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Do you think white supermascists should be able to express their views?

Yes
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No
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:19 pm

The number of people using bad science to try and combat pseudoscience is matched only by the amount of people using racism (fetishization) to try and combat racism. Amazing.
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Postby Cekovia » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:26 pm

Kowani wrote:
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very odd of U to appeal to science here when U are explicitly ignoring ridiculous amounts of evidence for seemingly no good reason

you don't have to be Professor X to know the reason

yeah that is Why i said no good reason lolll
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Postby Kowani » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:28 pm

Suriyanakhon wrote:The number of people using bad science to try and combat pseudoscience is matched only by the amount of people using racism (fetishization) to try and combat racism. Amazing.

being an anti-racist is never easy
that's why you should read these highly overpriced books written by white liberals to tell you what you can do to fight racism!
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Postby Cekovia » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:28 pm

Fahran wrote:
Cekovia wrote:sai, a single population of hardy organisms can easily colonize essentially the entire world when given access to technology like weapons and boats (Which humans had). particularly for the latter take a look at any number of cockroaches with a virtually worldwide distribution from riding ships (blattella germanica, periplaneta americana, blatta orientalis, pycnoscelus surinamensis..) and those are cockroaches so think about People.

very odd of U to appeal to science here when U are explicitly ignoring ridiculous amounts of evidence for seemingly no good reason

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Postby Fahran » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:31 pm

Kowani wrote:being an anti-racist is never easy
that's why you should read these highly overpriced books written by white liberals to tell you what you can do to fight racism!

Why read ideology when you can be bashed in the head with evolutionary theory and taxonomy for several hours each week?

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Postby Grenartia » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:35 pm

Kowani wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:The number of people using bad science to try and combat pseudoscience is matched only by the amount of people using racism (fetishization) to try and combat racism. Amazing.

being an anti-racist is never easy
that's why you should read these highly overpriced books written by white liberals to tell you what you can do to fight racism!


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Postby New haven america » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:52 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Drew Durrnil wrote:That's wrong and stupid.


It makes more sense than the "out of Africa" theory from my perspective. As if a single population of people in a single place was capable of settling the entire rest of the world. The perils of traveling on foot was so great that it'd of been impossible whilst people were hunter gatherers.

Just as it isn't likely that people used to be nothing more than apes or some type of lower primate. Unless a "missing link" skeleton is ever found completely intact, I don't believe people ever evolved from apes or monkeys. The only thing in common is that we have opposible thumbs.

I'd say it is like the big bang, in that no one knows how or why it happened beyond that it did at some point because we're here. The most simple and straightforward explanation is that "God did it!" but it is so simple and straightforward as to not be a valid answer scientifically.

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Postby Odreria » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:58 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Drew Durrnil wrote:That's wrong and stupid.


It makes more sense than the "out of Africa" theory from my perspective. As if a single population of people in a single place was capable of settling the entire rest of the world. The perils of traveling on foot was so great that it'd of been impossible whilst people were hunter gatherers.

Hunter gatherers traveled on foot often, hope this helps!
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Postby Neanderthaland » Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:01 pm

Odreria wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
It makes more sense than the "out of Africa" theory from my perspective. As if a single population of people in a single place was capable of settling the entire rest of the world. The perils of traveling on foot was so great that it'd of been impossible whilst people were hunter gatherers.

Hunter gatherers traveled on foot often, hope this helps!

Moreover, speaking as a member of a population that "emerged independently in Europe" (well, the Middle East, but whatever), I kind of take offence to Sapiens taking credit for it.
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Postby Grenartia » Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:23 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Odreria wrote:Hunter gatherers traveled on foot often, hope this helps!

Moreover, speaking as a member of a population that "emerged independently in Europe" (well, the Middle East, but whatever), I kind of take offence to Sapiens taking credit for it.


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Postby Katganistan » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:22 pm

Cekovia wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:I know I'm not a moderator, but can we please get back to white supremacy, not porn.

yes yes ok Good point i get riled up Easily on that topic . anyway men of color are inferior to white people but i think that women of all races are equal

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Postby Saiwania » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:59 pm

Grenartia wrote:Your obsession with "racial homogeneity" is little more than a thinly-veiled incest fetish, and your begrudging acceptance of 'limited race-mixing' is nothing but a transparent attempt to desire to stave off the Hapsburgization of your racial group that inevitably would result from said inbreeding.

There, I said it.


No, it's really not. As I explained, if two people of different races have children together, the skin color isn't going to be the same for the offspring. Hence, it doesn't help the goal of keeping the same race groups or major skin colors intact.

The White race is plenty diverse genetically speaking, whilst still having the same skin color. The same isn't necessarily true if the expectation was that people stay in their respective ethnic groups. Some ethnic groups such as the Han in China are large enough to where inbreeding isn't a big problem, whilst other ethnic groups might be too small to where it is more practical for such people to reproduce with a different ethnic group that is different but similar enough to be compatible.

So long as the skin color stays the same, it isn't a big deal if the other traits such as hair or eye colors change.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:09 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Grenartia wrote:Your obsession with "racial homogeneity" is little more than a thinly-veiled incest fetish, and your begrudging acceptance of 'limited race-mixing' is nothing but a transparent attempt to desire to stave off the Hapsburgization of your racial group that inevitably would result from said inbreeding.

There, I said it.


No, it's really not. As I explained, if two people of different races have children together, the skin color isn't going to be the same for the offspring. Hence, it doesn't help the goal of keeping the same race groups or major skin colors intact.

The White race is plenty diverse genetically speaking, whilst still having the same skin color. The same isn't necessarily true if the expectation was that people stay in their respective ethnic groups. Some ethnic groups such as the Han in China are large enough to where inbreeding isn't a big problem, whilst other ethnic groups might be too small to where it is more practical for such people to reproduce with a different ethnic group that is different but similar enough to be compatible.

So long as the skin color stays the same, it isn't a big deal if the other traits such as hair or eye colors change.


I still fail to understand why this matters at all. Everyone is equal regardless of race, religion or ethnicity. Why shouldn't anyone care?
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Postby Neu California » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:24 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Drew Durrnil wrote:That's wrong and stupid.


It makes more sense than the "out of Africa" theory from my perspective. As if a single population of people in a single place was capable of settling the entire rest of the world. The perils of traveling on foot was so great that it'd of been impossible whilst people were hunter gatherers.

Just as it isn't likely that people used to be nothing more than apes or some type of lower primate. Unless a "missing link" skeleton is ever found completely intact, I don't believe people ever evolved from apes or monkeys. The only thing in common is that we have opposible thumbs.

I'd say it is like the big bang, in that no one knows how or why it happened beyond that it did at some point because we're here. The most simple and straightforward explanation is that "God did it!" but it is so simple and straightforward as to not be a valid answer scientifically.

So, how quickly do you think hunter-gatherers would have to have moved from south-east Africa to the rest of the world? Because my understanding is that it took tens of thousands of years of moving outward a little bit at a time as areas became too crowded and resources too few to support their population at the time. It was hardly some overnight process.
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Postby New haven america » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:25 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
White people independently originated in Europe, just as Blacks independently originated in Africa, Asians in Asia and so on.


Basic genetics and the entire fossil record of humankind utterly disprove this bullshit.

With bridge ethnicities or racial groups developing in the locations between the major continents/landmarks as a result of people reproducing outside their race/ethnicity. Koreans for example, can be seen as the genetic bridge between Chinese and Japanese people broadly speaking.

Miscegenation isn't a bad thing 100% of the time, there is perhaps a place for it. But the difference is that it should be rare and not made normal or typical like is too often the case for today's era in cosmopolitan cities/locales. I can accept it only to enough of an extent where it won't threaten the single race populations remaining majorities in their respective regions or homelands but no more beyond that.


Your obsession with "racial homogeneity" is little more than a thinly-veiled incest fetish, and your begrudging acceptance of 'limited race-mixing' is nothing but a transparent attempt to desire to stave off the Hapsburgization of your racial group that inevitably would result from said inbreeding.

There, I said it.

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Postby Grenartia » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:27 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Grenartia wrote:Your obsession with "racial homogeneity" is little more than a thinly-veiled incest fetish, and your begrudging acceptance of 'limited race-mixing' is nothing but a transparent attempt to desire to stave off the Hapsburgization of your racial group that inevitably would result from said inbreeding.

There, I said it.


No, it's really not. As I explained, if two people of different races have children together, the skin color isn't going to be the same for the offspring. Hence, it doesn't help the goal of keeping the same race groups or major skin colors intact.

The White race is plenty diverse genetically speaking, whilst still having the same skin color. The same isn't necessarily true if the expectation was that people stay in their respective ethnic groups. Some ethnic groups such as the Han in China are large enough to where inbreeding isn't a big problem, whilst other ethnic groups might be too small to where it is more practical for such people to reproduce with a different ethnic group that is different but similar enough to be compatible.

So long as the skin color stays the same, it isn't a big deal if the other traits such as hair or eye colors change.


Why should anyone give a shit about "skin color stay same" (inb4 some bullshit about "muh IQ" or "hurr durr 13/50")? It honestly really does reek of having an inbreeding fetish. Ultimately, that's the logical consequence of your bullshit. Today its "keeping the white race pure". Tomorrow, its going back to "keeping the Irish from tainting our pure Anglo-Saxon blood" (there is clear historical precedence for this). The day after that, you'll probably want to keep your state's WASPs free from the 'influence' of some neighboring state's WASPs (based on the trajectory of an ever-shrinking pool of "acceptable" persons to intermingle and breed with). And then your county, and then your neighborhood. The logical consequence of this is that only your family members will be pure enough for you.
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Postby Nevertopia » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:30 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
No, it's really not. As I explained, if two people of different races have children together, the skin color isn't going to be the same for the offspring. Hence, it doesn't help the goal of keeping the same race groups or major skin colors intact.

The White race is plenty diverse genetically speaking, whilst still having the same skin color. The same isn't necessarily true if the expectation was that people stay in their respective ethnic groups. Some ethnic groups such as the Han in China are large enough to where inbreeding isn't a big problem, whilst other ethnic groups might be too small to where it is more practical for such people to reproduce with a different ethnic group that is different but similar enough to be compatible.

So long as the skin color stays the same, it isn't a big deal if the other traits such as hair or eye colors change.


Why should anyone give a shit about "skin color stay same" (inb4 some bullshit about "muh IQ" or "hurr durr 13/50")? It honestly really does reek of having an inbreeding fetish. Ultimately, that's the logical consequence of your bullshit. Today its "keeping the white race pure". Tomorrow, its going back to "keeping the Irish from tainting our pure Anglo-Saxon blood" (there is clear historical precedence for this). The day after that, you'll probably want to keep your state's WASPs free from the 'influence' of some neighboring state's WASPs (based on the trajectory of an ever-shrinking pool of "acceptable" persons to intermingle and breed with). And then your county, and then your neighborhood. The logical consequence of this is that only your family members will be pure enough for you.

once again youre bringing in your personal baggage in a discussion instead of properly expressing your counterpoints to an argument. Please keep it on topic instead of using "inbreeding fetish" as your main talking point, you make your position weaker this way.
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Postby Saiwania » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:30 pm

Grenartia wrote:Why should anyone give a shit about "skin color stay same" (inb4 some bullshit about "muh IQ" or "hurr durr 13/50")? It honestly really does reek of having an inbreeding fetish. Ultimately, that's the logical consequence of your bullshit.


None of that logically follows, unless you believe a slippery slope is inevitable. But I do not. For me, it is sufficient to know that White skin won't fade towards extinction. If there were enough majority White countries with limited to no non-White immigration, I perhaps wouldn't worry any about the future prospects for my race or skin color.
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Postby Neu California » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:32 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Grenartia wrote:Why should anyone give a shit about "skin color stay same" (inb4 some bullshit about "muh IQ" or "hurr durr 13/50")? It honestly really does reek of having an inbreeding fetish. Ultimately, that's the logical consequence of your bullshit.


None of that logically follows, unless you believe a slippery slope is inevitable. But I do not. For me, it is sufficient to know that White skin won't fade towards extinction. If there were enough majority White countries with limited to no non-White immigration, I perhaps wouldn't worry any about the future prospects for my race or skin color.

Still doesn't explain the "why"
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:33 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Grenartia wrote:Why should anyone give a shit about "skin color stay same" (inb4 some bullshit about "muh IQ" or "hurr durr 13/50")? It honestly really does reek of having an inbreeding fetish. Ultimately, that's the logical consequence of your bullshit.


None of that logically follows, unless you believe a slippery slope is inevitable. But I do not. For me, it is sufficient to know that White skin won't fade towards extinction. If there were enough majority White countries with limited to no non-White immigration, I perhaps wouldn't worry any about the future prospects for my race or skin color.


Who the hell cares?! Being white doesn't make you special. You once said that someone non white getting elected in a majority white area would mean that someone like you couldn't win there anymore or something along those lines but you basically said it was a bad thing.

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Postby Nevertopia » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:37 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
None of that logically follows, unless you believe a slippery slope is inevitable. But I do not. For me, it is sufficient to know that White skin won't fade towards extinction. If there were enough majority White countries with limited to no non-White immigration, I perhaps wouldn't worry any about the future prospects for my race or skin color.


Who the hell cares?! Being white doesn't make you special. You once said that someone non white getting elected in a majority white area would mean that someone like you couldn't win there anymore or something along those lines but you basically said it was a bad thing.


can we first agree that racism/white supremacy is bad?
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Postby Grenartia » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:39 pm

Nevertopia wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Why should anyone give a shit about "skin color stay same" (inb4 some bullshit about "muh IQ" or "hurr durr 13/50")? It honestly really does reek of having an inbreeding fetish. Ultimately, that's the logical consequence of your bullshit. Today its "keeping the white race pure". Tomorrow, its going back to "keeping the Irish from tainting our pure Anglo-Saxon blood" (there is clear historical precedence for this). The day after that, you'll probably want to keep your state's WASPs free from the 'influence' of some neighboring state's WASPs (based on the trajectory of an ever-shrinking pool of "acceptable" persons to intermingle and breed with). And then your county, and then your neighborhood. The logical consequence of this is that only your family members will be pure enough for you.

once again youre bringing in your personal baggage in a discussion instead of properly expressing your counterpoints to an argument. Please keep it on topic instead of using "inbreeding fetish" as your main talking point, you make your position weaker this way.


Lol, my "personal baggage". Dude's an unironic Nazi (seriously, he's actually praised Hitler), and you're pearl-clutching over me not treating it as an ideology worthy of respect. Nazism is to be mocked and destroyed, not debated as if it is legitimate.

Saiwania wrote:
Grenartia wrote:Why should anyone give a shit about "skin color stay same" (inb4 some bullshit about "muh IQ" or "hurr durr 13/50")? It honestly really does reek of having an inbreeding fetish. Ultimately, that's the logical consequence of your bullshit.


None of that logically follows, unless you believe a slippery slope is inevitable. But I do not. For me, it is sufficient to know that White skin won't fade towards extinction. If there were enough majority White countries with limited to no non-White immigration, I perhaps wouldn't worry any about the future prospects for my race or skin color.


You treat human demographics like dog breeds. And dog breeding is notoriously reliant on inbreeding.
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Postby Nevertopia » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:42 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Nevertopia wrote:once again youre bringing in your personal baggage in a discussion instead of properly expressing your counterpoints to an argument. Please keep it on topic instead of using "inbreeding fetish" as your main talking point, you make your position weaker this way.


Lol, my "personal baggage". Dude's an unironic Nazi (seriously, he's actually praised Hitler), and you're pearl-clutching over me not treating it as an ideology worthy of respect. Nazism is to be mocked and destroyed, not debated as if it is legitimate.

Saiwania wrote:
None of that logically follows, unless you believe a slippery slope is inevitable. But I do not. For me, it is sufficient to know that White skin won't fade towards extinction. If there were enough majority White countries with limited to no non-White immigration, I perhaps wouldn't worry any about the future prospects for my race or skin color.


You treat human demographics like dog breeds. And dog breeding is notoriously reliant on inbreeding.

What I care about is iron-manning instead of straw-manning your argument. If what you say is true, then make it as strong an argument as possible. When you use "inbreeding fetish" as an argument against racism, you open up a target for racists to weaken your position. You bring the rest of us down with you. Do better.
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Postby Grenartia » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:42 pm

Neu California wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
None of that logically follows, unless you believe a slippery slope is inevitable. But I do not. For me, it is sufficient to know that White skin won't fade towards extinction. If there were enough majority White countries with limited to no non-White immigration, I perhaps wouldn't worry any about the future prospects for my race or skin color.

Still doesn't explain the "why"


The "why" is irrelevant. All you'll get out of him on that front is dogwhistling about IQ and crime, or vague appeals to "sken culler".
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