Trial of Derek Chauvin: A Juror Supported What?!

[The Black Forrest]

What is this reasonable doubt you speak of?

Apparently it's reasonable to doubt that cutting off someone's air for ten minutes and refusing to let EMTs help him would kill someone.

But....but...resisting.....eating drugs.....

The police really need to stop rallying around scum like Chauvin. It makes them all look bad.

[Ethel mermania]

Apparently it's reasonable to doubt that cutting off someone's air for ten minutes and refusing to let EMTs help him would kill someone.

But....but...resisting.....eating drugs.....

The police really need to stop rallying around scum like Chauvin. It makes them all look bad.

Tbf i don't see a lot of cops rallying around Chauvin. The most damming testimony from the prosecution has been from cops.

[Alcala-Cordel]

But....but...resisting.....eating drugs.....

The police really need to stop rallying around scum like Chauvin. It makes them all look bad.

Tbf i don't see a lot of cops rallying around Chauvin. The most damming testimony from the prosecution has been from cops.

I've seen quite a few in my area, as well as with thec op defenders. A few days ago I even drove past some people with a "Free Chauvin" sign near their blue line flag.

[Ethel mermania]

Tbf i don't see a lot of cops rallying around Chauvin. The most damming testimony from the prosecution has been from cops.

I've seen quite a few in my area, as well as with thec op defenders. A few days ago I even drove past some people with a "Free Chauvin" sign near their blue line flag.

Ick.

[Fahran]

Yes they do. If a person is worthless to the society why should this parasite live?
People like this (race slur) only suck the social support out of the pockets of the decent hard-working taxpayers (and yes I am a working taxpayer if you want to know).

Most people have value or the potential for value. George Floyd had a family, had hopes and dreams, had paid taxes in the past, and, at one point, was a pillar of his local community, speaking out against gang violence and giving a voice to millions who struggle with poverty, crime, and addiction. Floyd's lifelong struggles seems to have revolved around his drug addiction. G-d shaped each and every one of us though. While it may interest society to punish us for our transgressions, that does not mean that we're worthless.

[Kowani]

Forensic toxicologist Dr. Daniel Isenschmid testifies in Derek Chauvin trial that George Floyd’s fentanyl ratio was below the ratio found in DUI drivers and well below the ratio in post-mortem cases (for people who died from drug overdoses)
He also says the amount of meth found in George Floyd's blood was consistent with the amount from a prescription dose -- a "very low" dose.

[The New California Republic]

Forensic toxicologist Dr. Daniel Isenschmid testifies in Derek Chauvin trial that George Floyd’s fentanyl ratio was below the ratio found in DUI drivers and well below the ratio in post-mortem cases (for people who died from drug overdoses)
He also says the amount of meth found in George Floyd's blood was consistent with the amount from a prescription dose -- a "very low" dose.

Sounds like they are well on the way to conclusively proving that it was Chauvin's actions that caused the death.

[The Black Forrest]

But....but...resisting.....eating drugs.....

The police really need to stop rallying around scum like Chauvin. It makes them all look bad.

Tbf i don't see a lot of cops rallying around Chauvin. The most damming testimony from the prosecution has been from cops.

Well? If they our like my cousin has reported; they say the public thing and then they say what they really think amongst themselves. Even recently she told my wife; her dead fiancé said some rather ugly things which really surprised me.

[Kowani]

found the graph they used in the trial

[Atheris]

found the graph they used in the trial
-snip-

Looks like that rules out the "he had a drug overdose" defense.

[Kowani]

"Mr. Floyd died from positional asphyxia, which is a fancy way of saying he died because he had no oxygen left in his body," says prosecution expert witness Dr. Bill Smock, a police surgeon with a specialty in forensics.

[Kowani]

some exhibits at trial, on the testimony of the state’s outside medical expert, Dr. Martin Tobin, a pulmonary and critical care medic with 45 yrs of experience
-snippy-

He testifies that his opinion is George Floyd died from a low level of oxygen that caused brain damage and caused an arrhythmia that made his heart stop.

Dr. Tobin testifies that this image of George Floyd which shows his knuckles against the tire of the squad car is "extraordinarily significant" because it shows that Floyd has used up all his resources and is literally trying to breathe with his fingers and knuckles.

He also claims that even a healthy person (someone without George Floyd's pre-existing medical conditions) would have died if they had been subjected to everything George Floyd was subjected to.

bringing this back for a second
Dr. Martin Tobin claimed that George Floyd's respiratory rate was normal during the hold. If fentanyl were a factor, he says, it would be reduced by 40%.

"There isn't fentanyl" that is "having an effect on his respiratory centers."

He adds: A second indicator fentanyl wasn't a factor in his respiration -- his carbon dioxide levels found in the emergency room are consistent with what you'd expect in someone who doesn't have ventilation for 9+ minutes

[Rusozak]

found the graph they used in the trial
-snip-

Looks like that rules out the "he had a drug overdose" defense.

But what will they use for racial dogwhistling now?

[Omniabstracta]

Looks like that rules out the "he had a drug overdose" defense.

But what will they use for racial dogwhistling now?

Clearly he was uhh, just allergic to the fentanyl! That’s why it’s still able to be the drugs that killed him.

[Risottia]

Chauvin's knee remained on George Floyd's neck for 2 minutes & 44 seconds after EMTs found there was no pulse.


yeah that's enough for today

I am starting to think that shooting Chauvin while he was kneeling on Floyd's neck should have been considered a case of legitimate use of force in defence of the victim of an armed criminal.

[Postauthoritarian America]

TRIGGER WARNING: THE AUTHOR OF THIS POST IS A WHITE SUPREMACIST (but I’m half black so don’t ban me pls)

As a white supremacist, my opinion is somewhat biased, but I believe that he is not guilty. There was a direct threat to the officer’s life from the scourge of (race slur that I can use because I’m half-black), the junkie clearly died from overdose, not asphyxiation and anything else, he had an extensive crime record (personally I don’t think that people like him even deserve to live), he literally swallowed the drugs not to get busted, and the funniest thing is that he said that he can’t breathe while sitting in a squad car.
Yep, this thugs life sure does matter.

Everything you "know" is wrong.

[Ethel mermania]

Chauvin's knee remained on George Floyd's neck for 2 minutes & 44 seconds after EMTs found there was no pulse.


yeah that's enough for today

I am starting to think that shooting Chauvin while he was kneeling on Floyd's neck should have been considered a case of legitimate use of force in defence of the victim of an armed criminal.

In general I am pretty pro-cop. That said, I agree with that conclusion. If someone pulled out a piece and shot Chauvin without a warning, and used a "saving a life" defense. I wouldn't convict.

[Madrinpoor]

My honest opinion on what will happen (don't get triggered please, it's what I think will happen) is drumroll, please.......


Not guilty. That's right not guilty. If there is any reasonable doubt about a case and a charge, then it definitely shouldn't be a guilty verdict. You have to have absolutely no doubt that Derek Chauvin committed second-degree intentional murder. But there is plenty of reasonable doubt in this case. Now would I like to see Derel Chauvin go to jail and get punished, absolutely! But remember you have to separate what you want and your emotions from law and justice. If they decide on guilty, the justice system has failed Derek Chauvin.

There are other charges against Chauvin. I dont disagree he may not be convicted on the murder 2 charge. I would be very surprised if he doesn't get convicted on murder 3, or the manslaughter charges.

Manslaughter almost certainly is going to land, at least in my relatively uneducated understanding of the law. And so would third degree murder, and if the jury decides it is a hate crime then it could be second degree murder too, on the assumption that Chauvin killed Floyd because he's black. It's a bit of a stretch, but the first two should put Chauvin away for a long, long time.

[Shofercia]

Forensic toxicologist Dr. Daniel Isenschmid testifies in Derek Chauvin trial that George Floyd’s fentanyl ratio was below the ratio found in DUI drivers and well below the ratio in post-mortem cases (for people who died from drug overdoses)
He also says the amount of meth found in George Floyd's blood was consistent with the amount from a prescription dose -- a "very low" dose.

Kowani News continues to be awesome!

I am starting to think that shooting Chauvin while he was kneeling on Floyd's neck should have been considered a case of legitimate use of force in defence of the victim of an armed criminal.

In general I am pretty pro-cop. That said, I agree with that conclusion. If someone pulled out a piece and shot Chauvin without a warning, and used a "saving a life" defense. I wouldn't convict.

I wouldn't either.

There are other charges against Chauvin. I dont disagree he may not be convicted on the murder 2 charge. I would be very surprised if he doesn't get convicted on murder 3, or the manslaughter charges.

Manslaughter almost certainly is going to land, at least in my relatively uneducated understanding of the law. And so would third degree murder, and if the jury decides it is a hate crime then it could be second degree murder too, on the assumption that Chauvin killed Floyd because he's black. It's a bit of a stretch, but the first two should put Chauvin away for a long, long time.

Manslaughter landed quite some time ago. We're now debating whether it's manslaughter, murder 3, or murder 2. I'd be shocked and appalled if Chauvin walks. I think it's murder 2 at this point.

[San Lumen]

There are other charges against Chauvin. I dont disagree he may not be convicted on the murder 2 charge. I would be very surprised if he doesn't get convicted on murder 3, or the manslaughter charges.

Manslaughter almost certainly is going to land, at least in my relatively uneducated understanding of the law. And so would third degree murder, and if the jury decides it is a hate crime then it could be second degree murder too, on the assumption that Chauvin killed Floyd because he's black. It's a bit of a stretch, but the first two should put Chauvin away for a long, long time.

I hope your right. I don't have faith in the justice system to convict cops of wrongdoing.

[Katganistan]

But....but...resisting.....eating drugs.....

The police really need to stop rallying around scum like Chauvin. It makes them all look bad.

Tbf i don't see a lot of cops rallying around Chauvin. The most damming testimony from the prosecution has been from cops.

It's good to see them doing the right thing. There is a lot of pressure not to get involved but this guy's acts and history are insupportable.

[Katganistan]

found the graph they used in the trial
-snip-

Looks like that rules out the "he had a drug overdose" defense.

Lord knows Chauvinists have been screaming that one loudly enough.

[Fahran]

Chauvin's knee remained on George Floyd's neck for 2 minutes & 44 seconds after EMTs found there was no pulse.


yeah that's enough for today

I am starting to think that shooting Chauvin while he was kneeling on Floyd's neck should have been considered a case of legitimate use of force in defence of the victim of an armed criminal.

It sounds like it, though I would not recommend that unless you plan on getting into a shoot-out with the police.

[Zurkir]

Chauvin's knee remained on George Floyd's neck for 2 minutes & 44 seconds after EMTs found there was no pulse.


yeah that's enough for today

I am starting to think that shooting Chauvin while he was kneeling on Floyd's neck should have been considered a case of legitimate use of force in defence of the victim of an armed criminal.

Because that’s something else that we need. Partisan vigilantes shooting down cops based on personal judgement. And considering the misconceptions of what “unnecessary force” is - half the cops in the nation would be dead if that one caught on. (Predicts to hear “Good” in response to this.) Besides I thought “armed lunatics playing at hero” was a no no...

Chauvin’s fellow officers should’ve stopped him or made it clear he needed to ease up, and they didn’t. That’s negligence on their part.

[The Alma Mater]

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Chauvin’s fellow officers should’ve stopped him or made it clear he needed to ease up, and they didn’t. That’s negligence on their part.

Were they not cops in training, with Chauvin their teacher ?