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Postby Kowani » Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:24 pm

Disruption in healthcare services caused by Covid-19 may have led to an estimated 239,000 maternal and child deaths in South Asia

The disruption in healthcare services caused by Covid-19 may have led to an estimated 239,000 maternal and child deaths in South Asia, according to a new UN report.

It's focused on Afghanistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka, home to some 1.8 billion people.

The report found that women, children and adolescents were the worst-hit.

South Asia has reported nearly 13 million Covid cases and more than 186,000 deaths so far.

Many countries, including those in South Asia, responded to the pandemic with stringent lockdowns. While hospitals, pharmacies and grocers remained open, almost everything else shut down.

The report - Direct and Indirect Effects of Covid-19 Pandemic and Response in South Asia - examines the effect of these government strategies on healthcare, social services, including schools, and the economy.

It estimates that there have been 228,000 additional deaths of children under five in these six countries due to crucial services, ranging from nutrition benefits to immunisation, being halted.

It says the number of children being treated for severe malnutrition fell by more than 80% in Bangladesh and Nepal, and immunisation among children dropped by 35% and 65% in India and Pakistan respectively.

The report also says that child mortality rose the highest in India in 2020 - up by 15.4% - followed by Bangladesh at 13%. Sri Lanka saw the sharpest increase in maternal deaths - 21.5% followed by Pakistan's 21.3%.
It also estimates that there have been some 3.5 million additional unwanted pregnancies, including 400,000 among teenagers, due to poor or no access to contraception.

The full effect of the pandemic - and ensuing lockdowns - is just starting to become clear as countries take stock of their public health and education programmes.

Experts in India already fear that malnutrition rates will be significantly worse across the country when the data pours in over the next few months.

Some countries in South Asia, like India, are still battling a surge in infections. While the nation-wide lockdown ended in June last year, several states and districts have resorted to intermittent lockdowns to arrest the spread of the virus.

The interruption to health services also affected those suffering from other diseases - the report predicts an additional 5,943 deaths across the region among adolescents who couldn't get treated for tuberculosis, malaria, typhoid and HIV/Aids.
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Postby Juristonia » Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:49 pm

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Loeje wrote:It could, but we're not sure. No one should make promises yet.


So he shouldnt have said what he did?

Just because you want to hear something, doesn't mean it should be said.

What do you think happens if they say it will happen and then it doesn't?
They have to be careful with these things, cause once their credibility takes a hit, because they were premature, it gets very difficult for people to listen to them.
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Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:03 am

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Glorious Hong Kong wrote:WHO fact sheet on Japanese encephalitis

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Interesting how I'm the one with an "unhinged take" when the WHO doesn't even follow its own fucking guidelines. Keep ignoring facts, shilling for totalitarian regimes, and betraying Third World peoples around the world like you leftists always do and have been doing for years and years. If you want to know what I really think about people like you, kindly pop over to the Syrian Civil War thread and get off your moral high horse.

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The 2015 WHO guidelines on naming diseases discouraged countries from naming diseases after geographical locations, Japanese encephalitis included. https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/han ... .1_eng.pdf

The name assigned to a new human disease by WHO or other parties following the present best practices may or may not be confirmed by the International Classification of Diseases (ICD1) at a later stage. The ICD, managed by WHO and endorsed by its Member States, provides a final standard name for each human disease according to standard guidelines that are also aimed at reducing negative impact from names while balancing science, communication, and policy. Thus, the best practices are not intended to replace or interfere with the existing ICD system, but span the gap between identification of a new human disease event and assigning of a final name by ICD. Further, WHO recognizes that existing international systems and bodies are responsible for taxonomy and nomenclature of pathogens, which are not directly affected by these best practices.

The WHO essentially acknowledged that 1) The pre-guideline existing names which have entered common usage will be unchanged, like MERS or Lyme disease, and 2) The power of naming diseases ultimately rests with the countries. In fact, the guidelines only applies to new diseases that have not been seen before in human history.

Scope of disease naming
The present best practices apply to a new disease:
• That is an infection, syndrome, or disease of humans;
• That has never been recognized before in humans;
• That has potential public health impact; and
• Where no disease name is yet established in common usage


So this isn't really a matter of double standard, but more of a "Ok, you nations can keep the old disease names for familiarity, while we will dictate the new ones, caused by new diseases". That's why they kept Japanese encephalitis, but created COVID-19.


That's just a flimsy excuse and further evidence of a double standard in my book. The clever scientific name of Covid-19 is just a cover for the fact that the WHO essentially caved to Chinese diplomatic pressure similar to how their so-called "investigation" into the origins of the Wuhan coronavirus has been anything but. Because Covid-19 happens to be a perfectly scientific name that "conforms with guidelines", many countries have adopted the term without hesitation including former President Donald Trump himself. It's only called Covid-19 because China screamed rAcIsT at the top of its lungs and many so-called "progressives" at CNN and elsewhere fell for this race-baiting CCP talking point hook, line, and sinker. That's leftist betrayal for you.

Japan would never seek to bully or intimidate international institutions in this way, otherwise the WHO's official website would've dropped the name Japanese encephalitis years ago. It's not the 1930s anymore and Japan is way more humble and civilized than it used to be. I don't hear Tokyo lodging a complaint with the WHO and I don't hear woke leftists in the West protesting and demanding that Japanese encephalitis be renamed and that anyone who calls JEV JEV is an unhinged white supremacist. Chinese-Americans deserve the utmost protection from the state against racial violence and hate crimes, but Japanese-Americans are fair game because Chinese Lives Matter but Japanese Lives Don't. This neatly coincides with one Asian country possessing far more diplomatic leverage than another. The CCP is far better at guilt-tripping foreigners and playing the race card to devastating effect compared to its neighbors.

No doubt the WHO will run interference by applying similar geographically neutral names to future diseases as if that's somehow going to obscure the fact that a double standard persists particularly in relation to older disease names such as Japanese encephalitis, Nipah virus (Malaysia), Ebola, or Hong Kong Flu, because it's OK to be racist to HK people but not to Mainland Chinese. This is China's way of subtly trolling us right under our noses. While the WHO isn't part of some sinister grand conspiracy, Beijing is gloating and laughing at all of us right now because of the WHO's utter geopolitical gullibility and tone-deafness (it being a scientific rather than a political organization) and our collective stupidity and propensity toward political correctness (but only if it makes China happy), and that makes me fucking mad as hell.

Unless the WHO drops these old names for diseases, I call complete and total fucking BS. Stop calling Spanish Flu, Japanese encephalitis, Hong Kong Flu, and other old diseases by their original names and start calling them by new, non-regional scientific names if you want to be consistent. Update your websites accordingly. Stop making excuses for these old names and then turning around and calling people racist for using the term China virus, Wuhan virus or CCP virus, but not for using the term Japanese encephalitis. Stop shamelessly upholding a double standard that just so conveniently happens to be pro-Chinese and pro-communist. Only then will I accept the name Covid-19. I absolutely refuse to be China's bitch nor a slave to communism or fascism.

If the WHO is so politically impartial, then why did Tedros take a totally random swipe at Taiwan calling it racist but then completely ignore anti-African racism in China just days later? Seriously, what the fuck is his problem? Was he, like, fed a steady stream of fake news and misinformation from Chinese state media or something and just decided out of the blue to parrot their racist, anti-Taiwanese BS? Is that how he got the false impression China did a fine job of "containing" the coronavirus pandemic and showered Beijing with nothing but praise at the beginning? Tedros is one shady motherfucker and proud of it.

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Neither. Slightly fewer people than got blood clots than you would have expected if they hadn't been vaccinated. It's straight up literal misinformation.

Yup. Reports today have shown that there are actually slightly less people in the sample group (people vaccinated) developing blood clots in comparison to another sample group (consisting of those not having had the vaccine), so there isn't even correlation between vaccines and blood clots, the notion is just pure dogshit.


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Wuhan coronavirus is racist but Japanese encephalitis is A-OK. The CCP has nothing to do with this double standard whatsoever. Nothing to see here.
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Postby Nilokeras » Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:36 am

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:That's just a flimsy excuse and further evidence of a double standard in my book. The clever scientific name of Covid-19 is just a cover for the fact that the WHO essentially caved to Chinese diplomatic pressure similar to how their so-called "investigation" into the origins of the Wuhan coronavirus has been anything but. Because Covid-19 happens to be a perfectly scientific name that "conforms with guidelines", many countries have adopted the term without hesitation including former President Donald Trump himself. It's only called Covid-19 because China screamed rAcIsT at the top of its lungs and many so-called "progressives" at CNN and elsewhere fell for this race-baiting CCP talking point hook, line, and sinker. That's leftist betrayal for you.


'Novel coronavirus 2019' is a perfectly standard name for a virus based on naming practices that go back decades, and that it got immediately shortened into 'covid-19' after the disease it causes is entirely unsurprising. This does not require a stupendous leap into magical thinking like you seem to be doing.

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:Unless the WHO drops these old names for diseases, I call complete and total fucking BS. Stop calling Spanish Flu, Japanese encephalitis, Hong Kong Flu, and other old diseases by their original names and start calling them by new, non-regional scientific names if you want to be consistent.


As I've pointed out to you before, the scientific community is right on board with you on renaming historic viruses. They've even started with proposals to rename Lyme disease. You're throwing a massive screaming and stomping temper tantrum over the fact that it takes time to reclassify viruses and come to a consensus over names, particularly for poorly-studied and neglected diseases like Japanese encephalitis.
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Postby ImperialRussia » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:13 am

Why I should be injected the weaker version of the the Coronavirus the virus will just recalibrate itself to become even more infectious as the last virus in a few months the vaccine isn’t a cure it’s a weaker version of the virus scientists say may not kill but the older virus may kill you later than the new version of covid. They scientists of world should really find a vaccine that the virus doesn’t kill people like the flu vaccine. Instead the president of The United States Joe Biden Be’s a cheap scape goes ahead of Coronavirus vaccine and not studied hard enough about rate of infection during month this weaker version of covid will just kill you in slower. I wonder why our government is experimenting vaccines instead showing full proof it cause no harm just like the flu vaccine.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:29 am

ImperialRussia wrote:Why I should be injected the weaker version of the the Coronavirus the virus will just recalibrate itself to become even more infectious as the last virus in a few months the vaccine isn’t a cure it’s a weaker version of the virus


The mrna variants aren't.
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Postby ImperialRussia » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:32 am

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ImperialRussia wrote:Why I should be injected the weaker version of the the Coronavirus the virus will just recalibrate itself to become even more infectious as the last virus in a few months the vaccine isn’t a cure it’s a weaker version of the virus


The mrna variants aren't.

They should be updating the vaccine faster with this type of virus

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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:34 am

ImperialRussia wrote:Why I should be injected the weaker version of the the Coronavirus the virus will just recalibrate itself to become even more infectious as the last virus in a few months the vaccine isn’t a cure it’s a weaker version of the virus scientists say may not kill but the older virus may kill you later than the new version of covid. They scientists of world should really find a vaccine that the virus doesn’t kill people like the flu vaccine. Instead the president of The United States Joe Biden Be’s a cheap scape goes ahead of Coronavirus vaccine and not studied hard enough about rate of infection during month this weaker version of covid will just kill you in slower. I wonder why our government is experimenting vaccines instead showing full proof it cause no harm just like the flu vaccine.


Needs punctuation. Or shorter sentences. Or both.

"Showing full proof it causes no harm" is literally impossible, when a worryingly large percentage of the population would refuse to accept 4 gammas of scientific certainty. They would insist that a dozen cases of people getting seriously ill or dying, in the whole USA, is a "disproof".

I hope you're not one of those people. If you are, don't post here or you'll get busted for Covid Misinformation (there are stickies about this).

Do not expect government to be risk-averse to the paranoid extent of some people. People are still being killed by the virus. Anyone too chickenshit to take the vaccine because "it might huuuurt, weallly I've got a phobia!" can just get away from the herd and take their chances with the virus instead. Oh. No, wait, being anywhere near the herd exposes them to the virus. Go live in the woods until it's all over. No, I'm not wishing a chance of extreme misfortune on anyone. It's well known that bears are harmless.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:35 am

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The mrna variants aren't.

They should be updating the vaccine faster with this type of virus

The mrna variants are *vaccines*.
Do you have any clue what you are talking about ?
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Postby ImperialRussia » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:43 am

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ImperialRussia wrote:They should be updating the vaccine faster with this type of virus

The mrna variants are *vaccines*.
Do you have any clue what you are talking about ?

Vaccines don’t work if there mutations in the old virus they become as deadly as the original the world really start updating new vaccines because this virus mutates much quicker than the flu virus

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Postby Juristonia » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:55 am

ImperialRussia wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:The mrna variants are *vaccines*.
Do you have any clue what you are talking about ?

Vaccines don’t work if there mutations in the old virus they become as deadly as the original the world really start updating new vaccines because this virus mutates much quicker than the flu virus

So no, you don't have a clue what you'e talking about.

But yeah, sure. They should just do it faster. I bet they hadn't thought of that one yet.
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ImperialRussia wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:The mrna variants are *vaccines*.
Do you have any clue what you are talking about ?

Vaccines don’t work if there mutations in the old virus they become as deadly as the original the world really start updating new vaccines because this virus mutates much quicker than the flu virus


You know, we have had vaccines for months now. Media has been explaining how they work nonstop.

How did you manage to stay uninformed ? Genuine question.
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Postby ImperialRussia » Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:02 am

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ImperialRussia wrote:Vaccines don’t work if there mutations in the old virus they become as deadly as the original the world really start updating new vaccines because this virus mutates much quicker than the flu virus


You know, we have had vaccines for months now. Media has been explaining how they work nonstop.

How did you manage to stay uninformed ? Genuine question.

But why are family members that took the vaccine and become sick after wards in a few months or evens week without contacting with covid are they sure those variants are genuine

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Glorious Hong Kong wrote:That's just a flimsy excuse and further evidence of a double standard in my book.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Scientists who discovered new viruses get to name them, yet WHO always receives the short end of the stick when the names become famous. Now even a simple guideline to stop racist idiots from associating diseases with innocents is also decried as "political correctness".

The clever scientific name of Covid-19 is just a cover for the fact that the WHO essentially caved to Chinese diplomatic pressure similar to how their so-called "investigation" into the origins of the Wuhan coronavirus has been anything but. Because Covid-19 happens to be a perfectly scientific name that "conforms with guidelines", many countries have adopted the term without hesitation including former President Donald Trump himself. It's only called Covid-19 because China screamed rAcIsT at the top of its lungs and many so-called "progressives" at CNN and elsewhere fell for this race-baiting CCP talking point hook, line, and sinker. That's leftist betrayal for you.

I keep seeing you repeat the claim that "China pressured WHO into adopting COVID-19", yet I have not seen the evidence. What I know is that WHO has called it the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) since mid-January, way before February-March, when it spread to the Western countries and the names "Wuhan coronavirus" or "China virus" were popularized by the Western media. On 11 February 2020, they announced the name Covid-19. Where is the Chinese interference?

Japan would never seek to bully or intimidate international institutions in this way, otherwise the WHO's official website would've dropped the name Japanese encephalitis years ago. It's not the 1930s anymore and Japan is way more humble and civilized than it used to be. I don't hear Tokyo lodging a complaint with the WHO and I don't hear woke leftists in the West protesting and demanding that Japanese encephalitis be renamed and that anyone who calls JEV JEV is an unhinged white supremacist. Chinese-Americans deserve the utmost protection from the state against racial violence and hate crimes, but Japanese-Americans are fair game because Chinese Lives Matter but Japanese Lives Don't. This neatly coincides with one Asian country possessing far more diplomatic leverage than another. The CCP is far better at guilt-tripping foreigners and playing the race card to devastating effect compared to its neighbors.

The first mention of Japanese encephalitis dates back to 1871, when Bismarck and Moltke were wrecking the French army of Napoleon III at Sedan and Emperor Meiji was issuing his new reforms from Tokyo, way before the WHO even existed. It has entered common usage a long time ago and retroactively renaming it would be difficult and cause confusion, hence the scope of the guidelines only covers new diseases. Renaming past diseases but still leaving the old names for familiarity effectively defeats the whole purpose of renaming. For example, the WHO officially classify the "Spanish flu" as "the 1918 Influenza Pandemic" which has the support of the scientific community, even though the former is still stuck in public consciousness and requires mention of the dreaded, incorrect name for recognition. The WHO is trying to fix the mistakes of the past by guiding the future.

No doubt the WHO will run interference by applying similar geographically neutral names to future diseases as if that's somehow going to obscure the fact that a double standard persists particularly in relation to older disease names such as Japanese encephalitis, Nipah virus (Malaysia), Ebola, or Hong Kong Flu, because it's OK to be racist to HK people but not to Mainland Chinese. This is China's way of subtly trolling us right under our noses. While the WHO isn't part of some sinister grand conspiracy, Beijing is gloating and laughing at all of us right now because of the WHO's utter geopolitical gullibility and tone-deafness (it being a scientific rather than a political organization) and our collective stupidity and propensity toward political correctness (but only if it makes China happy), and that makes me fucking mad as hell.

Well the WHO doesn't have the power to retroactively erase the old names from history books and public documents. They acknowledged in their own guidelines that the power of renaming ultimately rests with the countries, so they can't do anything if nations continue to use "China Virus", "Kung Flu", or "Wuhan coronavirus". The best they can do is to issue a neutral name and hope that countries will adopt it in the name of preventing racism. The functions of the WHO are purely advisory, because handing powers over to a global government will have the nationalists crying "Muh independence!" until the end times.

Unless the WHO drops these old names for diseases, I call complete and total fucking BS. Stop calling Spanish Flu, Japanese encephalitis, Hong Kong Flu, and other old diseases by their original names and start calling them by new, non-regional scientific names if you want to be consistent. Update your websites accordingly. Stop making excuses for these old names and then turning around and calling people racist for using the term China virus, Wuhan virus or CCP virus, but not for using the term Japanese encephalitis. Stop shamelessly upholding a double standard that just so conveniently happens to be pro-Chinese and pro-communist. Only then will I accept the name Covid-19. I absolutely refuse to be China's bitch nor a slave to communism or fascism.

Spanish Flu is now Influenza and Hong Kong Flu is SARS. And as I said, the naming powers ultimately rest with the countries. This whole paragraph is nothing more than a huge tantrum in favor of the usage of a racist name. I won't budge, calling Covid-19 doesn't mean I'm a slave to the CCP or whatever. That's just pure paranoia. The CCP doesn't magically collapse even if you shout "China virus" 10,000 times.

If the WHO is so politically impartial, then why did Tedros take a totally random swipe at Taiwan calling it racist but then completely ignore anti-African racism in China just days later? Seriously, what the fuck is his problem? Was he, like, fed a steady stream of fake news and misinformation from Chinese state media or something and just decided out of the blue to parrot their racist, anti-Taiwanese BS? Is that how he got the false impression China did a fine job of "containing" the coronavirus pandemic and showered Beijing with nothing but praise at the beginning? Tedros is one shady motherfucker and proud of it.

You should know better that accusations of hypocrisy doesn't give you a free out-of-jail card. You are still going to be held accountable by people who are negatively affected by racism stemming from the name "China virus". Such is the price of sacrificing integrity for ideological points.
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Are we still doing the "but if we don't call it Chinese people might stop blaming China" shit?
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ImperialRussia wrote:But why are family members that took the vaccine and become sick after wards in a few months or evens week without contacting with covid are they sure those variants are genuine

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:13 am

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You know, we have had vaccines for months now. Media has been explaining how they work nonstop.

How did you manage to stay uninformed ? Genuine question.

But why are family members that took the vaccine and become sick after wards in a few months or evens week without contacting with covid are they sure those variants are genuine


How many of those have had both doses?
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Postby ImperialRussia » Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:20 am

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ImperialRussia wrote:Vaccines don’t work if there mutations in the old virus they become as deadly as the original the world really start updating new vaccines because this virus mutates much quicker than the flu virus


You know, we have had vaccines for months now. Media has been explaining how they work nonstop.

How did you manage to stay uninformed ? Genuine question.

But why are family members that took the vaccine and become sick after wards in a few months or evens week without contacting with covid are they sure those variants are genuine

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Postby ImperialRussia » Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:23 am

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ImperialRussia wrote:But why are family members that took the vaccine and become sick after wards in a few months or evens week without contacting with covid are they sure those variants are genuine

Got links?

No one there should be studies for those who took the vaccine

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Postby Lamoni » Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:29 am

ImperialRussia wrote:Why I should be injected the weaker version of the the Coronavirus the virus will just recalibrate itself to become even more infectious as the last virus in a few months the vaccine isn’t a cure it’s a weaker version of the virus scientists say may not kill but the older virus may kill you later than the new version of covid. They scientists of world should really find a vaccine that the virus doesn’t kill people like the flu vaccine. Instead the president of The United States Joe Biden Be’s a cheap scape goes ahead of Coronavirus vaccine and not studied hard enough about rate of infection during month this weaker version of covid will just kill you in slower. I wonder why our government is experimenting vaccines instead showing full proof it cause no harm just like the flu vaccine.


Actually, it's not a weaker version of the (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) Coronavirus, it is a recombinant replication-deficient chimpanzee adenovirus vector encoding the SARS-CoV-2 Spike glycoprotein, produced in genetically modified human embryonic kidney cells. Similar to the mRNA vaccines, but using a different delivery vector. The vaccine won't kill you, at any speed, fast or slow.

Also, proof of the safety and efficacy of these vaccines has been published by the companies themselves, and the CDC.

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I might have let the post go, if it were not for the "this weaker version of covid will just kill you in slower" line.
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Postby ImperialRussia » Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:33 am

Ok thank you letting me have the right information now I am informed

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Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:16 am

Picairn wrote:I keep seeing you repeat the claim that "China pressured WHO into adopting COVID-19", yet I have not seen the evidence. What I know is that WHO has called it the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) since mid-January, way before February-March, when it spread to the Western countries and the names "Wuhan coronavirus" or "China virus" were popularized by the Western media. On 11 February 2020, they announced the name Covid-19. Where is the Chinese interference?


Prove that longstanding political dissidents in China are "forced" into confessing to some random "crimes" on national television. Prove they've been tortured. Prove the Malaysian government hasn't been unduly pressured into purchasing Sinovac and jamming it into the arms of Malaysians against their will. Neither of us can because that's how the CCP operates. The only thing we can do is infer. You don't think it's even slightly suspicious that Tedros had absolutely nothing critical to say about China's "successful" response to "contain" the coronavirus pandemic? Not even just a tiny bit?

The first mention of Japanese encephalitis dates back to 1871, when Bismarck and Moltke were wrecking the French army of Napoleon III at Sedan and Emperor Meiji was issuing his new reforms from Tokyo, way before the WHO even existed. It has entered common usage a long time ago and retroactively renaming it would be difficult and cause confusion, hence the scope of the guidelines only covers new diseases. Renaming past diseases but still leaving the old names for familiarity effectively defeats the whole purpose of renaming. For example, the WHO officially classify the "Spanish flu" as "the 1918 Influenza Pandemic" which has the support of the scientific community, even though the former is still stuck in public consciousness and requires mention of the dreaded, incorrect name for recognition. The WHO is trying to fix the mistakes of the past by guiding the future.


This may be true of the ordinary rank-and-file scientists who work under the WHO umbrella, but is it true of Tedros and some of the key figures at the top? You honestly believe Tedros is trying to "fix things"? I think he's a disingenuous scumbag who should step down.

Well the WHO doesn't have the power to retroactively erase the old names from history books and public documents. They acknowledged in their own guidelines that the power of renaming ultimately rests with the countries, so they can't do anything if nations continue to use "China Virus", "Kung Flu", or "Wuhan coronavirus". The best they can do is to issue a neutral name and hope that countries will adopt it in the name of preventing racism. The functions of the WHO are purely advisory, because handing powers over to a global government will have the nationalists crying "Muh independence!" until the end times.


The U.S. CDC uses the term Japanese encephalitis. Americans have complete control over the CDC's guidelines and the content of their K-12 education system. What's stopping them? Could it be that nobody cares about the right of Japanese people to be free from racism? What have they ever done to us over the past *checks notes* 76 years?

Spanish Flu is now Influenza and Hong Kong Flu is SARS. And as I said, the naming powers ultimately rest with the countries. This whole paragraph is nothing more than a huge tantrum in favor of the usage of a racist name. I won't budge, calling Covid-19 doesn't mean I'm a slave to the CCP or whatever. That's just pure paranoia. The CCP doesn't magically collapse even if you shout "China virus" 10,000 times.


I was referring to an older strain of Hong Kong Flu, and I was addressing the WHO and national governments, not you. Again, what's stopping the CDC, the NHS, and all of these other institutions from enacting the necessary reforms?

You should know better that accusations of hypocrisy doesn't give you a free out-of-jail card. You are still going to be held accountable by people who are negatively affected by racism stemming from the name "China virus". Such is the price of sacrificing integrity for ideological points.


Racism existed long before the term "China virus" did. If the bigots don't call Asian people "China virus", they will call them by another slur. Asians are going to be sworn at, spat at, assaulted, and murdered in broad daylight regardless. Superficially banning the term "China virus" is not going to solve the problem. If the same racists and bigots begin referring to Asian people as "CCP virus", would you ban that as well? Would you regard CCP virus as a racist name? And wouldn't that be yet another diplomatic coup for Beijing? Where does it end? Tell me where it ends because I see no end in sight for the woke machine.

You may consider China virus a racist term in the American context, but in Asia, it's a term of defiance in a context where people actually have to worry about getting shot, disappeared, tortured, and harvested for their organs. Terms such as Wuhan coronavirus or Wuhan pneumonia enjoy widespread use in independent HK and Taiwanese media such as Apple Daily and Taiwan News. Are Taiwanese people racist for using such terms? Stop trying to cancel people over meaningless trivialities. I have as much right to hold you accountable for muzzling political dissidents in the East. I've been doing it for years and years with the long-disgraced radical Left over issues such as Islam. Betrayal is what the woke Left stands for as I explain in detail in the Syrian Civil War thread.

Also. not everyone lives in the United States. Stop forcing American domestic politics onto the rest of the world. You don't get to tell us what to do and you don't own the internet. This is what we call woke cultural imperialism. Your distinctly American brand of toxic divisiveness, intolerance, and outright violence of the woke BLM/Meghan Markle sort is not welcome here in Asia or even in Europe. You want to "hold me accountable" for something that's happening on the other side of the world over some posts on an obscure online forum? Good luck with that.

And for the record, I actually prefer CCP virus very strongly to Wuhan coronavirus or China virus, but, you know, the "misinformation rule" and all that.
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Postby Alfegos » Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:57 am

Someone linked this thread to me. Thanks.
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1 - Naming Conventions

In the medical field there has been a very, VERY strong move to rename conditions named after places, or after people. Eponyms are no longer considered appropriate, especially when those a condition are named after turn out to be utter bastards. Case in point - in the field of Rheumatology, there's a massive effort to rename diseases named after Nazi physicians - Wegener's Granulomatosis becoming Granulomatosis with Polyangiitis, Reiter's Syndrome becoming Reactive Arthritis. Asperger's syndrome has similarly fallen out of favour. But the terms are still used, very commonly, because of the vast body of medical literature, and medical professionals, who trained using those terms.

The same is true in the literature regarding diseases named after places. Unfortunately, their use in the public psyche is so widespread, and no replacements are forthcoming, that the names have stuck - Ebola, Japanese Encephalitis (plus a hundred or so various viral encephalitides). Where the commentators here are wrong are regarding "Spanish Flu (H1N1 1918) and "Hong Kong Flu" (H3N2 1968) - those old place names have fallen out of use in the medical field, but of course are so widespread (like Asperger's disease) that they haven't died out in older literature, professionals, and in the mind of the lay person. Just like Asperger's.

It's such a problem that the literature I've read since 2014 has extensively debated not naming syndromes and infectious diseases after place names, precisely because of this issue. Of course with COVID-19, there was a little delay as working out the problem at hand was a little more important than a naming committee, hence it being referred to in the literature by a variety of monikers (Novel Coronavirus disease, Wuhan Novel Coronavirus, etc.). I doubt that the CCP were the single and only dictating power in the naming, especially since the committee on naming were using guidelines developed prior to this crisis from the World Organisation for Animal Health (OIE) and the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO).

So you can ramp back on the paranoia. Call it want you want colloquially. Hell, call it "Chinese Global Murder Virus" in your own circle for all I care. But don't think that impartial, formal scientific literature will entertain getting involved in the local political spat.

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2 - Vaccine Paranoia

The amount of anti-vaccine misinformation propagated by anti-vaccine interest groups, alongside agencies and organisations seeking to undermine western societies, is extremely depressing. It's no wonder that some of the audience in this thread have not applied critical thinking skills. I would point you to key educational resources, but I suspect that they won't be read as "it's the evil government controlling us".

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavir ... s-vaccine/

The vaccines have side effects. Most probably do not remember the side effects of the vaccines they had as children - a little sore for a short while in the arm or buttock, and a low grade fever. That doesn't mean it's "making you ill", "killing you slowly" or whatever other stuff people have come up with.

None of the current vaccines in use in the UK/US are weakened or killed versions of SARS-COV-19. They either use mRNA that cells use to build inert segments of the virus's outer shell (gives your body a target without the risk of infection), or use an inert virus with pieces of SARS-COV-19 attached. All shown to be effective in preventing severe illness, with no serious side effects concerns as of yet raised with the 20+ million doses given to date in the UK. The only risk we've identified is a very small risk of anaphylaxis, similar to all medical interventions - hence why the UK is being extremely cautious with anyone who has previously had allergic reactions, and monitoring people medically for a period after the vaccine.

They do not cause Bell's palsy. They do not cause blood clots. They have undergone more rigorous testing than Paracetamol, Aspirin or Penicillin ever had.

I will await the next piece of misinformation with a sigh.

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Postby Dogmeat » Wed Mar 17, 2021 6:10 am

ImperialRussia wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:The mrna variants are *vaccines*.
Do you have any clue what you are talking about ?

Vaccines don’t work if there mutations in the old virus they become as deadly as the original the world really start updating new vaccines because this virus mutates much quicker than the flu virus

It does not. Coronaviruses mutate at only about 1/10th the rate of Influenza viruses. Because they have an internal mechanism to double-check their genetic code while reproducing.

If it appears to be mutating more often, it's only because of a larger pool of total infections, giving more opportunities to mutate. This will reduce as the number of cases reduces.

There is no doubt work being done right now on "updating" the vaccines, but this takes time, and the current vaccines are the best ones we have available. They are broadly effective, and very low-risk. Virtually the entire medical community has been vaccinated at this point, and they seem to be doing okay.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Mar 17, 2021 6:14 am

Juristonia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
So he shouldnt have said what he did?

Just because you want to hear something, doesn't mean it should be said.

What do you think happens if they say it will happen and then it doesn't?
They have to be careful with these things, cause once their credibility takes a hit, because they were premature, it gets very difficult for people to listen to them.

You have to give people hope. In Germany there is no plan other than lockdown and people are growing increasingly frustrated and defiant.

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