting beaten by like 8 people at once. They'd best mind their manners.


Well, I already had to refuse service at my job to some anti-maskers.
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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
I always go out In public in a group, so anyone who tries to harass me over masking and won't go away is risking getting beaten by like 8 people at once. They'd best mind their manners.


Well, I already had to refuse service at my job to some anti-maskers.


I would suck working retail during this pandemic. I wouldn’t be nice to anti-maskers. :p
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Postby Shazbotdom » Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:36 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Shazbotdom wrote:
Well, I already had to refuse service at my job to some anti-maskers.


I would suck working retail during this pandemic. I wouldn’t be nice to anti-maskers. :p


Well, I work at a Restaurant. But, it's the same thing. Thankfully I haven't had one of the crazy ones that refuse to leave.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:42 pm

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I would suck working retail during this pandemic. I wouldn’t be nice to anti-maskers. :p


Well, I work at a Restaurant. But, it's the same thing. Thankfully I haven't had one of the crazy ones that refuse to leave.


In Minnesota, you have to wear a mask when once you go in, but once seated, you can take your mask off.
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Postby Shazbotdom » Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:44 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Shazbotdom wrote:
Well, I work at a Restaurant. But, it's the same thing. Thankfully I haven't had one of the crazy ones that refuse to leave.


In Minnesota, you have to wear a mask when once you go in, but once seated, you can take your mask off.


Same here, but they try to come in without a mask on. We even put in outdoor seating for those who don't want to wear a mask, but they keep saying that we cannot mandate that they wear a mask to enter the building.

Then you tell them that it's private property and we can mandate whatever we want and they shut up and leave.
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Postby Nakena » Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:44 pm

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Kowani wrote:Joe Rogan has decided the best use of his platform is to tell young people not to get vaccinated

Rogan made the claim on the April 23 edition of his highly popular Spotify podcast, “The Joe Rogan Experience,” according to Media Matters.

“If you’re, like, 21 years old, and you say to me, ‘Should I get vaccinated?’ I’ll go ‘No,’ ” says Rogan in the episode.

In the clip, Rogan says that the “vulnerable” should get the vaccine — and that he’s encouraged others to get it as well.

“People say, ‘Do you think it’s safe to get vaccinated?’ ” he adds. “I’ve said, ‘Yeah I think for the most part it’s safe to get vaccinated.’ I do. I do.”

However, when discussing the young and healthy — specifically those around that early 20s age range — he later adds, “Look, don’t do anything stupid, but you should take care of yourself. You should — if you’re a healthy person, and you’re exercising all the time, and you’re young, and you’re eating well, like, I don’t think you need to worry about this.”


N-no. Joe come the fuck on.


This but unironically.

He should get his head out of that trashcan.

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Well, I work at a Restaurant. But, it's the same thing. Thankfully I haven't had one of the crazy ones that refuse to leave.


In Minnesota, you have to wear a mask when once you go in, but once seated, you can take your mask off.

That’s how it is in WV. Though I’ve heard rumors that Justice is gonna lift the mask mandate in mid-May.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:45 pm

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N-no. Joe come the fuck on.


This but unironically.

He should get his head out of that trashcan.


He should lay off the DMT
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North Washington Republic wrote:
Nakena wrote:
This but unironically.

He should get his head out of that trashcan.


He should lay off the DMT


I don't think that this is the problem here.

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He should lay off the DMT


I don't think that this is the problem here.


You sure about that?
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Postby Nakena » Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:02 pm

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I don't think that this is the problem here.


You sure about that?


Yeah if you analyze the statement, it's more something that comes out of an its-probably-not-as-wild filter and life attitude. That can kind of shield you towards not taking things literally. It's useful in politics and when dealing with most human behaviour. It also helps with running a show where he invites all sort of weirdos.

It's wrong though when you're dealing with a threat or thing like a virus because theres it's no element or thing that is in it's essence and effect the subject to human behaviour or interpretation. (except that it uses human body's as breeding reactor)

It's a life form that follow it's own logic and pattern.

People who ignore that and judge it by human standards - or by human reactions to it - are on the wrong way. And joe is definetively there.
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