Prince Philip dies at age 99

[Cereskia]

Did he die because of Covid?

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[Istoreya]

Did he die because of Covid?

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No, just old age.

[The New California Republic]

Did he die because of Covid?

No he was just ancient.

[Cereskia]

Did he die because of Covid?

No he was just ancient.

Oh, ok

He was almost a Century old

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

-snip-

I stand by both of the statements you quoted. The first was made in response to the recent discussion on whether it is appropriate to discuss the prince’s controversies in a memorial thread. The second was made in response to the thread itself and the opinions expressed in the original post.

Let’s face it, the only reason why he and his family is getting condolences from so many people is because he happened to come from and married into the right family. If he was just a war veteran and a philanthropist he’d not have gotten one-tenth this attention.

And as a small-r republican, my opinion is that this media fanfare is symptomatic of a social problem.

[Ifreann]

So what makes the death of this nonogenarian different from all the others that will have died this week?

The fact that this nonagenarian* has gotten attacked by swarms of angry commenters, for starters. His death may very well be equal to that of any other person, it may even be worth less depending on your personal philosophy. The point is, however, that that is no justification to speak ill of the dead, and that masquerading common insults as “criticism” is ill-virtued and improper. If you have the gall to trash a dead man online, you might as well say that you’re trashing a man online, instead of pretending it’s some kind of “criticism”, when the extremities are propagated so fiercely and so rhetorically that there is no debate.

Plenty of dead people who aren't public figures have ill spoken of them. People say that we shouldn't speak ill of the dead, but we actually do it all the time.

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

The fact that this nonagenarian* has gotten attacked by swarms of angry commenters, for starters. His death may very well be equal to that of any other person, it may even be worth less depending on your personal philosophy. The point is, however, that that is no justification to speak ill of the dead, and that masquerading common insults as “criticism” is ill-virtued and improper. If you have the gall to trash a dead man online, you might as well say that you’re trashing a man online, instead of pretending it’s some kind of “criticism”, when the extremities are propagated so fiercely and so rhetorically that there is no debate.

Plenty of dead people who aren't public figures have ill spoken of them. People say that we shouldn't speak ill of the dead, but we actually do it all the time.

Just because some of us choose to speak ill of the dead doesn’t mean it’s acceptable, nor does it legitimize anybody’s decision to do so. When we say we shouldn’t speak ill of the dead, we’re quite obviously not saying it doesn’t happen, we’re saying it shouldn’t happen.

[The Alma Mater]

This is for you, Ethel....

(Image)

And I was hesitant of posting meme like this because I thought it'd be too close to no gloating rule.

The Ollie Jones tweet is so much worse

To quote:
When the royal family said they were gonna be less racist I didn't expect them to take such drastic measures

[The Alma Mater]

People should not be above criticism simply because they happen to be no longer alive, and the fact of the matter is that this man was a hidebound reactionary with some extraordinarily repulsive stances.

Nations have a natural tendency to glorify their histories and their leaders, but this never solves more problems than it lets fester.

People should be above criticism on threads specifically about mourning them

Again: agreed with normal people. If your grandpa is being buried, walking up to you and say "your grandpa was a racist jerk, you know that?" would be a shitty move.

But with people where every media outlet is making it headline news and people are praising him as if he was some kind of supreme flawless being we should all admire who deserves a period a collective mourning ? Then "countering the "he was so perfect bullshit" is fine.

[Immoren]

And I was hesitant of posting meme like this because I thought it'd be too close to no gloating rule.

The Ollie Jones tweet is so much worse

To quote:
When the royal family said they were gonna be less racist I didn't expect them to take such drastic measures

I actually saw that as screenshot on Facebook.

and of course it now adorns my timeline.

[Vassenor]

Plenty of dead people who aren't public figures have ill spoken of them. People say that we shouldn't speak ill of the dead, but we actually do it all the time.

Just because some of us choose to speak ill of the dead doesn’t mean it’s acceptable, nor does it legitimize anybody’s decision to do so. When we say we shouldn’t speak ill of the dead, we’re quite obviously not saying it doesn’t happen, we’re saying it shouldn’t happen.

>Shouldn't speak of the dead

We don't do that here.

[The New California Republic]

So how long do I have to wait,
to ask the queen out on a date?

This is for you, Ethel....

I can just imagine her having the grandchildren help her out with setting up her profile.

Queen: "'Interests'? What does one say? 'Visited hundreds of countries around the world on official visits, patron of over 600 charities and organisations, passion for horseracing'?"

William: "Nonono. Be more casual and approachable. Say something like 'likes travelling, occasional charity work to help out, and likes a flutter on the horses.'"

[Ifreann]

Plenty of dead people who aren't public figures have ill spoken of them. People say that we shouldn't speak ill of the dead, but we actually do it all the time.

Just because some of us choose to speak ill of the dead doesn’t mean it’s acceptable, nor does it legitimize anybody’s decision to do so. When we say we shouldn’t speak ill of the dead, we’re quite obviously not saying it doesn’t happen, we’re saying it shouldn’t happen.

But it is acceptable. It is widely accepted. It is often good and necessary to speak ill of the dead, because sometimes the dead did bad shit that we shouldn't forget just because they've died. Not that Philip being a bit of a racist is that bad in the grand scheme of things, but what good does it serve to forget that? Seems to me that the exhortation to not speak ill of the dead is primarily used to shut down criticism of public figures.

[Celritannia]

So true. The Duke of Edinburgh’s bad reputation is so tragically unfounded. I’m not a British subject, but from what I’ve seen, prince Philip was a kind soul and an educated man. I’ll look upon his gravestone with pity and regret, even if others won’t.

Phillip quotes, a non exhaustive list
On Britain:
>"How do you keep the natives off the booze long enough to pass?" Said to a driving instructor in Scotland
>"Young people are the same as they always were. They are just as ignorant." Said while celebrating Edinburgh's youth
>"The problem with London is the tourists. They cause the congestion. If we could stop tourism, we could stop congestion."
>"You bloody silly fool!" Said to a car park attendant who didn't recognise him
>"People think there’s a rigid class system here, but dukes have even been known to marry chorus girls. Some have even married Americans."
>"British women can't cook."
On minorities:
> “So who's on drugs here?... HE looks as if he's on drugs.” At a Bangladeshi youth club
>"There’s a lot of your family in tonight." To an Indian at reception for 400 British-Indians
>"It looks as if it was put in by an Indian.” On a malfunctioning fuse box
>"Are you all one family?" Said to a multiracial dance troupe
>"What exotic part of the world do you come from?" Said to a black MP from Birmingham
On economics:
>"I declare this thing open, whatever it is."
>"I don't think a prostitute is more moral than a wife, but they are doing the same thing."
>"It's the best way of wasting money that I know of." On the U.S. Apollo program
>"Everybody was saying we must have more leisure. Now they are complaining they are unemployed." In reference to an economic recession
>"I will probably have to give up polo." Said to encourage people during a recession
>"Why don't you go and live in a hovel to save cash?" Said to someone living on the streets
On disabilities:
>"No wonder you are deaf listening to this row." Said to deaf children at a pop concert in Wales
>"Have you run over anybody?" Said to a man on a mobility scooter
>When he and the Queen met Stephen Menary, an army cadet blinded by an IRA bomb, and the Queen enquired how much sight he retained, Philip quipped: "Not a lot, judging by the tie he's wearing."
>"We didn’t have counsellors rushing around every time somebody let off a gun, asking 'Are you all right? Are you sure you don’t have a ghastly problem?' You just got on with it." Complaining about PTSD counseling for veterans
On children:
>"You're too fat to be an astronaut." Said to a 13 year-old aspiring astronaut
>"So you actually know how to write, then? Well done!" Said to a 14 year-old student
On crime:
>"If a cricketer suddenly decided to go into a school and batter a lot of people to death with a cricket bat, which he could do very easily, I mean, are you going to ban cricket bats?" Said in relation to the proposal to ban firearms in the UK following the Dunblane shooting
>"A gun is no more dangerous than a cricket bat in the hands of a madman."
>"Cats kill more birds than men. Why don't you have a slogan, 'Kill a cat and save a bird?'" Said to nature preservationists
>"Smoke alarms are a disgrace. I've got one in my bathroom, and every time I run a bath, the steam sets it off." Said to a woman who lost two sons to a fire
On other countries:
>"If you stay here much longer, you will go home with slitty eyes.” Said to a British student in China in 1986
>“You managed not to get eaten then?” Said to someone who had just hiked across Papua New Guinea
>“Reichskanzler.” Calling German chancellor Helmut Kohl by Hitler's title
>“You look like you’re ready for bed!” Said to the President of Nigeria who was wearing traditional garb
>"If it has got four legs and it's not a chair, the Cantonese will eat it."
>"You can't have been here that long—you haven't got a pot belly." Said to a Briton in Hungary
>"You are a woman, aren't you?" After accepting a gift from a Kenyan woman
>"Do you still throw spears at each other?" Said to an Aboriginal Australian
>"There's so many you feel they breed them just to put in orphanages." Said about Romanians
>"Can you tell the difference between them?" Said to Barack Obama after being told Obama had met the Chinese and Russian ambassadors
>"Looks like the sort of thing my daughter would bring back from her school art lessons." Said of an Ethiopian art exhibit
>"I might catch some ghastly disease." Said of Australia
>"It's a waste of space." Said of the British embassy to Germany
>"It's a pleasure to be in a country that isn't ruled by its people." Said while visiting Paraguay

Old man born before WW2 has controversial opinions.
News at 10.

[Ifreann]

Phillip quotes, a non exhaustive list
On Britain:
>"How do you keep the natives off the booze long enough to pass?" Said to a driving instructor in Scotland
>"Young people are the same as they always were. They are just as ignorant." Said while celebrating Edinburgh's youth
>"The problem with London is the tourists. They cause the congestion. If we could stop tourism, we could stop congestion."
>"You bloody silly fool!" Said to a car park attendant who didn't recognise him
>"People think there’s a rigid class system here, but dukes have even been known to marry chorus girls. Some have even married Americans."
>"British women can't cook."
On minorities:
> “So who's on drugs here?... HE looks as if he's on drugs.” At a Bangladeshi youth club
>"There’s a lot of your family in tonight." To an Indian at reception for 400 British-Indians
>"It looks as if it was put in by an Indian.” On a malfunctioning fuse box
>"Are you all one family?" Said to a multiracial dance troupe
>"What exotic part of the world do you come from?" Said to a black MP from Birmingham
On economics:
>"I declare this thing open, whatever it is."
>"I don't think a prostitute is more moral than a wife, but they are doing the same thing."
>"It's the best way of wasting money that I know of." On the U.S. Apollo program
>"Everybody was saying we must have more leisure. Now they are complaining they are unemployed." In reference to an economic recession
>"I will probably have to give up polo." Said to encourage people during a recession
>"Why don't you go and live in a hovel to save cash?" Said to someone living on the streets
On disabilities:
>"No wonder you are deaf listening to this row." Said to deaf children at a pop concert in Wales
>"Have you run over anybody?" Said to a man on a mobility scooter
>When he and the Queen met Stephen Menary, an army cadet blinded by an IRA bomb, and the Queen enquired how much sight he retained, Philip quipped: "Not a lot, judging by the tie he's wearing."
>"We didn’t have counsellors rushing around every time somebody let off a gun, asking 'Are you all right? Are you sure you don’t have a ghastly problem?' You just got on with it." Complaining about PTSD counseling for veterans
On children:
>"You're too fat to be an astronaut." Said to a 13 year-old aspiring astronaut
>"So you actually know how to write, then? Well done!" Said to a 14 year-old student
On crime:
>"If a cricketer suddenly decided to go into a school and batter a lot of people to death with a cricket bat, which he could do very easily, I mean, are you going to ban cricket bats?" Said in relation to the proposal to ban firearms in the UK following the Dunblane shooting
>"A gun is no more dangerous than a cricket bat in the hands of a madman."
>"Cats kill more birds than men. Why don't you have a slogan, 'Kill a cat and save a bird?'" Said to nature preservationists
>"Smoke alarms are a disgrace. I've got one in my bathroom, and every time I run a bath, the steam sets it off." Said to a woman who lost two sons to a fire
On other countries:
>"If you stay here much longer, you will go home with slitty eyes.” Said to a British student in China in 1986
>“You managed not to get eaten then?” Said to someone who had just hiked across Papua New Guinea
>“Reichskanzler.” Calling German chancellor Helmut Kohl by Hitler's title
>“You look like you’re ready for bed!” Said to the President of Nigeria who was wearing traditional garb
>"If it has got four legs and it's not a chair, the Cantonese will eat it."
>"You can't have been here that long—you haven't got a pot belly." Said to a Briton in Hungary
>"You are a woman, aren't you?" After accepting a gift from a Kenyan woman
>"Do you still throw spears at each other?" Said to an Aboriginal Australian
>"There's so many you feel they breed them just to put in orphanages." Said about Romanians
>"Can you tell the difference between them?" Said to Barack Obama after being told Obama had met the Chinese and Russian ambassadors
>"Looks like the sort of thing my daughter would bring back from her school art lessons." Said of an Ethiopian art exhibit
>"I might catch some ghastly disease." Said of Australia
>"It's a waste of space." Said of the British embassy to Germany
>"It's a pleasure to be in a country that isn't ruled by its people." Said while visiting Paraguay

Old man born before WW2 has controversial opinions.
News at 10.

Philip being a racist is only news to Americans who first learned about him when he died. To anyone even slightly more familiar with Britain, it's just a well known fact about the man.

[Ethel mermania]

This is for you, Ethel....

I can just imagine her having the grandchildren help her out with setting up her profile.

Queen: "'Interests'? What does one say? 'Visited hundreds of countries around the world on official visits, patron of over 600 charities and organisations, passion for horseracing'?"

William: "Nonono. Be more casual and approachable. Say something like 'likes travelling, occasional charity work to help out, and likes a flutter on the horses.'"

Must like dogs.

[Celritannia]

Old man born before WW2 has controversial opinions.
News at 10.

Philip being a racist is only news to Americans who first learned about him when he died. To anyone even slightly more familiar with Britain, it's just a well known fact about the man.

Most of his comments where poor witty remarks anyway. No different than what comedians back in the 70s and 80s were saying anyway.

[The Nihilistic view]

So how long do I have to wait,
to ask the queen out on a date?

This is for you, Ethel....

[Ifreann]

Philip being a racist is only news to Americans who first learned about him when he died. To anyone even slightly more familiar with Britain, it's just a well known fact about the man.

Most of his comments where poor witty remarks anyway. No different than what comedians back in the 70s and 80s were saying anyway.

Yes, his racism is a lot like the racism of other racists.

[Latvijas Otra Republika]

Just because some of us choose to speak ill of the dead doesn’t mean it’s acceptable, nor does it legitimize anybody’s decision to do so. When we say we shouldn’t speak ill of the dead, we’re quite obviously not saying it doesn’t happen, we’re saying it shouldn’t happen.

But it is acceptable. It is widely accepted. It is often good and necessary to speak ill of the dead, because sometimes the dead did bad shit that we shouldn't forget just because they've died. Not that Philip being a bit of a racist is that bad in the grand scheme of things, but what good does it serve to forget that? Seems to me that the exhortation to not speak ill of the dead is primarily used to shut down criticism of public figures.

Because you’re to afraid to say it whilst they’re alive, you have a whole period to criticise it and confront their flaws before they are deceased. If you disrespect someone so quickly after they’re dead it just is taken as you being a petulant attention seeker.

[Ethel mermania]

But it is acceptable. It is widely accepted. It is often good and necessary to speak ill of the dead, because sometimes the dead did bad shit that we shouldn't forget just because they've died. Not that Philip being a bit of a racist is that bad in the grand scheme of things, but what good does it serve to forget that? Seems to me that the exhortation to not speak ill of the dead is primarily used to shut down criticism of public figures.

Because you’re to afraid to say it whilst they’re alive, you have a whole period to criticise it and confront their flaws before they are deceased. If you disrespect someone so quickly after they’re dead it just is taken as you being a petulant attention seeker.

Of all the things we can accuse iffreann of, not being critical of the royal family during the prince's consortorial days is not one of them

[The Nihilistic view]

I think there is a period of mourning, rough rule of thumb would be from death until burial/cremation where it's respectful not to denigrate the deceased.

You have the whole rest of your life to criticise a person, you don't have to do it in the days after they died unless of course the whole point is just to troll and rile people up.

[Ifreann]

But it is acceptable. It is widely accepted. It is often good and necessary to speak ill of the dead, because sometimes the dead did bad shit that we shouldn't forget just because they've died. Not that Philip being a bit of a racist is that bad in the grand scheme of things, but what good does it serve to forget that? Seems to me that the exhortation to not speak ill of the dead is primarily used to shut down criticism of public figures.

Because you’re to afraid to say it whilst they’re alive, you have a whole period to criticise it and confront their flaws before they are deceased. If you disrespect someone so quickly after they’re dead it just is taken as you being a petulant attention seeker.

Philip was criticised during his life, every single time he made one of these comments.

[Latvijas Otra Republika]

Because you’re to afraid to say it whilst they’re alive, you have a whole period to criticise it and confront their flaws before they are deceased. If you disrespect someone so quickly after they’re dead it just is taken as you being a petulant attention seeker.

Of all the things we can accuse iffreann of, not being critical of the royal family during the prince's consortorial days is not one of them

Then giving it a rest for a week would be honourable, considering that most of us would at least want to be treated with some dignity.

[Ethel mermania]

Of all the things we can accuse iffreann of, not being critical of the royal family during the prince's consortorial days is not one of them

Then giving it a rest for a week would be honourable, considering that most of us would at least want to be treated with some dignity.

That is a very different point than you claimed. You dammed him for speaking up now and not before, and are now complaining he is beinv consistent with what you asked.