Odreria wrote:The problem is the dems don't actually care that Manchin blocks their legislation. If they actually wanted to pass their agenda they wouldn't have intentionally thrown so many senate races
How did they throw races?
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by San Lumen » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:10 am
Odreria wrote:The problem is the dems don't actually care that Manchin blocks their legislation. If they actually wanted to pass their agenda they wouldn't have intentionally thrown so many senate races
by Dresderstan » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:14 am
Odreria wrote:The problem is the dems don't actually care that Manchin blocks their legislation. If they actually wanted to pass their agenda they wouldn't have intentionally thrown so many senate races
by A-Series-Of-Tubes » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:14 am
Major-Tom wrote:Ifreann wrote:So Manchin now runs America. Nothing can happen that he does not sign off on.
By sheer unfortunate circumstance, sure, you could make that argument.
It's a double-edged sword, if he gets primaried out, we lose that seat or he switches parties and loses us the majority. If we try to keep it as is, he'll keep hindering many portions of the agenda. Oh well.
by Saiwania » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:14 am
by San Lumen » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:15 am
A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:Major-Tom wrote:
By sheer unfortunate circumstance, sure, you could make that argument.
It's a double-edged sword, if he gets primaried out, we lose that seat or he switches parties and loses us the majority. If we try to keep it as is, he'll keep hindering many portions of the agenda. Oh well.
The one-seat majority is pretty rare. It gives literally every Democrat Senator the same power, but as the most right-wing Democrat Manchin thinks it's his duty to keep a lid on the lefties.
Currently Manchin can break a Democrat bill just by abstaining. That's 49-50 and doesn't activate the VP's tiebreaker. However if one Republican were to die, then at least for a while Manchin would have to vote against his party to stop a bill.
Senators don't die that often. Since 2000 there's been about 1 every 3 years. Half that rate for just Republicans.
by Odreria » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:15 am
Valrifell wrote:
Disregard whatever this poster says
by Thermodolia » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:16 am
by Dresderstan » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:16 am
Thermodolia wrote:San Lumen wrote:
How did they throw races?
Well in NC they went with the White moderate male over the black progressive female, which is usually odd cause they love IdPol but because she was progressive that just wouldn’t do.
The guy the DNC and State Dems supported would go on to lose one of the easiest elections to win
by Thermodolia » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:18 am
Dresderstan wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Well in NC they went with the White moderate male over the black progressive female, which is usually odd cause they love IdPol but because she was progressive that just wouldn’t do.
The guy the DNC and State Dems supported would go on to lose one of the easiest elections to win
Doesn't help the guy was having an affair.
by San Lumen » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:19 am
Dresderstan wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Well in NC they went with the White moderate male over the black progressive female, which is usually odd cause they love IdPol but because she was progressive that just wouldn’t do.
The guy the DNC and State Dems supported would go on to lose one of the easiest elections to win
Doesn't help the guy was having an affair.
by Odreria » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:20 am
Valrifell wrote:
Disregard whatever this poster says
by Dresderstan » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:20 am
San Lumen wrote:Dresderstan wrote:Doesn't help the guy was having an affair.
It should have been kept quiet. In Europe people don't care about those things. The First Lady of France had an affair with a model in New York several years ago and divorced the President shortly after he was elected and few cared.
by Odreria » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:21 am
Valrifell wrote:
Disregard whatever this poster says
by San Lumen » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:23 am
Dresderstan wrote:San Lumen wrote:
It should have been kept quiet. In Europe people don't care about those things. The First Lady of France had an affair with a model in New York several years ago and divorced the President shortly after he was elected and few cared.
Well we're not France, so boo hoo.
by Dresderstan » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:24 am
by Thermodolia » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:24 am
San Lumen wrote:Dresderstan wrote:Doesn't help the guy was having an affair.
It should have been kept quiet. In Europe people don't care about those things. The First Lady of France had an affair with a model in New York several years ago and divorced the President shortly after he was elected and few cared.
by A-Series-Of-Tubes » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:25 am
Punished UMN wrote:San Lumen wrote:
I still think it should have been kept quiet. it was no ones business. The First Lady of France a number of years ago had an affair with a model in New York and few in the country gave a darn.
"True information should be suppressed because it might hurt us politically"
hmmm
by Thermodolia » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:25 am
by San Lumen » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:26 am
Thermodolia wrote:San Lumen wrote:
It should have been kept quiet. In Europe people don't care about those things. The First Lady of France had an affair with a model in New York several years ago and divorced the President shortly after he was elected and few cared.
Because literally everyone in France has a mistress. Also France doesn’t care about sex all that much considering they where literally the first nation to legalize homosexual activities.
But the rest of Europe very much does care about infidelity. Like all of Eastern Europe, Germany, and especially the UK. The UK cares about it so much that they forced one of their monarchs to abdicate because he married an American double divorcee
by Odreria » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:28 am
San Lumen wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Because literally everyone in France has a mistress. Also France doesn’t care about sex all that much considering they where literally the first nation to legalize homosexual activities.
But the rest of Europe very much does care about infidelity. Like all of Eastern Europe, Germany, and especially the UK. The UK cares about it so much that they forced one of their monarchs to abdicate because he married an American double divorcee
That was decades ago.
Valrifell wrote:
Disregard whatever this poster says
by Thermodolia » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:28 am
A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
SL didn't say that. Actually rather the opposite: "keeping it quiet" requires that both political sides not raise it. That's passing up a chance at political advantage because "moral failings" of a sexual nature really shouldn't be a factor.
It really shouldn't be a requirement for office that a person be married. Strictly speaking its not, but it clearly biases the voters and on election night there they are, total stranger who has nothing to do with politics, hugging and kissing the winner. In a perfect world, someone better looking who is probably an escort, could be there instead.
by A-Series-Of-Tubes » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:29 am
San Lumen wrote:Dresderstan wrote:Doesn't help the guy was having an affair.
It should have been kept quiet. In Europe people don't care about those things. The First Lady of France had an affair with a model in New York several years ago and divorced the President shortly after he was elected and few cared.
by San Lumen » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:29 am
by Thermodolia » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:31 am
San Lumen wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Because literally everyone in France has a mistress. Also France doesn’t care about sex all that much considering they where literally the first nation to legalize homosexual activities.
But the rest of Europe very much does care about infidelity. Like all of Eastern Europe, Germany, and especially the UK. The UK cares about it so much that they forced one of their monarchs to abdicate because he married an American double divorcee
That was decades ago.
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