Metal Genre Music Discussion - Vol. 4

[Soviet Haaregrad]

I've never heard Sabaton, but I assume I can skip them?

Never heard Sabaton? What's wrong you. Check this shit out and tell me that ain't kickass.

That's full asiago and I can't exceed cheddar. Sorry.

[Ameriganastan]

Never heard Sabaton? What's wrong you. Check this shit out and tell me that ain't kickass.

That's full asiago and I can't exceed cheddar. Sorry.

Cheesy? It's not cheesy. It's awesome. You find me another kickass song about that crazy awesome Finnish sniper dude.

[Soviet Haaregrad]

That's full asiago and I can't exceed cheddar. Sorry.

Cheesy? It's not cheesy. It's awesome. You find me another kickass song about that crazy awesome Finnish sniper dude.

I appreciate that it's your thing but after giving a handful of songs a listen I can tell it's definitely not my thing. It's not gritty like Bolt Thrower (and Hurdergaryup's description seems spot-on in a lot of ways), it's like how a group of power metal fans would 'fix' Bolt Thrower, ruining everything that I like about them in the process. Needs less epic heroism and more bestial grimdark.

[Cadonica]

Power metal band sings about the same thing as a death metal band, therefore it's a "fix". Excellent logic right there. /s

I happen to love both bands, sue me posers.

[Soviet Haaregrad]

Power metal band sings about the same thing as a death metal band, therefore it's a "fix". Excellent logic right there. /s

I happen to love both bands, sue me posers.

Personally I wouldn't call Bolt Thrower part of either of those genres. They're pretty unique and kind of sit within the broader 'extreme metal' category without really falling into one of the standard subgenres.

I'm not saying it's literally 'a fix', that's silly. That said, if one liked Bolt Thrower's concept but wanted to sound like Iced Earth, they'd end up with something similar to Sabaton.

Now, go take a refreshing dip in Lake Minnetonka.

[Ameriganastan]

Uh-oh, Manson is in trouble. Of the MeToo variety.

[Soviet Haaregrad]

Having read accounts from people who had been close to him in the '90s, along with his autobiography none of this particularly surprises me. I'm worried to hear to more accounts of how he might of treated superfans of his over the years. A malicious narcissist with a cultishly dedicated fanbase seems like a bad combination.

[Hurdergaryp]

Cheesy? It's not cheesy. It's awesome. You find me another kickass song about that crazy awesome Finnish sniper dude.

I appreciate that it's your thing but after giving a handful of songs a listen I can tell it's definitely not my thing. It's not gritty like Bolt Thrower (and Hurdergaryp's description seems spot-on in a lot of ways), it's like how a group of power metal fans would 'fix' Bolt Thrower, ruining everything that I like about them in the process. Needs less epic heroism and more bestial grimdark.

Exactly. Less "Gee whiz, war sure is swell!" and more "It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, more vengeance, more desolation. War is hell.".

[Ameriganastan]

Apparently some dude named LG Petrov died. Lead singer for some death metal band called Entombed. I assume someone in here knows who that is.

[Impaled Nazarene]

RIP LG Petrov, blast some Left Hand Path In Memoriam.

[Impaled Nazarene]

I appreciate that it's your thing but after giving a handful of songs a listen I can tell it's definitely not my thing. It's not gritty like Bolt Thrower (and Hurdergaryp's description seems spot-on in a lot of ways), it's like how a group of power metal fans would 'fix' Bolt Thrower, ruining everything that I like about them in the process. Needs less epic heroism and more bestial grimdark.

Exactly. Less "Gee whiz, war sure is swell!" and more "It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, more vengeance, more desolation. War is hell.".

God Dethroned is in the latter category and it adds a lot to their music.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Check this shit out.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I appreciate that it's your thing but after giving a handful of songs a listen I can tell it's definitely not my thing.

Consider trying these:

Sabaton's cover of Twilight of the Thunder God by Amon Amarth.

Some of their older stuff like Panzerkampf, Rise of Evil, Nuclear Attack, Wolfpack, or Attero Dominatus. There's a noticeable between their pre-Carolus Rex stuff when compared to their post-Carolus Rex stuff.

There's also one of their more recent singles, Bismarck, which was so popular when it came out it had the band trending on YouTube. Which, for a Metal band, is pretty impressive seeing as how unfortunately non-mainstream Metal as a genre is.

But if all that isn't enough to change your mind, don't worry: your gulag sentence will be light.

[Impaled Nazarene]

I appreciate that it's your thing but after giving a handful of songs a listen I can tell it's definitely not my thing.

Consider trying these:

Sabaton's cover of Twilight of the Thunder God by Amon Amarth.

Some of their older stuff like Panzerkampf, Rise of Evil, Nuclear Attack, Wolfpack, or Attero Dominatus. There's a noticeable between their pre-Carolus Rex stuff when compared to their post-Carolus Rex stuff.

There's also one of their more recent singles, Bismarck, which was so popular when it came out it had the band trending on YouTube. Which, for a Metal band, is pretty impressive seeing as how unfortunately non-mainstream Metal as a genre is.

But if all that isn't enough to change your mind, don't worry: your gulag sentence will be light.

Everything made after track 7 on Carolus Rex has been trash or worse trash memes.

[Ameriganastan]

Check this shit out.

I love power metal, but that is terrible. Especially the singer.

[Dylar]

I think my favorite album that came out last year would have to be One by Stvore.

[Hurdergaryp]

Exactly. Less "Gee whiz, war sure is swell!" and more "It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, more vengeance, more desolation. War is hell.".

God Dethroned is in the latter category and it adds a lot to their music.

You might also like Hail of Bullets.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

"Gee whiz, war sure is swell!"

Yes, because this is clearly a romanticized and glorified account of war. Who wouldn't want to go through that, am I right? Glory and honor in battle, guys!

You know, come to think of it, I've never once seen a comment on any Sabaton video that glorified war. The bulk of them are history jokes, honoring the fallen/brave, noting how they learned a lot of history from listening to Sabaton, or paying respects to relatives who fought. Never once have I seen anyone say anything along the lines of "I want to go to war and earn honor and glory!" or anything like that.

But I guess there's just no pleasing people. Dudes getting shot in the head and a guy literally holding his own severed hand isn't "gritty" enough, I suppose. I mean, just look at these lyrics:

As the drum roll started on that day, heard a hundred miles away
A million shells were fired and the green fields turned to grey

The bombardment lasted all day long, yet the forts were standing strong
Heavily defended, now the trap has been sprung and the battle has begun

Descend into darkness
303 days below the sun

Fields of Verdun
And the battle has begun
Nowhere to run
Father and son
Fall one by one
Under the gun

Thy will be done
And the judgement has begun
Nowhere to run
Father and son
Fall one by one
Fields of Verdun

Though a million shells have scarred the land, no one has the upper hand
From the ground above to trenches, where the soldiers make their stand

As the trenches slowly turn to mud, and then quickly start to flood
Death awaits in every corner, as they die in the mud, fill the trenches with blood

Fields of execution turned to wasteland from the grass
Thou shalt go no further it was said they shall not pass
The spirit of resistance and the madness of the war
So...
Go ahead!
Face the led!
Join the dead!
Though you die!
Where you lie!
Never asking why!

I guess that's not "gritty" enough, for you? What do you need, severed heads on pikes or something? People getting their guts ripped out with bayonets? Some poor bastard getting swiss cheese'd by a machine gun? A vivid description of the effects of mustard gas? Just because something isn't gory or grimdark doesn't mean it's all sunshine and rainbows. They even give you the death toll at the end of the video, mentioning how it was one of the bloodiest battles of the war, and that it was the longest active battle in history. Which, in your mind, evidently translates to:

"Gee whiz, war sure is swell!"

Sabaton doesn't glorify war. The bulk of their songs honor the fallen and the brave. Defiance, sacrifice, heroism. They don't honor war itself but rather the people who fought it, specifically in the face of overwhelming odds or against some great evil (such as the Third Reich) while most of the time they try to take a neutral stance on the battles' participants.

But you'd know all of this if you had actually ever listened to a Sabaton song before instead of just dunking on them because they're popular and you don't understand why.

Consider trying these:

Sabaton's cover of Twilight of the Thunder God by Amon Amarth.

Some of their older stuff like Panzerkampf, Rise of Evil, Nuclear Attack, Wolfpack, or Attero Dominatus. There's a noticeable between their pre-Carolus Rex stuff when compared to their post-Carolus Rex stuff.

There's also one of their more recent singles, Bismarck, which was so popular when it came out it had the band trending on YouTube. Which, for a Metal band, is pretty impressive seeing as how unfortunately non-mainstream Metal as a genre is.

But if all that isn't enough to change your mind, don't worry: your gulag sentence will be light.

Everything made after track 7 on Carolus Rex has been trash or worse trash memes.

Check this shit out.

I love power metal, but that is terrible. Especially the singer.

Lot of haters in this thread. I guess it's just not possible for some people to suck it up and simply say "meh, didn't like it/not my thing" and move on.

[Ameriganastan]

Lot of haters in this thread. I guess it's just not possible for some people to suck it up and simply say "meh, didn't like it/not my thing" and move on.

Hey, sparky. It's a public forum. If you can't handle people not liking stuff you post, that's a you problem.

[Calimama]

Just curious Ameri, any of these your thing?

[Ameriganastan]

Just curious Ameri, any of these your thing?

Not really, no. Too slow for my tastes. I like that bombastic stuff. I wanna hear the guitars wail, the drums get loud and the singer scream. Stuff like Enforcer, Iron Savior, Judas Priest and the like.

[Calimama]

Just curious Ameri, any of these your thing?

Not really, no. Too slow for my tastes. I like that bombastic stuff. I wanna hear the guitars wail, the drums get loud and the singer scream. Stuff like Enforcer, Iron Savior, Judas Priest and the like.

Hmm, I have some shit that's similarish, but still probably not your thing.

Crimson Glory - Valhalla
Angel Witch - Angel Witch
Hell - The Quest
Helstar - Baptized In Blood
Warlock - All We Are
Overkill - I Hate
Riot - Thundersteel
Mercyful Fate - A Dangerous Meeting

[Blakk Metal]

Consider trying these:

Sabaton's cover of Twilight of the Thunder God by Amon Amarth.

Some of their older stuff like Panzerkampf, Rise of Evil, Nuclear Attack, Wolfpack, or Attero Dominatus. There's a noticeable between their pre-Carolus Rex stuff when compared to their post-Carolus Rex stuff.

There's also one of their more recent singles, Bismarck, which was so popular when it came out it had the band trending on YouTube. Which, for a Metal band, is pretty impressive seeing as how unfortunately non-mainstream Metal as a genre is.

But if all that isn't enough to change your mind, don't worry: your gulag sentence will be light.

Everything made after track 7 on Carolus Rex has been trash or worse trash memes.

That seems like an arbitrary line.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Everything made after track 7 on Carolus Rex has been trash or worse trash memes.

That seems like an arbitrary line.

Killing Ground is just a worse Gott Mit Uns and the last 3 songs are the weakest on the album. After the song Carolus Rex Sabaton took a turn into mediocrity. They're glorified meme soundbites.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Was off metal a bit for half a year or so as I was looking for more chill music to suit working from home, but felt the call back to it a few weeks ago.

Currently digging the following...

"Anachron" - Anael
"Entitlement" - Moonspell
"She's Buried Under The Cherry Blossoms" - Saidan
"Change" - Dolores