The Napoleonic Wars(Alt-Hist)(OOC)(OPEN)

[Orostan]

We can move forward Napolean's coup to 1797.

Also, if we start in 1797 we are fighting the war of the First Coalition and I would be about to destroy Austria. I am open to having the coup occur earlier for one reason or the other but almost any start date will put as at war with each other.

[Orostan]

This is alt history so not everything is going to happen as it did.


If you want to advance the time forward to 1799 reply "aye"

If you do not, say "nay"

I think we should start on May 1st 1798, this way I can say Napoleon has his coup earlier and nobody is at war.

[Zarnicovia nova]

Nation Name: qing empire
Leader: Emporer Huang Jin the II
Type of Government: Chinese imperial system/heavenly kingdom system. (Chinese/Asian version of the HRE just without elections)
Territory:
Population: 200 million
Army Size and breakdown: 5 million. 98% of which are untrained, barely armed militias, 1% is extremely (but outdated) trained, medium armed imperial guards men, and the last 1% are extremely well trained horse men. They're armed are outdated tho.
Navy size and breakdown: 200 ships, 190 of which are converted Chinese trade vessels, 5 of which are korean huangs, and the 5 European style mass boats
Main trading partners/ allies: Korea, and basically all of southeast asia.
Current position on Napoleon (allied, against, neutral): Nuetral
Major domestic issues: Rebellions(Not big yet), and industrialization.
Major foreign issues: establishing European relation, and trade

History: The qing came from manchuria invading the weaken ming army. over many wars and generations, the ming army finally collapsed to the great manchus. only peace and sucessfully has come to the heavenly middle kingdom (What china calls it's self) but the heavenly mandate is beginning to waine as the racks in the qing start to show. Europeans take our country hostage and, rebels within call for our dimize. The new heir believes in the revolution while his father (The emperor currently) does not.

[Bolslania]

Nation Name: qing empire
Leader: Emporer Huang Jin the II
Type of Government: Chinese imperial system/heavenly kingdom system. (Chinese/Asian version of the HRE just without elections)
Territory: ([url=https://i.ibb.co/cyFGgJK/QING-FOREVER.jpg]Image)[/url]
Population: 200 million
Army Size and breakdown: 5 million. 98% of which are untrained, barely armed militias, 1% is extremely (but outdated) trained, medium armed imperial guards men, and the last 1% are extremely well trained horse men. They're armed are outdated tho.
Navy size and breakdown: 200 ships, 190 of which are converted Chinese trade vessels, 5 of which are korean huangs, and the 5 European style mass boats
Main trading partners/ allies: Korea, and basically all of southeast asia.
Current position on Napoleon (allied, against, neutral): Nuetral
Major domestic issues: Rebellions(Not big yet), and industrialization.
Major foreign issues: establishing European relation, and trade

History: The qing came from manchuria invading the weaken ming army. over many wars and generations, the ming army finally collapsed to the great manchus. only peace and sucessfully has come to the heavenly middle kingdom (What china calls it's self) but the heavenly mandate is beginning to waine as the racks in the qing start to show. Europeans take our country hostage and, rebels within call for our dimize. The new heir believes in the revolution while his father (The emperor currently) does not.

Im gonna have to say no to the naval size, army size unless you can provide me with an ORBAT from the time period.


Also, please provide more detail in your bio and issues.

Saying industrialization doesn't tell me anything, most nations hadn't begun industrializing until the 1850s

[Zarnicovia nova]

Nation Name: qing empire
Leader: Emporer Huang Jin the II
Type of Government: Chinese imperial system/heavenly kingdom system. (Chinese/Asian version of the HRE just without elections)
Territory: ([url=https://i.ibb.co/cyFGgJK/QING-FOREVER.jpg]Image)[/url]
Population: 200 million
Army Size and breakdown: 5 million. 98% of which are untrained, barely armed militias, 1% is extremely (but outdated) trained, medium armed imperial guards men, and the last 1% are extremely well trained horse men. They're armed are outdated tho.
Navy size and breakdown: 200 ships, 190 of which are converted Chinese trade vessels, 5 of which are korean huangs, and the 5 European style mass boats
Main trading partners/ allies: Korea, and basically all of southeast asia.
Current position on Napoleon (allied, against, neutral): Nuetral
Major domestic issues: Rebellions(Not big yet), and industrialization.
Major foreign issues: establishing European relation, and trade

History: The qing came from manchuria invading the weaken ming army. over many wars and generations, the ming army finally collapsed to the great manchus. only peace and sucessfully has come to the heavenly middle kingdom (What china calls it's self) but the heavenly mandate is beginning to waine as the racks in the qing start to show. Europeans take our country hostage and, rebels within call for our dimize. The new heir believes in the revolution while his father (The emperor currently) does not.

Im gonna have to say no to the naval size, army size unless you can provide me with an ORBAT from the time period.


Also, please provide more detail in your bio and issues.

Saying industrialization doesn't tell me anything, most nations hadn't begun industrializing until the 1850s

inudstrialization/westernization. I just know it from EU4. china has to do it. It's like adopting western technology and traditions. IDK they removed it. China was starting to go down a division between conservative traditions and liberals western caught middle class. It caused rebellions like the boxer rebellion. basically should china become a western nation with large economic or keep with the same stuff as before. And the industrial revolution started in 1760 and ended in 1840(By definition, maybe not by reality). https://www.britannica.com/event/Industrial-Revolution

some military facts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_ ... 0the%20war.
I searched it up. wiki says qing had around 1 million and had large cavalry units but neglected.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Is Venice in existence?

[Chinniwana]

This is alt history so not everything is going to happen as it did.


If you want to advance the time forward to 1799 reply "aye"

If you do not, say "nay"

Aye.

I wrote my history as if it were 1800. That's when the French were being expelled out of Egypt.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Nay. I want to either unify Italy as Venice or be arms dealers.

[Imperium of Rus]

Nation Name: Sublime Sultanate of the Ottoman Empire

Leader: Selim III

Type of Government: Absolute Monarchy

Territory: This Map: https://ibb.co/BPRqB86

Population: 2,550,000, with the majority being Turkish and following Sunni Islam, though the Bulgarian and Greek minorities in the east following Orthodox christianity.

Army Size and breakdown: 167,000 poorly trained ,non-modernized, and poorly equipped soldiers, with 750 well trained, modernized, and equipped royal guards defending the palace.

Navy size and breakdown: The Ottoman navy is of poor condition, never living up to its strength in the old days. It is made of roughly 250 Converted trade ships, with the many naval yards being out of repair, and proper ships are far and few. They are mostly in the black sea, where naval dominance there cant be threatened by most Christian European powers, with barely any stationed in the Mediterranean, as it is too dangerous since naval dominance is limited to the areas near the coast.

Main trading partners/ allies: Empire of Tatarstan, it has few relations otherwise, as most nations in Europe are hostile to the simple idea of another Islamic empire.

Current position on Napoleon (allied, against, neutral): Neutral

Major domestic issues: Many of the Bulgarians and Greeks wish to leave the empire, much to the dismay of the sultan and his government, but if the rebellion happens, only time will tell if the Ottomans can crush it, and if they fail, Will the sick man Die?

Major foreign issues: Many in the empire are concerned of an invasion by the Austrians, or even a crusade against the empire that would kill it once and for all, though its cordial relations with Tatarstan may keep this at bay.

History: In 1453 after taking Constantinopole, things were looking up for the empire, as it had once again unified anatolia, but this mood would end after the disastrous loss in the Battle of Chaldiran in 1514 to the Safavid Empire in Persia, halting Ottoman expansion in the east to a halt. The empire had initial success in the Balkans, though in the Battle of Mohács, the Ottoman Empire faced a disastrous loss, but the king of Hungary was killed, but later replaced by the Habsburg monarchy, preventing Hungary from falling into chaos. When the Ottoman Empire attempted to seize Cyprus from the Venetians, they were met with a catastrophic naval battle that resulted in the near entire destruction of the Ottoman fleet.

Today, the empire is sick, crumbling, and dying. Only by some stroke of luck, could it see to survive. The sick man may die.

[Monsone]

This is alt history so not everything is going to happen as it did.


If you want to advance the time forward to 1799 reply "aye"

If you do not, say "nay"

Aye, I am hoping to force George III to make some radical changes because of the 1798 rebellion in Ireland (even more dramatic than IRL).

[Bolslania]

Qing China and Ottoman Sultanate approved

Time advanced to 1799

[Orostan]

Qing China and Ottoman Sultanate approved

Time advanced to 1799

Do the Qing need to abandon Manchuria, and what date exactly in 1799?

[Orostan]

People are already posting - is this 1797 when I'm about to win against the first coalition or is this 1798 between wars, or is 1799 at the start of the war with the second coalition?

[Hopal]

Sorry, I've been a bit busy today, expect a post tomorrow.

[Chinniwana]

I too shall have a post tomorrow. 1799 means I am soon to be invaded by France though.

[Orostan]

I too shall have a post tomorrow. 1799 means I am soon to be invaded by France though.

guess i'll post about invading you. If it is January 1st, I'm already in Egypt.

[Chinniwana]

I too shall have a post tomorrow. 1799 means I am soon to be invaded by France though.

guess i'll post about invading you. If it is January 1st, I'm already in Egypt.

Kay, then after your post, I will post. Fingers crossed that the War goes as it did IRL.

[Sao Nova Europa]

A fellow Muslim

Welcome Ottoman friends

[Imperium of Rus]

A fellow Muslim

Welcome Ottoman friends

Hello.

[Greater Liverpool]

Can I reserve Eastern Anatolia, Armenia and Iraq

[Bolslania]

People are already posting - is this 1797 when I'm about to win against the first coalition or is this 1798 between wars, or is 1799 at the start of the war with the second coalition?

There was some confusion, but it has been decided that the start date has been advanced to 1799. This is alt-history so we dont need to be at war just yet

[Bolslania]

Can I reserve Eastern Anatolia, Armenia and Iraq

Sure, just give me a nation name for admin purposes

[Zarnicovia nova]

Qing China and Ottoman Sultanate approved

Time advanced to 1799

Do the Qing need to abandon Manchuria, and what date exactly in 1799?

I would believe not as it looks that the tatarate is basically just Mongolian russia. The golden horde formed russia and from unforward did what russia did IRL. given that the map which they choose was a map of russia's borders, in 1856. (in 1800: russian alaska/america was bigger. russia lacked tanna tuva, parts Kazakstan and outer(and central)manchuria. which we're all qing. They demanded these lands from qing to make up for the crimean war which hasn't happened yet. finalnd and livonia would be puppets/in a personal union with russia. and prussia would own Poland. As russia took Poland from prussia while 'liberating' poland-prussia area from France.

[Bolslania]

Do the Qing need to abandon Manchuria, and what date exactly in 1799?

I would believe not as it looks that the tatarate is basically just Mongolian russia. The golden horde formed russia and from unforward did what russia did IRL. given that the map which they choose was a map of russia's borders, in 1856. (in 1800: russian alaska/america was bigger. russia lacked tanna tuva, parts Kazakstan and outer(and central)manchuria. which we're all qing. They demanded these lands from qing to make up for the crimean war which hasn't happened yet. finalnd and livonia would be puppets/in a personal union with russia. and prussia would own Poland. As russia took Poland from prussia while 'liberating' poland-prussia area from France.

I am actually going to have to step in here, Sao Nova Europa's app does state that he controls Manchuria

[Zarnicovia nova]

I would believe not as it looks that the tatarate is basically just Mongolian russia. The golden horde formed russia and from unforward did what russia did IRL. given that the map which they choose was a map of russia's borders, in 1856. (in 1800: russian alaska/america was bigger. russia lacked tanna tuva, parts Kazakstan and outer(and central)manchuria. which we're all qing. They demanded these lands from qing to make up for the crimean war which hasn't happened yet. finalnd and livonia would be puppets/in a personal union with russia. and prussia would own Poland. As russia took Poland from prussia while 'liberating' poland-prussia area from France.

I am actually going to have to step in here, Sao Nova Europa's app does state that he controls Manchuria

yeah, but mongolia would be much closer to manchuria where the qing come from. And not having manchuria. manchuria is literally the qing's birth place. His history sounds like the golden horse (which is from the don area) formed russia and then continued as basically the same history as russia. Manchuria is the literal birth place of the qing.

The manchus formed qing. They would have there home place (In some part)