Two of them were rookies.
And I’m unsure what your point is. But I’m sure there were better ways to have deescalated that situation other than someone opening up on Chauvin with a firearm, referring back to the previous post I quoted.
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by Zurkir » Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:35 pm
by The Alma Mater » Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:42 pm
But I’m sure there were better ways to have deescalated that situation other than someone opening up on Chauvin with a firearm, referring back to the previous post I quoted.
by Zurkir » Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:46 pm
But I’m sure there were better ways to have deescalated that situation other than someone opening up on Chauvin with a firearm, referring back to the previous post I quoted.
Like what then ?
by Picairn » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:01 pm
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:What’s wrong with being racist? People ain’t equal on race basis.
I understand that this is no thread for such discussion, but I have to say that while I believe in partial biological reasons for the behavior of large groups of people, I also think that this can be largely attributed to socioeconomical factors, which brings me to my main belief: black culture is inherently inferior to white and some Asian cultures. Some exceptions, of course exist, but they solely prove the rule
At least I admit that I’m biased. Most liberals don’t.
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:05 pm
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:What’s wrong with being racist?
by Picairn » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:05 pm
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepi ... 6-3-20.pdf
Here is the autopsy report. Where does it say that he died of asphyxiation?
by Atheris » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:23 pm
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Picairn wrote:
You are literally lying against the autopsy report. Why are you lying?
https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepi ... 6-3-20.pdf
Here is the autopsy report. Where does it say that he died of asphyxiation?
by Neu California » Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:31 pm
by Ethel mermania » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:32 am
Zurkir wrote:The Alma Mater wrote:
Were they not cops in training, with Chauvin their teacher ?
Two of them were rookies.
And I’m unsure what your point is. But I’m sure there were better ways to have deescalated that situation other than someone opening up on Chauvin with a firearm, referring back to the previous post I quoted.
by Vorausen » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:47 am
San Lumen wrote:Madrinpoor wrote:Manslaughter almost certainly is going to land, at least in my relatively uneducated understanding of the law. And so would third degree murder, and if the jury decides it is a hate crime then it could be second degree murder too, on the assumption that Chauvin killed Floyd because he's black. It's a bit of a stretch, but the first two should put Chauvin away for a long, long time.
I hope your right. I don't have faith in the justice system to convict cops of wrongdoing.
by San Lumen » Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:20 am
Vorausen wrote:San Lumen wrote:
I hope your right. I don't have faith in the justice system to convict cops of wrongdoing.
Too many protections, at least I think so. The same goes for most positions of power. (although some make more sense than others. It is much easier to replace say a police officer compared to a president.)
by Vorausen » Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:21 am
San Lumen wrote:Vorausen wrote:
Too many protections, at least I think so. The same goes for most positions of power. (although some make more sense than others. It is much easier to replace say a police officer compared to a president.)
many elected officials have been convicted and gone to jail. Few if any police officers have. There was an officer in Chicago who was convicted a few years ago but that seems to be the exception not the norm. The system is inherently biased towards cops.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:42 am
Zurkir wrote:Risottia wrote:
I am starting to think that shooting Chauvin while he was kneeling on Floyd's neck should have been considered a case of legitimate use of force in defence of the victim of an armed criminal.
Because that’s something else that we need. Partisan vigilantes shooting down cops based on personal judgement. And considering the misconceptions of what “unnecessary force” is - half the cops in the nation would be dead if that one caught on. (Predicts to hear “Good” in response to this.) Besides I thought “armed lunatics playing at hero” was a no no...
Chauvin’s fellow officers should’ve stopped him or made it clear he needed to ease up, and they didn’t. That’s negligence on their part.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:44 am
Neu California wrote:BBC: George Floyd died from lack of oxygen, not fentanyl, says expert
Maybe now we can put the "fentanyl killed George Floyd" argument to bed now.
Or maybe I'm just unreasonably optimistic
by San Lumen » Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:45 am
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Zurkir wrote:
Because that’s something else that we need. Partisan vigilantes shooting down cops based on personal judgement. And considering the misconceptions of what “unnecessary force” is - half the cops in the nation would be dead if that one caught on. (Predicts to hear “Good” in response to this.) Besides I thought “armed lunatics playing at hero” was a no no...
Chauvin’s fellow officers should’ve stopped him or made it clear he needed to ease up, and they didn’t. That’s negligence on their part.
Okay well if they won't stop him, who will?
I really think we need to bring back policing the police. A cop watch if you will.
by Insaanistan » Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:48 am
by Ethel mermania » Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:54 am
San Lumen wrote:Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Okay well if they won't stop him, who will?
I really think we need to bring back policing the police. A cop watch if you will.
The brotherhood among cops needs to end. Union Presidents and fellow officers need to start calling out the actions of bad cops and intervening as well. Chauvin's fellow officers should have done something instead of standing around watching as he murdered Floyd.
by Vorausen » Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:56 am
by Senkaku » Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:58 am
Ethel mermania wrote:San Lumen wrote:The brotherhood among cops needs to end. Union Presidents and fellow officers need to start calling out the actions of bad cops and intervening as well. Chauvin's fellow officers should have done something instead of standing around watching as he murdered Floyd.
Two things
1. Chauvin was senior cop at the scene. Lane told him Floyd was in distress, and Chauvin said Floyd was ok.
2. unions exist to protect the workers and advocate for the workers rights. Its not the place of any union to be judge and jury of their membership. Their job is to protect the worker, even Chauvin. Its up to the employer to enforce the law, not the union.
by San Lumen » Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:59 am
Ethel mermania wrote:San Lumen wrote:The brotherhood among cops needs to end. Union Presidents and fellow officers need to start calling out the actions of bad cops and intervening as well. Chauvin's fellow officers should have done something instead of standing around watching as he murdered Floyd.
Two things
1. Chauvin was senior cop at the scene. Lane told him Floyd was in distress, and Chauvin said Floyd was ok.
2. unions exist to protect the workers and advocate for the workers rights. Its not the place of any union to be judge and jury of their membership. Their job is to protect the worker, even Chauvin. Its up to the employer to enforce the law and bring up disciplinary action, not the union.
by San Lumen » Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:01 am
Vorausen wrote:This is what I think will become of Derek Chauvin
A. He is found guilty of at least one of the charges, America and the BLM movement rejoices. Derek ends up in Prison
B. He is not found guilty, BLM movements and African American community is outraged, however, Derek stays protected and lives the rest of his life
C. (the least likely) not only is Derek found not guilty, but with ab target on him by outraged BLM extremists, he is killed.
hopefully, however option C should not happen. If the justice system finds him not guiltly do not take matters into your own hands.
by Ethel mermania » Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:03 am
Senkaku wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:Two things
1. Chauvin was senior cop at the scene. Lane told him Floyd was in distress, and Chauvin said Floyd was ok.
“Just taking orders” is as bad a defense as it’s always been2. unions exist to protect the workers and advocate for the workers rights. Its not the place of any union to be judge and jury of their membership. Their job is to protect the worker, even Chauvin. Its up to the employer to enforce the law, not the union.
Police guilds are not morally equivalent to workers’ unions; cops are already in a very privileged negotiating position as the armed frontline agents of state enforcement vs. the very minimal leverage any other group of workers have
by Zurkir » Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:06 am
San Lumen wrote:Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Okay well if they won't stop him, who will?
I really think we need to bring back policing the police. A cop watch if you will.
The brotherhood among cops needs to end. Union Presidents and fellow officers need to start calling out the actions of bad cops and intervening as well. Chauvin's fellow officers should have done something instead of standing around watching as he murdered Floyd.
by Vorausen » Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:09 am
San Lumen wrote:Vorausen wrote:This is what I think will become of Derek Chauvin
A. He is found guilty of at least one of the charges, America and the BLM movement rejoices. Derek ends up in Prison
B. He is not found guilty, BLM movements and African American community is outraged, however, Derek stays protected and lives the rest of his life
C. (the least likely) not only is Derek found not guilty, but with ab target on him by outraged BLM extremists, he is killed.
hopefully, however option C should not happen. If the justice system finds him not guiltly do not take matters into your own hands.
If he is not convicted it will show the system is beyond biased and that indicting officers is largely for show. The protests and riots we saw last year will look like nothing.
by San Lumen » Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:10 am
Zurkir wrote:San Lumen wrote:The brotherhood among cops needs to end. Union Presidents and fellow officers need to start calling out the actions of bad cops and intervening as well. Chauvin's fellow officers should have done something instead of standing around watching as he murdered Floyd.
To quote Alma Mater “it is unrealistic to expect that two rookies will stop their teacher from doing something”. It’s not just a “brotherhood” thing. Police have a chain of command mirroring the military (sergeant, lieutenant, captain, etc) and they are taught to respect the authority of those who rank over them as with such systems. Sometimes it is the painfully classic buddy system and other times it’s about fear of disrespecting/angering a tenured superior. Those are two big flaws with other officer intervention, unfortunately.
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