American Politics IV: 1400 Reasons Why(A Stimulus Serial)

[Dresderstan]

If my grandfather, who was a coal miner heard that he'd be pissed.

It's better to be angry than poor and uneducated as a country.

How fucking offensive.

[San Lumen]

A debate isn’t simply yes or no. What is your reason for opposing RCV?

It's not proportional to the votes of the country.

And in ranked choice no ones voted is wasted. Why is proportionately so important? In rcv if people wanted the green or libertarian candidate they can vote for them and not waste their votes. Who knows they might even win an election they wouldn’t under fptp.

No one can without a majority in rcv and isn’t that your whole issue? Rcv solves that.

[Sundiata]

Not just tell them, we should actively spend tax-payer money on it and make access to this information and skill-set free.

Oh my fucking god you're serious. Well, good luck with the backlash.

We shouldn't cater to the whims of luddites.

[Neanderthaland]

Let me guess, you are going to tell coal miners and factory workers to "learn to code"? It's not like it backfired or something.

If my grandfather, who was a coal miner heard that he'd be pissed.

This is a profession that is widely known to be both terrible for the environment, and terrible for the health of the people who do it. And whose only virtue is that it doesn't require a lot of education.

Let's maybe not hold this up as the gold standard for which workers should aspire?

[Sundiata]

It's better to be angry than poor and uneducated as a country.

How fucking offensive.

Really? Why are you so resistant to change? Other than an appeal to tradition.

[San Lumen]

Oh my fucking god you're serious. Well, good luck with the backlash.

We shouldn't cater to the whims of luddites.

Coal mining is a dying industry not to mention the environmental damage it does.

[Sundiata]

We shouldn't cater to the whims of luddites.

Coal mining is a dying industry not to mention the environmental damage it does.

And thank God it's dying.

[Dresderstan]

It's not proportional to the votes of the country.

And in ranked choice no ones voted is wasted. Why is proportionately so important? In rcv if people wanted the green or libertarian candidate they can vote for them and not waste their votes. Who knows they might even win an election they wouldn’t under fptp.

No one can without a majority in rcv and isn’t that your whole issue? Rcv solves that.

Neither is in a PR system, a vote is never wasted.

Pah no they won't, the top two will always be Dem and Rep, especially with the propaganda and fearmongering about "coalition" it's why the two parties need to be broken up, no more big tent bullshit parties.

Neither can one in a PR system.

[Dresderstan]

Oh my fucking god you're serious. Well, good luck with the backlash.

We shouldn't cater to the whims of luddites.

We shouldn't care to the whims of people who think they know better than the people like you seem to think so.

[Dresderstan]

How fucking offensive.

Really? Why are you so resistant to change? Other than an appeal to tradition.

Twist my words why don't you buddy.

[San Lumen]

And in ranked choice no ones voted is wasted. Why is proportionately so important? In rcv if people wanted the green or libertarian candidate they can vote for them and not waste their votes. Who knows they might even win an election they wouldn’t under fptp.

No one can without a majority in rcv and isn’t that your whole issue? Rcv solves that.

Neither is in a PR system, a vote is never wasted.

Pah no they won't, the top two will always be Dem and Rep, especially with the propaganda and fearmongering about "coalition" it's why the two parties need to be broken up, no more big tent bullshit parties.

Neither can one in a PR system.

You don’t know that. Stop making generalizations.

You also can’t legally break up a political party. It would be unconstitutional.

[Dresderstan]

Neither is in a PR system, a vote is never wasted.

Pah no they won't, the top two will always be Dem and Rep, especially with the propaganda and fearmongering about "coalition" it's why the two parties need to be broken up, no more big tent bullshit parties.

Neither can one in a PR system.

You don’t know that. Stop making generalizations.

You also can’t legally break up a political party. It would be unconstitutional.

And you do?

Hasn't stopped the two parties from violating the constitution so many times before.

[Neanderthaland]

We shouldn't cater to the whims of luddites.

Coal mining is a dying industry not to mention the environmental damage it does.

And when we've given subsidies to the coal mining industry, it hasn't brought coal mining jobs back. Gone are the days where men actually went into coal mines. These days they just dig up the whole mountain with enormous machines, and you only need a few people to do that.

The only thing the subsidies do is directly increase the company's profits while not trickling down to the employees at all.

[Sundiata]

We shouldn't cater to the whims of luddites.

We shouldn't care to the whims of people who think they know better than the people like you seem to think so.

Oh here it goes again. It's not elitist to pay for poor people's educations with my tax dollars. The coal mines aren't coming back.

We should make it easier to educate people instead of leaving them poor and uneducated.

[San Lumen]

You don’t know that. Stop making generalizations.

You also can’t legally break up a political party. It would be unconstitutional.

And you do?

Hasn't stopped the two parties from violating the constitution so many times before.

Not an expert on every election in every city with it. Your way is not the only solution.

RCV allows for third parties to win. You simply don’t like your desired outcome isn’t always produced.

Also do you acknowledge the environmental damage coal mining does?

[Picairn]

We shouldn't cater to the whims of luddites.

This gives off big condescension energy. You are essentially telling adult to middle-aged workers to learn coding and compete against freshly out-of-college youngsters who had 4 years of studying beforehand. Maybe transition them to the green energy sector instead, and expand public works.

[Dresderstan]

We shouldn't care to the whims of people who think they know better than the people like you seem to think so.

Oh here it goes again. It's not elitist to pay for poor people's educations with my tax dollars. The coal mines aren't coming back.

It's elitist to pay for champagne, caviar and have it all on one's yacht while people millions starve and struggle with homelessness.

[Dresderstan]

And you do?

Hasn't stopped the two parties from violating the constitution so many times before.

Not an expert on every election in every city with it. Your way is not the only solution.

RCV allows for third parties to win. You simply don’t like your desired outcome isn’t always produced.

Also do you acknowledge the environmental damage coal mining does?

It's a far better solution.

Because it doesn't work.

Let me put it to you this way, Knox Mine disaster.

[Sundiata]

We shouldn't cater to the whims of luddites.

This gives off big condescension energy. You are essentially telling adult to middle-aged workers to learn coding and compete against freshly out-of-college youngsters who had 4 years of studying beforehand. Maybe transition them to the green energy sector instead, and expand public works.

We can do that too, I don't mind. I'm not being condescending or elitist.

[Tsaivao]

You also can’t legally break up a political party. It would be unconstitutional.

Just gonna sidestep in here and say that the constitution doesn't even mention political parties, so it's certainly not going to have any constitutionality associated with making or breaking apart a political party.

[Dresderstan]

This gives off big condescension energy. You are essentially telling adult to middle-aged workers to learn coding and compete against freshly out-of-college youngsters who had 4 years of studying beforehand. Maybe transition them to the green energy sector instead, and expand public works.

We can do that too, I don't mind. I'm not being condescending or elitist.

Except you are when you said "just have them do coding lol"

[Kowani]

You also can’t legally break up a political party. It would be unconstitutional.

Just gonna sidestep in here and say that the constitution doesn't even mention political parties, so it's certainly not going to have any constitutionality associated with making or breaking apart a political party.

freedom of association, first amendment

[Neanderthaland]

Look guys. If working in a mail center payed enough that you could support your family on it, then men with little education wouldn't be drawn towards jobs like coal mining in the first place.

Instead of holding up a (literally) toxic industry as a sort of model to be aspired to, let's make it so that workers don't have to risk their health to make a decent wage.

[Kowani]

Lobbying firm run by the brother of White House counselor Steve Ricchetti is being hired by the company behind the Keystone Pipeline

[San Lumen]

Not an expert on every election in every city with it. Your way is not the only solution.

RCV allows for third parties to win. You simply don’t like your desired outcome isn’t always produced.

Also do you acknowledge the environmental damage coal mining does?

It's a far better solution.

Because it doesn't work.

Let me put it to you this way, Knox Mine disaster.

How is it better?

How does it not work?

So you do acknowledge it and that the industry needs to disappear?