US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread III

[Islamic Holy Sites]

Let's assume he took out the taser and tasered that person, would it still be acceptable? What was his crime?

Evading arrest I would think. They learned he had a warrant and he tried to get back in the car, zapping him in that situation is pretty normal. But to just shoot the shit out of him? Na. That chick needs to be hit with some murder charges.

Oh, thanks for telling me.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Let's assume he took out the taser and tasered that person, would it still be acceptable? What was his crime?

He was resisting arrest. Granted, not a good look, but I don't subscribe to the mouth-frothing, moronic idea that an officer has the right to mag-dump on somebody evading arrest (not saying you do, just that a lot of folks do). It's the same thing with folks who try to justify the deaths of other unarmed black men, by saying "oh well they were doing criminal acts, so why feel sympathy?"

It's probably not safe to do that while they're in a car they'e trying to drive, though. There's a good chance of causing an accident by doing that

[Major-Tom]

He was resisting arrest. Granted, not a good look, but I don't subscribe to the mouth-frothing, moronic idea that an officer has the right to mag-dump on somebody evading arrest (not saying you do, just that a lot of folks do). It's the same thing with folks who try to justify the deaths of other unarmed black men, by saying "oh well they were doing criminal acts, so why feel sympathy?"

It's probably not safe to do that while they're in a car they'e trying to drive, though. There's a good chance of causing an accident by doing that

I'm not sure I'm following, are you saying the officer added insult to injury by shooting someone operating a motor vehicle?

[CoraSpia]

It's probably not safe to do that while they're in a car they'e trying to drive, though. There's a good chance of causing an accident by doing that

I'm not sure I'm following, are you saying the officer added insult to injury by shooting someone operating a motor vehicle?

Using a tazer or a gun on someone operating a car is probably not a good idea either way.

[Major-Tom]

I'm not sure I'm following, are you saying the officer added insult to injury by shooting someone operating a motor vehicle?

Using a tazer or a gun on someone operating a car is probably not a good idea either way.

I agree.

[Senkaku]

How does one not realize they are holding a gun instead of a taser?

a tazer's like 4 times lighter than a glock, and you have to draw it with your weaker hand
i don't get how on earth this worked

It’s very simple: she decided “I’m gonna shoot him and say I meant to draw my taser”

[Reploid Productions]

Grabs shotgun don’t worry i’m only going to talk with the 19% who think looting and rioting is justified and the 16% that want the police abolished

Yeah, backhandedly going "Lawl gonna GRAB MUH GUN to deal with those looters and 'defund the police' protestors" is not a Good Idea.

*** Vikanias, 1-day ban for trolling. ***

[Kowani]

It's probably not safe to do that while they're in a car they'e trying to drive, though. There's a good chance of causing an accident by doing that

I'm not sure I'm following, are you saying the officer added insult to injury by shooting someone operating a motor vehicle?

i mean, yeah

a tazer's like 4 times lighter than a glock, and you have to draw it with your weaker hand
i don't get how on earth this worked

It’s very simple: she decided “I’m gonna shoot him and say I meant to draw my taser”

i know, i was being rhetorical

[Major-Tom]

I'm not sure I'm following, are you saying the officer added insult to injury by shooting someone operating a motor vehicle?

i mean, yeah

It’s very simple: she decided “I’m gonna shoot him and say I meant to draw my taser”

i know, i was being rhetorical

I get it, just the bulk of my outrage isn't her decision to fire on someone entering a motor vehicle, it was her decision to fire on this person period, regardless of the where.

[Galloism]

I'm not sure I'm following, are you saying the officer added insult to injury by shooting someone operating a motor vehicle?

i mean, yeah

It’s very simple: she decided “I’m gonna shoot him and say I meant to draw my taser”

i know, i was being rhetorical

As a person who has carried both a gun and a taser, let me tell you they feel very different in your hands, and are carried on completely opposite sides of your body for a reason.

[Punished UMN]

Even if it was an honest mistake, she should have been fired immediately. Negligent (I will not entertain the term "accidental" by the police, there is no such thing (or almost no such thing) as an accidental discharge that is not negligent) discharges happen but if you have a negligent discharge that kills somebody, maybe your job shouldn't involve carrying a gun.

[Kowani]

i mean, yeah


i know, i was being rhetorical

As a person who has carried both a gun and a taser, let me tell you they feel very different in your hands, and are carried on completely opposite sides of your body for a reason.

this is not a surprise

Even if it was an honest mistake, she should have been fired immediately. Negligent (I will not entertain the term "accidental" by the police, there is no such thing (or almost no such thing) as an accidental discharge that is not negligent) discharges happen but if you have a negligent discharge that kills somebody, maybe your job shouldn't involve carrying a gun.

apparently, she was the head of the local police union???
you'd think competence would be a job requirement for that-
of course, malevolence is always an explanation...

[Punished UMN]

As a person who has carried both a gun and a taser, let me tell you they feel very different in your hands, and are carried on completely opposite sides of your body for a reason.

this is not a surprise

Even if it was an honest mistake, she should have been fired immediately. Negligent (I will not entertain the term "accidental" by the police, there is no such thing (or almost no such thing) as an accidental discharge that is not negligent) discharges happen but if you have a negligent discharge that kills somebody, maybe your job shouldn't involve carrying a gun.

apparently, she was the head of the local police union???
you'd think competence would be a job requirement for that-
of course, malevolence is always an explanation...

Yeah, I'm not sure I buy her explanation, though the camera footage seems to lend it some credence, but actually defending her actions is stupid. Even if it weren't criminal it's grounds for termination without pension.

[Kowani]

Police bull rush protestors, pushing them to the ground and bear macing them


i think one of the cops kicked a guy who was already on the ground-

took me a second to find the location
this is portland, they're clearing out an unlawful assembly

[Vassenor]

Also apparrently Potter was involved in the 2019 killing of Kobe Dimock-Heisler, where she “instructed the two officers involved ‘to exit the residence, get into separate squad cars, turn off their body worn cameras, and to not talk to each other.’”

[Punished UMN]

Even if it was an honest mistake, she should have been fired immediately. Negligent (I will not entertain the term "accidental" by the police, there is no such thing (or almost no such thing) as an accidental discharge that is not negligent) discharges happen but if you have a negligent discharge that kills somebody, maybe your job shouldn't involve carrying a gun.

Negligence is quite plausible handling someone else's gun. Not when aiming your own gun at someone.

Wouldn't the officer at some point had to release the safety? How they could proceed after that without realizing it was a gun not a taser ... even if it's true, the commander should never have released this "explanation" because it will further outrage the public.

The best spin I can put on it is that after accidentally drawing the wrong weapon, the officer felt too short of time to reholster it, draw the other one and pass it from hand to hand. But it's still rather mind-boggling that a grown woman doesn't know left from right.

I mean I'm not sure I think it was just negligence either, but it's very easy to have negligent discharges, and that's why the rules of gun safety exist.

[CoraSpia]

Negligence is quite plausible handling someone else's gun. Not when aiming your own gun at someone.

Wouldn't the officer at some point had to release the safety? How they could proceed after that without realizing it was a gun not a taser ... even if it's true, the commander should never have released this "explanation" because it will further outrage the public.

The best spin I can put on it is that after accidentally drawing the wrong weapon, the officer felt too short of time to reholster it, draw the other one and pass it from hand to hand. But it's still rather mind-boggling that a grown woman doesn't know left from right.

I mean I'm not sure I think it was just negligence either, but it's very easy to have negligent discharges, and that's why the rules of gun safety exist.

It's quite simple really. If you're unable to understand/follow the rules of basic gun safety, like for example being able to identify what your gun feels like in your hand as compared to your tazer, you shouldn't have a job which involves carrying a gun to protect the public. Obviously she should be given the full investigation, I'm always a big fan of due process, but I don't think it'll be easy to reach another conclusion unless bias plays a part.

[New Visayan Islands]

When you want to arrest literally everyone who violated curfew, which would be a massive waste of resources and police time, for the sake of "enforcing laws", yes, it does come off as dictatorial.

To be fair, I want people who break covid-curfews without a damn good reason to be executed as well. Trying to spread disease "for fun" is rather revolting.

Given your history I suggest you take *** one day off for trolling *** to read and review the Rules. Any appeals are to be made via GHR.

Thanks!
NVI

[Esalia]

I mean, if you aren't GMS and you're really from Minneapolis, then you're gleefully hoping for your fellow citizens and neighbors to be brutalized and killed and for your city to be placed under some form of incredibly draconian emergency rule, which honestly seems much worse.

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I believe those that violate the curfew should be arrested, not given the death penalty and should serve no more than a year in jail. As for those that riot and loot, they deserve 20+ years in prison. I don’t take joy in it, I believe that preserving law, order, safety, life and property is the single most important thing in society.

To the point where you're perfectly okay with suppressing protests and throwing people in jail for a year because they were out past their state-mandated bedtime.

Yes, we're well aware how far you'll go for the sake of law and order.

This emergency curfew wasn’t put in place al of a sudden for no reason. It is put in place to encourage people to stay home.It it is a tool to preserve life and property. And those are more important than anarchists and white supremacists looking to incite their class/race war.

Here's a fun fact for you, "people out past curfew" and "anarchists and white supremacists" aren't synonyms.

Your justification for why everyone who violates curfew should be rounded up and have up to a year taken on them falls flat when you realise that.

[Ifreann]

The officer who shot Wright has been identified as Kimberly Potter, who had…25 years of experience on the force

25 years on the force. Doesn't know a taser from a pistol.

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This is the US, we're not going to let the proles loot anything too nice. If they're quick enough they can enjoy the crumbs.

Yeah, because at no point in any of these protests were people looting flat screen TVs, Apple stores, designer label clothing and shoe stores, etc.

Are you even trying to make any actual point, or are you just amusing yourself?

I like that when people want to talk shit about looters it's always "flat screen TVs". Feels very boomer as if they think that CRTs are still on the market. A Fox News talking point if ever I've heard one.

[Cultural Posadism]

You'd think that, after everything that transpired last year, even bad cops would be more careful with their use of force. But no, apparently one whole precinct being set on fire wasn't enough of a bad omen for them.

[Ifreann]

You'd think that, after everything that transpired last year, even bad cops would be more careful with their use of force. But no, apparently one whole precinct being set on fire wasn't enough of a bad omen for them.

[Austreylia]

You'd think that, after everything that transpired last year, even bad cops would be more careful with their use of force. But no, apparently one whole precinct being set on fire wasn't enough of a bad omen for them.

Regardless of what they do, there'll be protests.

Some black guy literally pulled an actual gun on them and fired first (back in January, I want to say), so they shot and killed him, and people were actually calling for charges of murder to be laid against the officers.

[San Lumen]

You'd think that, after everything that transpired last year, even bad cops would be more careful with their use of force. But no, apparently one whole precinct being set on fire wasn't enough of a bad omen for them.

Regardless of what they do, there'll be protests.

Some black guy literally pulled an actual gun on them and fired first (back in January, I want to say), so they shot and killed him, and people were actually calling for charges of murder to be laid against the officers.

When you’ve had years of bad community/police relations and officers that get indicted almost never get convicted people simply don’t trust the word of officers anymore or have faith in the justice system.

[Genivaria]

You'd think that, after everything that transpired last year, even bad cops would be more careful with their use of force. But no, apparently one whole precinct being set on fire wasn't enough of a bad omen for them.

Regardless of what they do, there'll be protests.

Some black guy literally pulled an actual gun on them and fired first (back in January, I want to say), so they shot and killed him, and people were actually calling for charges of murder to be laid against the officers.

Yeah weird right, it's almost like there's a history of police killing black people under unreasonable circumstances and nothing ever happens to the cop.
Hell a murder by a cop that we have on video seen by millions is only now going to trial and still hasn't been resolved.